[Callace]

Buffy is clearly the best show ever put on air, and some of the reason for that is its extensive and extraordinary mythology, which makes living in the buffyverse a really unique experience.

there is, however, scenes where flaws and inconsistancies in the mythology drags me out of the story, and has me just wondering how great the scene would have been if right, and getting really annoyed over the flaw. If anyone feels the same way, I would like you to post your most annoying flaws, and how you would have liked to fix it.

to get started, here are a few of mine, for the occation chosen from the field of vampire biology: (and please dont mind my poor english)

when she was bad I didnt see season one (never bothered, since I heard it was bad, and theres no Spike in it )but it strikes me as quite odd that the Master has a skeleton corpse, not just dust. He is a more ancient, more "vampified" vampire than any other, why is he then more human in death?

I also find it odd that the vampires get burnt from digging him up at the cemetary. cemetaries are vampires`favorite place right. most of them dig their way out of their own grave. it is then a ridiculus notion that it should burn them.

fix Dont really think there is one. the entire ep was built around that skeleton. they should have found a different plot, and put the good things, for instance the high quality Bangel-stuff, in the alternative plot instead. (anyone who wants to may consider this an invite to restorative fanfic )


Suprise in the teaser, Buffy woories that Dru may not be dead, because "we never saw her body" some of the same thing. Hello! Dead vampires dont leave bodies. the slayer ought to know that! I cant believe that line went past Joss`s censorship, or that Sarah didnt object to it.

fix how about the line "did any one of you actually dust her?"


Shadow confrontation between Riley and Spike. Riley holds Spike into the sunlight for several seconds, without even a sizzle.

fix ideally I would have preferred full facial burn-make up, but I realize this is too much to ask. I do how ever blame Special Effects for not at least adding some smoke.

Bring on the Night The First drowning Spike. Vampires dont breathe. but still he clearly does in that scene. that puts me out of an otherways really well played and powerful scene. I end up feeling sorry for James being drowned, but is way to aware that there is no vampire in it.

fix could it be holy water? I imagine that would be far more difficult to act, being burnt rather than choked in that scene, but it would have been great!

[Scythe]

The fact that the Master's bones didn't dust could've been explained by the idea that if a Vampire is really old, they don't turn to dust. The Master was old enough to have "grown beyond the curse of human features". However, Kakistos from 'Faith, Hope & Trick' was said to be very old, but he dusted.

[Callace]

Originally Posted by Scythe (View Post) The fact that the Master's bones didn't dust could've been explained by the idea that if a Vampire is really old, they don't turn to dust. The Master was old enough to have "grown beyond the curse of human features". However, Kakistos from 'Faith, Hope & Trick' was said to be very old, but he dusted.

that is my point! he has "grown beyond the curse of human features". a skeleton is to my mind a human feature. dust is not

[Scythe]

I think that when they say features, they only mean the facial features.

[wilywiccan]

I like the idea of this thread. I'll probably think of a few things that bugged me.

The reason that the vampires were burnt when they tried to dig up the Master's bones was that Giles, Willow, & Xander did a ritual and put holy water over the dirt.

I don't really see a skeleton as a human feature. I mean, most animals have sketelons. Even dinasours. And most demons didn't go poof when Buffy slayed them.

[Jaime Bee]

Spike may not breathe but still that would be torture for him. He still has lungs and it would get stuck in there.

[Callace]

Originally Posted by Jaime Bee (View Post) Spike may not breathe but still that would be torture for him. He still has lungs and it would get stuck in there.

then that idiot ought to keep his mouth shut if not breathing most of us can keep our head under water without getting our lungs filled.

[Callace]

Originally Posted by wilywiccan (View Post) I like the idea of this thread. I'll probably think of a few things that bugged me. The reason that the vampires were burnt when they tried to dig up the Master's bones was that Giles, Willow, & Xander did a ritual and put holy water over the dirt. I don't really see a skeleton as a human feature. I mean, most animals have sketelons. Even dinasours. And most demons didn't go poof when Buffy slayed them.

not specifically human, but it is certainly a relic of a living creature. vampires dust. thats one of their standard features. If someone was meant to be more vampish than a normal vampire, I cannot understand why he would have this more-close-to-the-living-feature. I cant help feeling that progressing his vampireism must rather make him go to finer dust. I could have lived with it a little easier if he was some hybrid with a different species of demon, which didnt dust. but I wouldnt have liked that either, since it would have messed up the speciation of demons


thanks for the ritual-info though. that explains alot!

[flagpolesitta43]

The First drowning Spike. Vampires dont breathe. but still he clearly does in that scene.

Do you have any idea how long that has bothered me! lol This thread was a great idea, now I have a reason to go back and watch my DVDs.

[Callace]

Originally Posted by flagpolesitta43 (View Post) Do you have any idea how long that has bothered me! lol This thread was a great idea, now I have a reason to go back and watch my DVDs.

wonderful to know Im not alone in that!! I was starting to think I was

[Callace]

here comes the next load of my frustrations. (with hopes to get yours soon)

becoming p2 Buffy "killing" Angel.

First (they seem to have an annoyingly hard time getting this) killed vampires DUST. He didnt.

second. the ways to kill vampires (as I believe was said in The Harvest) is stakes, sunlight or decapitation. Holy water and crosses works too, when getting the vamp very much exposed to it. Sword to the belly could not do the trick

fix make it a stake. or aim for his head.


theres also a comment by Willow, in I dont remember which ep. that bugged me in the way of giving the impression (confirmed by DVDcommentary on that ep) that the writer didnt really get vampires. she asked Angel "how do you shave" upon not seeing him in a mirror. writer said he put that in because that was something he wondered about. I could have answered! Dead men dont have hair growth!!


Fool For Love when we see how Spike got his scar. Vampires are fast healers. why did just that cut never heal? I feel an annoying lack of explaination of that.

fix how about a threat from the chinese slayer that she has an enchanted sword, which revokes fasthealing for the places it slices?


generally: how long does it really take for a sired vamp to resurrect? it seem to sometimes happen instantly, other times not before the body is buried.

InAfterlife Spike says (or at least clearly indicates) that he has dug his way out of the grave, just like buffy has. But in Lies my Parents Told Me he comes back to his mum after being sired, and she doesnt know hes (un)dead. then there surely could have been no funeral??

fix have her be shocked at seeing him "alive" instead.

[Scythe]

The smoking could be explained by the idea that vampires can simulate breathing when they want to.

I also think that perhaps when vampire's aren't thinking about it, they may breathe even though they don't need to. Spike always breathed deeply when he was worked up about something.

[Callace]

Originally Posted by Scythe (View Post) The smoking could be explained by the idea that vampires can simulate breathing when they want to. I also think that perhaps when vampire's aren't thinking about it, they may breathe even though they don't need to. Spike always breathed deeply when he was worked up about something.

Yes. that is right. voluntary breathing by vampires is ok. thats just like them eating just for the feel of it, even thought they are now unable to digest anything but blood.

I cant see anybody else here thinking vampire smoking or stress-breathing is a problem either.

[Scythe]

theres also a comment by Willow, in I dont remember which ep. that bugged me in the way of giving the impression (confirmed by DVDcommentary on that ep) that the writer didnt really get vampires. she asked Angel "how do you shave" upon not seeing him in a mirror. writer said he put that in because that was something he wondered about. I could have answered! Dead men dont have hair growth!!

But Spike's hair was long in Lessons... maybe Vampire's just can't grow beards.

[Callace]

Originally Posted by Scythe (View Post) But Spike's hair was long in Lessons... maybe Vampire's just can't grow beards.

It was? I didnt notice that.in that case, count that as a flaw too