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Old 05-17-2018, 11:22 AM
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Completely agree and I know that people will say that Willow's season 3 vampire doppelganger being attracted to girl was foreshadowing to Willow... which as you mentioned was not true since Vamp!Willow main love was a man in Xander.

No one fault that the writers didn't know how to write it perfectly.

I agree with you.
Willow was very much in love with Oz and it took her a very long time to get over him. She cried when he left and was depressed for a few months. She even lashed out at one time for no one understanding her pain. And I think that's why Tara came in at the first time because Tara did listen to her feelings and they connected through their witch craft.

URG! I never knew about that commentary. I really dislike hearing that.

Despite what Angel was about to say in Doppelgangland about your vamp side not being far away from your human self, I still think there was a huge difference between Vamp!Willow's preference for girls She hated Oz and the "white hats", whereas the real Willow adored him.


I still don't think that people would be labeling Willow as a lesbian, if they hadn't introduced Kennedy for her in Season 7. Willow never had any sexual problems in her relationship with Oz. Plus, her last conversation with Oz was clearly foreshadowing a romantic future for them that was still possible.


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That's what my issue definitely was that Willow labeled herself as a lesbian and had no attraction to men at all anymore.
Bisexual route would have been way better for me.

I don't see the magic addiction with Oz around as well.

It's as if they purposefully avoided the bisexual route in the end, to try and make the audiences forget about Seth.


The magic addiction seemed to be tied to when Willow saved Tara's mind from Glory's thrall, so I definitely think a lot of the unhealthy behavior with it in Season 6 related to how much she had exerted herself in her attempts to save Tara's life and that's why I always hated how Tara turned against Willow in Season 6. It just seemed really ungrateful.


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Old 05-20-2018, 01:10 PM
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Aww, that pic is adorable

.....too bad it wasn't in the actual scene
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I still don't think that people would be labeling Willow as a lesbian, if they hadn't introduced Kennedy for her in Season 7. Willow never had any sexual problems in her relationship with Oz. Plus, her last conversation with Oz was clearly foreshadowing a romantic future for them that was still possible.

It's as if they purposefully avoided the bisexual route in the end, to try and make the audiences forget about Seth.


The magic addiction seemed to be tied to when Willow saved Tara's mind from Glory's thrall, so I definitely think a lot of the unhealthy behavior with it in Season 6 related to how much she had exerted herself in her attempts to save Tara's life and that's why I always hated how Tara turned against Willow in Season 6. It just seemed really ungrateful.
This is why Willow is more appropriately labeled as bisexual than a lesbian. I understand other people's frustration on the subject.

I'm not sure about that. It might've been possible that Seth was busy at the time.

I feel differently there. I hated how Willow decided to do the same thing to Tara after what has happened with Glory, so I understand Tara.

Cute pic. I love how he kisses her hand and looks at her while she adores it.
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This is why Willow is more appropriately labeled as bisexual than a lesbian. I understand other people's frustration on the subject.

I'm not sure about that. It might've been possible that Seth was busy at the time.

I feel differently there. I hated how Willow decided to do the same thing to Tara after what has happened with Glory, so I understand Tara.

Cute pic. I love how he kisses her hand and looks at her while she adores it.
I thought her addiction to magic had more to do with/stemmed from raising Buffy back from the dead

yeah I really didn't like how Willow treated Tara in S6
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I thought her addiction to magic had more to do with/stemmed from raising Buffy back from the dead

That, too But I think the addiction originated when Willow finds out that Glory took advantage of Tara and she goes to visit Glory completely enraged. They talk about it in Season 5 finale - Willow using magics beyond her control to bring back Tara to normality. So, I think she was already addicted to magic before the resurrection spell on Buffy. That's the sad thing, to me - the group gave Willow hell for the way he addiction got out of control, but they never consider the fact that her addiction started by trying to help her loved ones.


Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that Willow's magic got out of control when Oz left. I think that was the catalyst. She missed him terribly.


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I loved when Willow became addicted to magic then turned evil towards the end of the season (one of the only things I like about S6) but I do agree Oz was the catalyst of it. She almost cast a revenge spell against him when she found out about him and Veruca, but didn't go through with it. Then when he left she cast that spell to make her feel nothing but it affected everyone else.
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I loved when Willow became addicted to magic then turned evil towards the end of the season (one of the only things I like about S6) but I do agree Oz was the catalyst of it. She almost cast a revenge spell against him when she found out about him and Veruca, but didn't go through with it.

Yes (ugh, Veruca ) and it just seemed like everything went downhill when Oz left town.


