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**Burning Up A Sun** · 10-08-2009, 06:28 PM

Puck needs more scene.

Yeah I don't know why they aren't giving them scenes.

Maybe in the upcoming episodes. I hate Will/Emma. I honestly can't stand them. WTF? He's married Emma... challenging his wife? She's not good enough for him? You're pining away for a married man. Pathetic much? I feel horrible for Ken.

chemistry86 · 10-08-2009, 06:40 PM

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Puck needs more scene.

Yeah I don't know why they aren't giving them scenes.

Maybe in the upcoming episodes. I hate Will/Emma. I honestly can't stand them. WTF? He's married Emma... challenging his wife? She's not good enough for him? You're pining away for a married man. Pathetic much? I feel horrible for Ken.

I have a real love affair with badboys on TV.

I have faith Puck gets some airtime in the later parts.

I don't get why they didn't give us scenes either and their the only couple I ship.

Seriously their SO terrible. I couldn't believe Emma told Terri that she's not good enough for Will? I honestly don't know how she came to this conclusion. It come off like she was a jealous bitch. And she should feel embarassed since for all she knows Terri is pregnant.

**Burning Up A Sun** · 10-08-2009, 06:53 PM

I love bad boys but every now and then I'll like the good ones.

Just depends I guess. But I want more Puck for sure. And I would really like to see more of Quinn... right now she's very 2D for me.

I would probably ship them if they had more scenes.

I can't believe Emma told Terri that. I guess she figured she doesn't love Will or something shiz. Yeah okay and you do Emma? Terri was right. You see him like 30 minutes out of the day and you think you know him better than his wife?

Urgh!!!!!!!!

I don't understand what she's thinking. Terri is pregnant (to her at least). You don't mess with that.

chemistry86 · 10-08-2009, 07:06 PM

I agree about Quinn, it pains me that the show spends so much time on Rachel, Finn and Will that the other characters don't have depth. Funny enough, Will gets a lot of airtime but I think he's still 2-D, lol. I think Puck is still 2-D as well unfortunately. But I feel they did this because they wanted people to root for Rachel and Finn as a couple so they made Quinn and Puck 2-D. That way people would want RF together instead of feeling sorry for Quinn or something. Notice how Kurt is some what 3-D and he's had even less airtime than Quinn...it's because he's not involved in the love-square. That's why I want them to hurry up and hook up RF so they'll stop making my favorites look bad and develop them as characters

IKR? Emma knows nothing about Will except his involvement in the Glee club since that's all they talk about and this makes her an expert on him enough to know that his wife is not good for him? I don't even care about Terri but the last episode made me ship her with Will based on my principles

Plus, Emma's behavior is neurotic and I don't know how she can make it work with anyone if she's that mentally ill.

I'm about to watch Something Blue. When I first saw that episode it gave me a different impression on what SB would be like together than what we saw. I thought they'd play up the comedic side of the pairing and they were darker

**Burning Up A Sun** · 10-08-2009, 07:14 PM

I don't like that they spend so much time on RFW, even though I'm one of like 2 people that like Rachel.

I like that you can see the changes in her but I think in order for the show to last we need to see that in all the characters. And yeah we know more about Kurt than we do Quinn. We even know a little more about Puck than we do Quinn. I don't know anything about Will other than he acts like his students and only thinks about himself.

I don't necessarily want them to hurry up with RF but I do think the pregnancy needs to come to light so maybe we'll get more feelings regarding Puck and Quinn. As of right now I Quinn is the bad guy/girl it seems.

I really want Terri and Will to work on their marriage. WE will always be tainted whenever they get together because it will still be like she broke up the marriage. I honestly don't get how they have shippers. It's just wrong to ship them in my book. I hate though that the whole pregnancy is going to come around and bite Terri in the ass when all she wants to do is keep the husband she loves.

And Will has said he loves her so I just don't get Emma. She only knows he can sing and loves Glee. And yeah her illness is way too much. I can't imagine her allowing him to touch her either.

