girl, interrupted

Joyce didn't kick Buffy out of the house. She said, "If you walk out of this house don't even think about coming back" because she was trying to scare Buffy into staying and not going out and possibly getting killed. Parents say things like that all the time. Parents aren't perfect! Joyce was a wonderfully pleasant character and I was sad to see her go! I felt The Body was an absolutely AWESOME episode even if it wasn't going in the shows normal flow of things. I think that's what makes it special.

Anyway...

I didn't like...
Doublemeat Palace
Bad Eggs wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great
I didn't really like Beneath You except for the Spike scenes

I'm sure there are more...but it happens with any show you watch! Buffy was a great show and I'm sad it's over, but glad it happened!

sum1

Joyce kicked Buffy out of the house. She knew Buffy had to go out again and would go out again and she still told her not to come back if she did. That's kicking her out as far as I'm concerned. Joyce was about as "wonderfully pleasant" as a meal of cow dung (I've never had one but I'm told they're not pleasant). Joyce was a pain in the ass and a part of the general trend of mothers being portrayed negatively on tv. It was hardly a case of a parent being just "not perfect" -she had zero brains, was totally insenstive and treated Buffy like crap in various parts of season 2 and 3. I have trouble believing that reject really was Buffy's biological mother. I wish they'd given Buffy at least one good parent but as it is I'm left wondering if she was adopted.

soul_rebel

Wow. Bash much? She just found out vampires exist and her only child was choosen to kill them. My mom would have me commited. Joyce reacted normally even better than most would. She obviously didnt mean for Buffy to not come back since she cried when she did realize she left.

Anyhoo I also think Beer Bad wasnt that good. But SMG was funny in it.

sum1

Joyce reacted like a self-righteous idiot. Like the self-righteous idiot she was.

SMG was very funny in Beer Bad.

soul_rebel

She was hardly an idiot.

Speaking of Joyce I just thought of more parts of BTVS I laughed at...off to go post.

girl, interrupted

I couldn't agree more!!!

sum1

Joyce was a TOTAL idiot.

Callace

You are making me curious. is there any characters you actually liked?

Crystal Clear

Joyce's death was sad. It was TOO sad. And I didn't like the episode because it was too different to any other Buffy episode. It was TOO true-to-life, and I didn't like it.

Rogue

Interesting thread.

Consider it mentioned.

Let's try and keep it constructive, here...this isn't an anti Joyce thread, afterall That said...

Agreed!

All the posts about people not really caring that Joyce died...I was moved by the episode because it clearly pained Buffy so much, whom I *do* care about. Definitely not rated as a bad episode, IMO

Rogue

Very well put.

sum1

I was being constructive. Somebody claimed that Joyce wasn't an idiot. I considered that patently false and I feel that she was in fact a total idiot so I stated that. It was meant to convey that she was an idiot all around, which is what I feel. It's as constructive as any other point made here. Joyce demonstrated herself to be a fool again and again. She didn't have much upstairs. Even her being friends with Spike was really just her stupidity, her not being switched on to how dangerous he was. She acted like he wasn't the dangerous vampire he was because she'd been introduced to him as something else and she never got past that. She was like sombody walking around in a daze, she never fully woke up to the world. The lights never went on upstairs. She was stuck in her narrow rut and she couldn't see outside of it. I think that was designed that way originally for comic effect but it could get very trying.
Plenty. Buffy, Dawn, Spike, Oz, Tara. And numerous non-regulars. Just because I don't like certain characters who I find to be a pain in the ass doesn't mean I don't like characters. And I liked Giles's music. Heck, Giles himself was ok a lot of the time, just not very interesting.
Hey I care about Buffy too but that episode didn't connect you well with her. It was too much dependent on you feeling Joyce was more of a real person than she was. Joyce was a character who usually evoked no feeling (other than annoyance) so her passing couldn't evoke feeling and it was hard to connect with Buffy feeling for a character who made you feel nothing. If the character of Joyce had been done better you'd feel more for her. She'd have felt like a person, not like the flat nothing she often felt like. The character portrayal of Joyce was very faulty. And you can say she was Buffy's mother so Buffy would feel a lot over her passing but the reality is that some people DON'T feel a lot over their parents' passing, notably if the parent didn't really connect with them. And Joyce didn't really connect with the audience so it was hard to believe in Buffy's connection with her. The episode was dependent on a connection that didn't come across. And it kept bludgeoning you over the head with Joyce's death like it was shouting at you to feel all bothered over it when here was this character who couldn't evoke such feeling. It was forced and it tried heavy handedly to PUSH you into feeling something that it wasn't natural to feel. And it did so with a lot of pretention and pose. It was a really annoying ep.

sum1

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Callace

Ok. But Im kind of surprised that you included Giles, as you recently took the trouble of picking up a one year dead unapp-thread for him

sum1

Giles season 7 is a good enough reason for an unappreciation thread. And he was a pain in the ass various other times too, such as in I Was Made To Love You (the way he treated Spike) and Revelations (the crap he gave Buffy about Angel).