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I loved 'Seeing Blue'
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That, too But I think the addiction originated when Willow finds out that Glory took advantage of Tara and she goes to visit Glory completely enraged. They talk about it in Season 5 finale - Willow using magics beyond her control to bring back Tara to normality. So, I think she was already addicted to magic before the resurrection spell on Buffy. That's the sad thing, to me - the group gave Willow hell for the way he addiction got out of control, but they never consider the fact that her addiction started by trying to help her loved ones.
That's widely considered to be the start of it. There are a few that have theorized that she started at least looking into the darker things going all the way back to Season 3, but it really began to hit off during the latter half of Season 5
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That's widely considered to be the start of it. There are a few that have theorized that she started at least looking into the darker things going all the way back to Season 3, but it really began to hit off during the latter half of Season 5

I think it built up slowly


Giles broke my heart when he said


I thought if ANYONE would understand her, it would be him.


Giles saw how devastated Willow was when Oz left. He spoke to her about it in 'Seeing Blue', yet he goes crazy at her for bringing Buffy back.


Was it reckless? Yes, but she did it for something GOOD.
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tbh I was more on Giles's side

she was getting pretty careless/reckless with her magic
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I still don't think that people would be labeling Willow as a lesbian, if they hadn't introduced Kennedy for her in Season 7. Willow never had any sexual problems in her relationship with Oz. Plus, her last conversation with Oz was clearly foreshadowing a romantic future for them that was still possible.


It's as if they purposefully avoided the bisexual route in the end, to try and make the audiences forget about Seth.


The magic addiction seemed to be tied to when Willow saved Tara's mind from Glory's thrall, so I definitely think a lot of the unhealthy behavior with it in Season 6 related to how much she had exerted herself in her attempts to save Tara's life and that's why I always hated how Tara turned against Willow in Season 6. It just seemed really ungrateful.
Agreed and to many that's labeled as Willow's worst romance because it didn't need to happen. It felt like by the end of season 5 they finally decided that Willow never could be attracted to men anymore... and of course it didn't make sense because it wasn't done correctly for me...

Willow was never a woman to struggle with her sexuality or anything and she wasn't attracted to any women before Tara... so it was ridiculous.

Well I didn't forget about Seth/Oz so it didn't work.

Willow became addicted to magic when she brought Buffy back from the dead. That's the moment that changed her and made her realize how powerful she can be... it's why even Giles was so against it because he knew how bad that was and of course that's when Tara slowly started to see her change.
I couldn't blame Tara there because her addiction with magic went so overboard that she started using it on her. After what Glory did to her mind, I never could understand how Willow could do that to Tara if she truly loved her and not just ONCE, she played with Tara's mind MANY times.... that's just not right or healthy.

She almost got Dawn killed in a car crash...

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This is why Willow is more appropriately labeled as bisexual than a lesbian. I understand other people's frustration on the subject.


I feel differently there. I hated how Willow decided to do the same thing to Tara after what has happened with Glory, so I understand Tara.
I completely agree!

I'm with you, I was against Willow during the whole storyline. Season 6 was a horrible season for Willow. She became unrecognizable.


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tbh I was more on Giles's side

she was getting pretty careless/reckless with her magic


Yup... it's great that Buffy was back alive but Buffy died...
Bringing someone back from the dead is really not suppose to be a good thing, that's taking it a huge far over....

It's basically like when Dawn was going to bring Joyce back from the dead, we heard how wrong it was for Dawn to do it because Joyce could've came back different.

Buffy was in heaven and got thrown out of there because of her friends...
Be honest, I never understood why Buffy friends thought she'd be in hell... it's not like she did anything that bad right? lol
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I'm in mid S5 in my rewatch but I agree Willow was out of control with her magic in S6. I also agree her making Tara forget their fight and other things was extremely disturbing. I understood Giles being mad, usually bringing someone back from the dead is bad, they come back all screwed up and not themselves obviously (and that happened with Buffy in some ways, mostly having that abusive sexual relationship with Spike. If she wasn't so depressed and lost over dying and coming back, she wouldn't of touched him) S6 is my least favorite season but I do look forward to seeing Willow's addiction to magic then her turning evil. Who would of thought little ol' shy meek Willow would turn into such a savage, powerful, badass witch?
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tbh I was more on Giles's side

she was getting pretty careless/reckless with her magic

I think there were more delicate ways he could have handled the topic, though. Willow even reminds him of his nasty attitude towards her, when she turns bad later in the season. The things he said to her in that scene are personal attacks, just uncalled for in my opinion


Plus, he had no right to judge her. She did what she felt she had to do. She thought Buffy was suffering in hell because of her sacrifice for their lives.


I personally thought Giles went crazy at Willow out of guilt, because he was too concerned with his departure to pay attention to what was going on with them


Willow basically put her life on the line for Buffy's sister and the whole group countless times, and she was never thanked for it





Oz wouldn't have let things go on as long as they did. Remember how he reacted in Season 3 when it was a choice between the Mayor's box or Willow's life?


He smashes the ornament against the wall to let the group know: It's Willow's life; no second option.


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I loved how while they were arguing, Oz didn't say a word and just smashed the pot lol.
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