Aw Something Blue.

How light that episode is compared to what their relationship actually was like. That's kind of sad when you think about it. Their relationship could have been so much fun and hilarious to see but it just got way dark.

chemistry86 · 10-08-2009, 07:35 PM

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I don't like that they spend so much time on RFW, even though I'm one of like 2 people that like Rachel.

I like that you can see the changes in her but I think in order for the show to last we need to see that in all the characters. And yeah we know more about Kurt than we do Quinn. We even know a little more about Puck than we do Quinn. I don't know anything about Will other than he acts like his students and only thinks about himself.

I don't necessarily want them to hurry up with RF but I do think the pregnancy needs to come to light so maybe we'll get more feelings regarding Puck and Quinn. As of right now I Quinn is the bad guy/girl it seems.

I actually got the impression that a lot of the audience liked Rachel. Though the fact that they focus so much on her isn't getting her anymore fans. I agree we know a lot about everyone but Quinn. I honestly feel that until RF become official Quinn will continue to look like the bad buy so no one feeling sorry for her when Finn treats her like sht. I mean seriously, the best he could say about her lastnight was that she looked hot? I try so hard to like Rachel but then I think about how their writing Quinn and I can't bring myself to do it

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I really want Terri and Will to work on their marriage. WE will always be tainted whenever they get together because it will still be like she broke up the marriage. I honestly don't get how they have shippers. It's just wrong to ship them in my book. I hate though that the whole pregnancy is going to come around and bite Terri in the ass when all she wants to do is keep the husband she loves.

And Will has said he loves her so I just don't get Emma. She only knows he can sing and loves Glee. And yeah her illness is way too much. I can't imagine her allowing him to touch her either.

Eh. The only way I can learn to accept WE is if Will/Terri work on their marriage and somehow overcome Terri's lies, but eventually it crumbles from more natural reasons other than them trying too hard to make Terri look like a cartoon to make WE look good. Only after time has passed and WE happens outside the marriage could I accept the pairing. And really, Emma is just too unwell to be in a relationship. She's like obsessive about cleanliness and I don't see her letting Will touch her either

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Aw Something Blue.

How light that episode is compared to what their relationship actually was like. That's kind of sad when you think about it. Their relationship could have been so much fun and hilarious to see but it just got way dark.

I think it had to be dark though because there was no other way to get Buffy to a state where she'd consider a souless vamp after all that had happened to her. Thogh it's definately a bit sad when you think about the other angles their relationship could have been portrayed through

**Burning Up A Sun** · 10-08-2009, 07:44 PM

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I actually got the impression that a lot of the audience liked Rachel. Though the fact that they focus so much on her isn't getting her anymore fans. I agree we know a lot about everyone but Quinn. I honestly feel that until RF become official Quinn will continue to look like the bad buy so no one feeling sorry for her when Finn treats her like sht. I mean seriously, the best he could say about her lastnight was that she looked hot? I try so hard to like Rachel but then I think about how their writing Quinn and I can't bring myself to do it

Oh really? I always see people hating on her and RF.

Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places. But how would that help Quinn not be the bad guy by having RF get together? I mean is she going to tell him before or after about the baby? Is she really giving it up? Not telling Puck? This all has to come out after RF become a couple and then we'll finally get her feelings? Like she'll get dumped and then rant and yell and finally get it all out? Well to be fair all he said about Rachel was that she could sing and had a hot body.

Finn is just very shallow at the moment. Even he is rather 2D at times. Aw don't let that make you hate Rachel. Rachel gave her a olive branch of sorts last night. I loved their scene together and maybe there will be more like that. Who knows... she might be the one to get her to talk to Finn and Puck.

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Eh. The only way I can learn to accept WE is if Will/Terri work on their marriage and somehow overcome Terri's lies, but eventually it crumbles from more natural reasons other than them trying too hard to make Terri look like a cartoon to make WE look good. Only after time has passed and WE happens outside the marriage could I accept the pairing. And really, Emma is just too unwell to be in a relationship. She's like obsessive about cleanliness and I don't see her letting Will touch her either

I could accept that as well but I just hate that their having Terri lie about the pregnancy. I'm sure that will be the downfall of the marriage. How can it not be? Then Emma will be there to comfort him.... and if she marries Ken then both will be cheating. I just honestly can't ship them.

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I think it had to be dark though because there was no other way to get Buffy to a state where she'd consider a souless vamp after all that had happened to her. Thogh it's definately a bit sad when you think about the other angles their relationship could have been portrayed through

Oh I don't think their relationship could have gone any other way. I don't see how it could have. It had to be dark because he was soulless. But it seems like before the sex in S6 they did have lighter more carefree moments. The moment they started having sex is when it became darker.

I just wish we had gotten to see more Something Blue scenes... even though that seems completely absurd in real life for SB.

chemistry86 · 10-08-2009, 08:03 PM

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Oh really? I always see people hating on her and RF. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places. But how would that help Quinn not be the bad guy by having RF get together? I mean is she going to tell him before or after about the baby? Is she really giving it up? Not telling Puck? This all has to come out after RF become a couple and then we'll finally get her feelings? Like she'll get dumped and then rant and yell and finally get it all out? Well to be fair all he said about Rachel was that she could sing and had a hot body. Finn is just very shallow at the moment. Even he is rather 2D at times. Aw don't let that make you hate Rachel. Rachel gave her a olive branch of sorts last night. I loved their scene together and maybe there will be more like that. Who knows... she might be the one to get her to talk to Finn and Puck.

I think a lot of people loved RF at the beginning but it's beginning to be suffocating. I never understand why writers never get that people wont respond to something they seem too much of. The show wont last if they continue to only write for Rachel/Finn/Will because a lot of people are already complaining, it's just so bad. In the writers defense, they wrote the first 13 episodes thinking they needed to get a fanbase so they tried to do so by way of RF and WE, so they weren't thinking people would like other characters

I agree that Finn is 2-D which is another reason why he's so bland to me. He gets so much airtime but I still think he has no depth, lol. I think in this case it's the actor; he portrays Finn as an airhead. My theory about Quinn is that the truth comes out before RF become official but it wont be from her because that would be too much character growth from her. I think Terri will find out that Finn isn't the father then through consequence Will is going to out about it and tell Finn. I do think eventually they'll get back to Puck but only after everyone found out the truth.

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I could accept that as well but I just hate that their having Terri lie about the pregnancy. I'm sure that will be the downfall of the marriage. How can it not be? Then Emma will be there to comfort him.... and if she marries Ken then both will be cheating. I just honestly can't ship them.

I see it playing out this way too. I just wish they didn't involve Ken, it's so sad. I don't think Emma is going to marry him though. I think Ken is just being used as a source of jealousy for everyone to figure out Will's feelings for Emma.

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The moment they started having sex is when it became darker.

That's true because even early season 6 t was rather light as well. It became really intense when the sex happened and it was obvious she was using him and he was being slightly selfish in regards to her. I think it needed to be serious because Buffy was feeling ashamed of herself, lol.

**Burning Up A Sun** · 10-08-2009, 08:22 PM

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I think a lot of people loved RF at the beginning but it's beginning to be suffocating. I never understand why writers never get that people wont respond to something they seem too much of. The show wont last if they continue to only write for Rachel/Finn/Will because a lot of people are already complaining, it's just so bad. In the writers defense, they wrote the first 13 episodes thinking they needed to get a fanbase so they tried to do so by way of RF and WE, so they weren't thinking people would like other characters I agree that Finn is 2-D which is another reason why he's so bland to me. He gets so much airtime but I still think he has no depth, lol. I think in this case it's the actor; he portrays Finn as an airhead. My theory about Quinn is that the truth comes out before RF become official but it wont be from her because that would be too much character growth from her. I think Terri will find out that Finn isn't the father then through consequence Will is going to out about it and tell Finn. I do think eventually they'll get back to Puck but only after everyone found out the truth.

I think what it is about RF too is that the happened so fast. I don't feel like there's any development. But I don't feel like there's any between WE either. And that episode where Mercedes is like in love with Kurt and sings that song when she finds out he love someone else? It was just so incredible rushed. No buildup. So honestly maybe it's a good thing that PQ don't have that many scenes right now. That gives them time to maybe have scenes here and there and have proper buildup.

Finn is very much an airhead and I think Cory's cute but he's very very bland. He's like the dog that goes "Which way did he go, which way did he go?" And Eyeore too.

Oh that's a good theory. Although if it gets back to Will and then he lets it slip to Finn Quinn is going to come out looking horrible... and I guess Puck as well. But then if Puck finds out she was going to give the baby away it's like a double punch to Quinn.

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I see it playing out this way too. I just wish they didn't involve Ken, it's so sad. I don't think Emma is going to marry him though. I think Ken is just being used as a source of jealousy for everyone to figure out Will's feelings for Emma.

Yeah I'm sure they won't actually get married but it really really sucks because he does love Emma.

And she's just agreeing to it because she can't have Will. Urgh... I just don't like that storyline. I honestly feel bad for Terri too.

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That's true because even early season 6 t was rather light as well. It became really intense when the sex happened and it was obvious she was using him and he was being slightly selfish in regards to her. I think it needed to be serious because Buffy was feeling ashamed of herself, lol.

Oh yeah they couldn't have made it light and fun and carefree. That wouldn't have gone with how Buffy was feeling after she got out of heaven. I just wonder if maybe they had done more than just have sex during that time that maybe it wouldn't have been so dark. Like watch movies or talk or play games. IDK... if it wasn't just so sex based in S6 it wouldn't have been has detrimental to Buffy's emotional state. I know she was having feelings for him then but clearly they weren't healthy ones.

chemistry86 · 10-08-2009, 08:44 PM

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I think what it is about RF too is that the happened so fast. I don't feel like there's any development. But I don't feel like there's any between WE either. And that episode where Mercedes is like in love with Kurt and sings that song when she finds out he love someone else? It was just so incredible rushed. No buildup. So honestly maybe it's a good thing that PQ don't have that many scenes right now. That gives them time to maybe have scenes here and there and have proper buildup.

Finn is very much an airhead and I think Cory's cute but he's very very bland. He's like the dog that goes "Which way did he go, which way did he go?" And Eyeore too.

Oh that's a good theory. Although if it gets back to Will and then he lets it slip to Finn Quinn is going to come out looking horrible... and I guess Puck as well. But then if Puck finds out she was going to give the baby away it's like a double punch to Quinn.

I know this sounds very crass but I think they designed Rachel/Finn for teeny boppers to fall hard for. I just don't know how anyone our age can seriously ship that couple at a desparate level because there is no foundation or build up of feelings. She just told him he can kiss her only having been in proximity one episode before. It's so shallow, not to mention it's so predictable and obvious. It just seems like something young girls are meant to idolize. I find myself very bored with couples that are set up from the pilot because I am getting older and I just don't find it realistic

LOL@Finn, he is very much an Eeyore. I think the writing makes him look very dumbish, but the actor is very cute and bland too. He doesn't have anything that makes him shine which is probably why he gets so many solos...so people will focus on his character.

The mercedes singing was ridiculous but I think it was just used as an excuse to get her to sing a solo and she was amazing even though the song was really misplaced and silly imo. It was obvious Kurt was gay, even Finn knew it so there is no excuse for Mercedes

I am very worried Puck and Quinn will come off looking badly if someone else other than them tells Finn. I just don't know how this can reflect well on either of them. Though I guess the point is for Quinn to reach bottom before she can go up. Puck might be absolved if it comes out that Quinn was going to give up the baby and not tell him.

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Yeah I'm sure they won't actually get married but it really really sucks because he does love Emma.

And she's just agreeing to it because she can't have Will. Urgh... I just don't like that storyline. I honestly feel bad for Terri too.

They shouldn't have brought Ken into it. It just made a mess of things

Though I don't get how Ken can marry her when he knows she doesn't like him on any level.

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Oh yeah they couldn't have made it light and fun and carefree. That wouldn't have gone with how Buffy was feeling after she got out of heaven. I just wonder if maybe they had done more than just have sex during that time that maybe it wouldn't have been so dark. Like watch movies or talk or play games. IDK... if it wasn't just so sex based in S6 it wouldn't have been has detrimental to Buffy's emotional state. I know she was having feelings for him then but clearly they weren't healthy ones.

I think watching movies and talking was out of the question for Buffy because it would make things more real. She didn't want to feel like she was actually in a relationship with him so she tried to make it about sex. I think her feelings for him was very unhealthy in season 6. What did you think she felt? I think she felt lust, and obsession with having sex with him but that's the primary feeling she got. I think she felt resentment too and shame so that even if she felt anything remotely positive and real, the rest of it outweighed the good

**Burning Up A Sun** · 10-08-2009, 08:58 PM

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I know this sounds very crass but I think they designed Rachel/Finn for teeny boppers to fall hard for. I just don't know how anyone our age can seriously ship that couple at a desparate level because there is no foundation or build up of feelings. She just told him he can kiss her only having been in proximity one episode before. It's so shallow, not to mention it's so predictable and obvious. It just seems like something young girls are meant to idolize. I find myself very bored with couples that are set up from the pilot because I am getting older and I just don't find it realistic LOL@Finn, he is very much an Eeyore. I think the writing makes him look very dumbish, but the actor is very cute and bland too. He doesn't have anything that makes him shine which is probably why he gets so many solos...so people will focus on his character.

The mercedes singing was ridiculous but I think it was just used as an excuse to get her to sing a solo and she was amazing even though the song was really misplaced and silly imo. It was obvious Kurt was gay, even Finn knew it so there is no excuse for Mercedes I am very worried Puck and Quinn will come off looking badly if someone else other than them tells Finn. I just don't know how this can reflect well on either of them. Though I guess the point is for Quinn to reach bottom before she can go up. Puck might be absolved if it comes out that Quinn was going to give up the baby and not tell him.

I do like FR but I'm not like obsessive with them. It's mainly because I like Rachel and you know how it is when you like a character, you want them to have what they want. They didn't have any buildup and I'm not sure why they're drawn together... well maybe her to him but still. I don't really take any of the couples on the show or the characters for that matter too seriously. They don't seem to want to put a lot of depth in any of them, even the main ones. I think they are supposed to symbolize that the geeky nerdy girl can get the popular guy.

I don't really like couples that start out in the pilot with the except of Doctor/Rose because well... that's different.

They do get forced on the audience and that's what's happening with WEFR.

And it's sad because Cory doesn't have the best voice but he gets like all the solos.

I liked the song for Mercedes but I just didn't like how they went about it. I don't get how she didn't know he was gay, but then with the Cheerios whispering in her ear I guess it was easier to believe. I hope that Quinn tells Finn. That's how it should go down. He shouldn't find out from anyone else, not even Puck. And Puck should find out from Quinn that she was going to give up the baby. I think that's the only way to not have her character be despised.

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They shouldn't have brought Ken into it. It just made a mess of things Though I don't get how Ken can marry her when he knows she doesn't like him on any level.

I guess he figures that she's the best he's going to get. And he loves her so idk.

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I think watching movies and talking was out of the question for Buffy because it would make things more real. She didn't want to feel like she was actually in a relationship with him so she tried to make it about sex. I think her feelings for him was very unhealthy in season 6. What did you think she felt? I think she felt lust, and obsession with having sex with him but that's the primary feeling she got. I think she felt resentment too and shame so that even if she felt anything remotely positive and real, the rest of it outweighed the good

Oh that definitely would have made their relationship more real. I don't think Buffy would have done that at all. I just think it might have helped to not make the relationship so dark and abusive. And yeah she just wanted sex with him, she thought it would be no strings attached... not that she's ever done that very well. I think her feelings for Spike were very much like someone who's addicted to something, like I've said before. Having sex with Spike made her feel alive and free and feel no pain for that moment. She was high.... like if she was on drugs. But she knew it was killing her... she couldn't stop until she hit rock bottom and had an intervention of sorts. I also think she was falling for him or feeling more connected to him but like you said all the other stuff was just too much to have the good things really mean anything at that point.

chemistry86 · 10-08-2009, 09:17 PM

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I do like FR but I'm not like obsessive with them. It's mainly because I like Rachel and you know how it is when you like a character, you want them to have what they want. They didn't have any buildup and I'm not sure why they're drawn together... well maybe her to him but still. I don't really take any of the couples on the show or the characters for that matter too seriously. They don't seem to want to put a lot of depth in any of them, even the main ones. I think they are supposed to symbolize that the geeky nerdy girl can get the popular guy.

I don't really like couples that start out in the pilot with the except of Doctor/Rose because well... that's different.

They do get forced on the audience and that's what's happening with WEFR.

And it's sad because Cory doesn't have the best voice but he gets like all the solos.

That's the thing, I don't understand why Finn likes her. I know it's supposed to be an inspirational story but realistically, he'd never dump his hot and popular girlfriend for a geek. Atleast not until he takes the time to get to know her but he didn't do that yet which makes his side of the relationship look shallow. I get why she likes him but not why he likes her, lol. Did you notice they fixed Cory's voice lastnight? I think he sounds different in every solo he sings

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I hope that Quinn tells Finn. That's how it should go down. He shouldn't find out from anyone else, not even Puck. And Puck should find out from Quinn that she was going to give up the baby. I think that's the only way to not have her character be despised.

I think if Rachel ends up telling Finn it wont make Quinn disliked. Mainly because it makes her look petty and obvious, lol. I think Quinn will be okay in regards to the audience as long as she does one or the other. If she doesn't tell Finn the truth she has to tell Puck the truth about giving up the baby. She cannot be dishonest about both. But right now she's pretty popular for a character that's hardly had any focus on her.

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I guess he figures that she's the best he's going to get. And he loves her so idk.

In all honesty, he's kind of unattractive IMO. I think they casted him because they know he looks a bit pudgy and the fans wont feel sorry for him on that shallow note alone, lol.

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Oh that definitely would have made their relationship more real. I don't think Buffy would have done that at all. I just think it might have helped to not make the relationship so dark and abusive. And yeah she just wanted sex with him, she thought it would be no strings attached... not that she's ever done that very well. I think her feelings for Spike were very much like someone who's addicted to something, like I've said before. Having sex with Spike made her feel alive and free and feel no pain for that moment. She was high.... like if she was on drugs. But she knew it was killing her... she couldn't stop until she hit rock bottom and had an intervention of sorts. I also think she was falling for him or feeling more connected to him but like you said all the other stuff was just too much to have the good things really mean anything at that point.

Yeah that's the issue. I think Buffy was like a drug addict in season 6, and Spike just represented the drug. Neither of them were in a good role that season, lol. The thing is Spike knew that too but allowed it to happen because I suppose he wanted to get what he could have from her. Did you find it hard to root for them that season because of how abusive they were presented?

**Burning Up A Sun** · 10-08-2009, 09:34 PM

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That's the thing, I don't understand why Finn likes her. I know it's supposed to be an inspirational story but realistically, he'd never dump his hot and popular girlfriend for a geek. Atleast not until he takes the time to get to know her but he didn't do that yet which makes his side of the relationship look shallow. I get why she likes him but not why he likes her, lol. Did you notice they fixed Cory's voice lastnight? I think he sounds different in every solo he sings

I don't think anyone really understands why he likes her but from what I gather last night the reasons are exactly the same as why he likes Quinn. All we have to go on is that they're both very hot.

I think they need to get to know each other and the bowling thing was really good except for him playing her and all. But if they did more stuff like that and talked instead of just randomly kiss it would be better for them. I did notice that.

I guess they really want to keep him as the lead but know his voice isn't strong enough. I hated that he was the one to do the It's My Life solo, it should have been Puck.

Finn's voice isn't good enough for that song.

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I think if Rachel ends up telling Finn it wont make Quinn disliked. Mainly because it makes her look petty and obvious, lol. I think Quinn will be okay in regards to the audience as long as she does one or the other. If she doesn't tell Finn the truth she has to tell Puck the truth about giving up the baby. She cannot be dishonest about both. But right now she's pretty popular for a character that's hardly had any focus on her.

True but I really hope she doesn't.

But I guess it also depends on how Finn acts. I mean he might completely forgive Quinn and just take it all out on Puck saying he took advantage of her... no matter what Quinn says you know? But she does need to tell one of them the truth... and not go along and help Terri out with her issue.

She is pretty popular.

I like her but I want her to have more scenes and then I would like her more.

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In all honesty, he's kind of unattractive IMO. I think they casted him because they know he looks a bit pudgy and the fans wont feel sorry for him on that shallow note alone, lol.

In your opinion? I think in many's opinion. I'm sure they did cast him like that for that reason. I still feel sorry for him though. They shouldn't have written him to be in love with her if that was the case.

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Yeah that's the issue. I think Buffy was like a drug addict in season 6, and Spike just represented the drug. Neither of them were in a good role that season, lol. The thing is Spike knew that too but allowed it to happen because I suppose he wanted to get what he could have from her. Did you find it hard to root for them that season because of how abusive they were presented?

Um wow... I've never thought about that. I guess... in a way I do. But it's got more to do with the haters and what they say about that season. I feel like that season is the reason they are hated and the reason that gets used against them. I still shipped them during that season when the show first aired don't get me wrong but looking at it now and the abuse from both sides that was going on... it kind of hurts. I always wanted them to talk and do normal things but then she beat him up in the alley and broke up with him and then he did the AR and idk... I thought it was over after that. But then if we look at what happens in S7 it becomes this amazing story altogether.

chemistry86 · 10-08-2009, 09:54 PM

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I don't think anyone really understands why he likes her but from what I gather last night the reasons are exactly the same as why he likes Quinn. All we have to go on is that they're both very hot.

I think they need to get to know each other and the bowling thing was really good except for him playing her and all. But if they did more stuff like that and talked instead of just randomly kiss it would be better for them. I did notice that.

I guess they really want to keep him as the lead but know his voice isn't strong enough. I hated that he was the one to do the It's My Life solo, it should have been Puck.

Finn's voice isn't good enough for that song.

I kinda like that his thoughts towards Rachel was shallow, that way maybe when his character gets some seriousness we'll be able to feel the shift in this feelings for Rachel. What do you think about their chemistry? I sometimes think something is wrong with it, lol. I know, the last episode he was not strong enough to sing the lead at all. It should have been Puck or Artie IMO. I think Cory gets all the leads because he's paired up with Lea but it's clear he's not as talented as her, so it's looking weird.

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True but I really hope she doesn't.

But I guess it also depends on how Finn acts. I mean he might completely forgive Quinn and just take it all out on Puck saying he took advantage of her... no matter what Quinn says you know? But she does need to tell one of them the truth... and not go along and help Terri out with her issue.

She is pretty popular.

I like her but I want her to have more scenes and then I would like her more.

I think it would depend on how close nationals are. They might all put it behind them for the competition. Though I see Finn dumping Quinn in his anger and projecting it on Puck and Quinn. It would not do Quinn well if Finn just forgave her...the audience needs to see her struggle for something.

I love Quinn but the funny thing is, I really don't know why. I am not sure if it's Dianna's gorgeousness or if it's the character. I've never liked a character who hasn't been fleshed out this well before

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In your opinion? I think in many's opinion. I'm sure they did cast him like that for that reason. I still feel sorry for him though. They shouldn't have written him to be in love with her if that was the case.

They should have kept Ken as a comical boyfriend. They messed up by having him as the victim. I think their making too many mistakes with both FR and WE that they better start utilizing their background characters to save themselves.

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Um wow... I've never thought about that. I guess... in a way I do. But it's got more to do with the haters and what they say about that season. I feel like that season is the reason they are hated and the reason that gets used against them. I still shipped them during that season when the show first aired don't get me wrong but looking at it now and the abuse from both sides that was going on... it kind of hurts. I always wanted them to talk and do normal things but then she beat him up in the alley and broke up with him and then he did the AR and idk... I thought it was over after that. But then if we look at what happens in S7 it becomes this amazing story altogether.

I think SB is definately gathered haters because of season 6. I have to admit I was younger when I watched it so all I saw was the sex so I thought it was amazing. When I rewatched it at an older age I realized it was not a positive season for them. Still, I find a lot of subtext in between the brutality that is rather fasinating for me. If it was just about Buffy using Spike as a drug then it would be crass, but I think there was more to it.

**Burning Up A Sun** · 10-08-2009, 10:06 PM

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I kinda like that his thoughts towards Rachel was shallow, that way maybe when his character gets some seriousness we'll be able to feel the shift in this feelings for Rachel. What do you think about their chemistry? I sometimes think something is wrong with it, lol. I know, the last episode he was not strong enough to sing the lead at all. It should have been Puck or Artie IMO. I think Cory gets all the leads because he's paired up with Lea but it's clear he's not as talented as her, so it's looking weird.

I do hope we get to see that shift and it's still not shallow. Otherwise I would rather him go for someone else. Although it's not like Rachel's feelings are really really deep either.

Um... idk. I guess there's chemistry there but the way Rachel is played and the way Finn is played it just doesn't work sometimes. I've seen vids of Lea and Cory being themselves and they're really cute together and friends so I guess they just don't have romantic chemistry.

And yeah... he's definitely not on her level but I don't think anyone else is besides Mercedes.

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I think it would depend on how close nationals are. They might all put it behind them for the competition. Though I see Finn dumping Quinn in his anger and projecting it on Puck and Quinn. It would not do Quinn well if Finn just forgave her...the audience needs to see her struggle for something. I love Quinn but the funny thing is, I really don't know why. I am not sure if it's Dianna's gorgeousness or if it's the character. I've never liked a character who hasn't been fleshed out this well before

I bet Will will try to make them all get over it.

Projecting his anger on Puck and Quinn or Puck and Rachel? But yeah I think he'll dump Quinn, whether or not she tries to get back with him is the real question. I just hope it's not a FNL redo where Jason and Lyla break up and then get back together after he forgives her for sleeping with his best friend.

It might be Dianna's gorgeousness coupled with getting the other characters shoved in your face. You want what you're not being given and she's very pretty.

Same with Puck.

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They should have kept Ken as a comical boyfriend. They messed up by having him as the victim. I think their making too many mistakes with both FR and WE that they better start utilizing their background characters to save themselves.

Making him the victim only makes Emma and Will look worse. And yeah I need more from the other characters. Not just Puck and Quinn but Mercedes and Kurt and Artie and Tina and the Cheerios.

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I think SB is definately gathered haters because of season 6. I have to admit I was younger when I watched it so all I saw was the sex so I thought it was amazing. When I rewatched it at an older age I realized it was not a positive season for them. Still, I find a lot of subtext in between the brutality that is rather fasinating for me. If it was just about Buffy using Spike as a drug then it would be crass, but I think there was more to it.

How old were you when you first watched it? I was so amazed by the sex too but then all the other stuff happened.

Oh yeah it's not just about Buffy using Spike and Spike using Buffy. There's so much stuff involved that it's more than that. But to the casual viewer or the ones that don't want to see anything all they had was an abusive sexual relationship.