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Old 06-08-2008, 09:15 AM
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Anti-Bangel: Tears on my Pillow, Pain in my Heart, Caused by You

Anti-Buffy/Angel Thread


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Buffy/Angel (Bungel) Opponents

  1. Suzanne Evans
  2. Scythe (Jen)
  3. Platelet
  4. starlightMint
  5. Hypergirl9897
  6. Luckystar23
  7. jengarnerfan (Elisha)
  8. Love Everybody
  9. *Sweetie* (Jen)
  10. ROCKSTAR
  11. Beep103
  12. Redwillow
  13. Special_K
  14. Slayer*fiend
  15. Kamini Kamna
  16. LivingDeaddoll
  17. SassyDaydreambeliever
  18. Denise
  19. Switch
  20. ~annie~
  21. MiseryLovesCompany
  22. Juliette_K
  23. algernonsidney
  24. Yoda-Mira
  25. Tyeshia
  26. Eddy
  27. kylara
  28. PollyZ
  29. BuffyRules03
  30. BuffyX
  31. Doogie
  32. Andysgirl
  33. xallyx
  34. mistakency
  35. DarkB
  36. Krissyk77
  37. DawsonsRealJoey
  38. Kid Vicious
  39. Shortstuff
  40. ~Melody~
  41. Skizzie
  42. Bloody Awful
  43. missdini
  44. Oz Lover
  45. VampireVixenV
  46. Cloudburst2000
  47. Flamegirl
  48. DaeDae
  49. xextremex
  50. Gwenster
  51. *~SpikesLilAngel~* (Marisa)
  52. Geniey2k
  53. katesarama
  54. marajade21
  55. taterbug
  56. progirl
  57. buffster&spikey (Neta)
  58. ~*satine*~
  59. Cati
  60. JanineW
  61. Eye of Botox
  62. **Jessica**
  63. Jay_10
  64. Jonnys Girl
  65. glory fades
  66. HollyDolly
  67. nirvana1
  68. Lil'Mims
  69. The Pea
  70. GoddessGlory_2001
  71. Mithvingiel
  72. Frelling Talk
  73. goldenpuppies at heart
  74. fictionfan
  75. faeriefolk
  76. SunShy
  77. elrithiel
  78. Devoted
  79. Sparked N' Ensouled
  80. .*.~.Laura.~.*.
  81. Spike's sunflower
  82. Sir Fireboard
  83. Egyptian Pixie
  84. WillowTaraPhoebe
  85. Bheryandcherry
  86. BabeWithAttitude
  87. sum1
  88. Willow_Witch
  89. Jaime Bee
  90. LittleMisfit
  91. ~Taylor~
  92. SydneySummers
  93. That Zeppo Girl
  94. xmag
  95. Charisma_Lover
  96. that_70s_gurl101
  97. Silver_Sparkle
  98. antisocial
  99. Biznitch
  100. Cite des Anges
  101. MarstersAngel (Jennifer)
  102. Cordy Chase
  103. Spuffy4Life
  104. PetiteMiel
  105. Eternal Love
  106. Dazzling
  107. Tarhiliel
  108. *SheLovesOrlando*
  109. CanonsAreWorthless
  110. racerkatbat
  111. B/Slover
  112. Erika J.
  113. Crack of Doom
  114. MissGranger
  115. Vamps Bite
  116. Delirious Belle
  117. AuntEverest
  118. lilmnx04
  119. Natz
  120. Andrea D
  121. ~Catrina~
  122. randomalien13
  123. Miela
  124. LaneKent
  125. catastrofetotalmeu (Sophie)
  126. Jaxx333
  127. GirlyGirl2004
  128. portkey00
  129. Aphrodite77
  130. Buffy_Bloody
  131. JBOO46
  132. Tru Davies
  133. obsessed_aussie
  134. HermionePotter
  135. Stand by me
  136. GREATSHOW...
  137. wisherwasher
  138. Claire&CharlieFan4eva
  139. Childe of the Daywalker
  140. Peter Parker: Spider-Man
  141. missy7280
  142. The_Buffinator
  143. innocent_bystander
  144. MyBlueBaby
  145. mild toxicity
  146. TeeVee
  147. Spikes Angel
  148. MirkwoodPrincess
  149. Spike Punk
  150. Rainstorm18
  151. SYLER
  152. Monique19
  153. Lemariz
  154. Anique
  155. cuemypulse
  156. Enisy
  157. ~Acid Faeries~
  158. I_Love_JennaJameson
  159. 4brathan&brucas
  160. NikaDawson
  161. amy2345
  162. lunas borednow
  163. Adie010
  164. Wynter
  165. Lisa07
  166. TulieMajulie7



POETRY

Sweetie


**Jessica**
B/A is real gross
It's putrid and disgusting
Like moldy jell-o


Scythe
She was so young
he in no need of a lung
but then there were tongues
the whole thing was no fun.


Cloudburst2000
I'm a paedophile
Let's date for a while
Sleep with me
Little girlie
I'll lose my soul
When around the bed we roll
I'll hunt you and your friends
Then get sent to hell in the end
I'll come back soul and all
But off to L.A. I will haul
'Cause I can't sleep with you
What else is a horny vamp to do?
I'll come around now and then
To kiss you again and again
And then say
"Sorry, but we can only be friends"
For this is twu luve, I say
Even though I'm really gay.
Hmm... maybe Wesley will come out and play.


Lil'Mims
The B/A Show (to the tune of Itchy & Scratchy)
"They kissed,
we gagged,
poked our eyes out
and we screamed.
It's so bad, oh so baaaaad!
The B/A bleh bleh Shooooooooooooow!"


LivingDeadDoll
Eternal Lollipop (from Angel's P.O.V.)
You took my breath away when I first saw you
And if it would beat, you would make my heart stop.
I knew you were my true soulmate, my one love
Watching from the bushes as you sucked on a lollipop.
Oh, if I only I could be that cherry-sweet confection
Gliding along your adolescent tongue with ease.
Some may cry "Molester!" or call me Woody Allen,
But I need your love, I'm begging on my knees.
My cookie-dough sweetheart, my jail-bait lover
Kiss me now, but please don't tell your mom
She'll try to stop you from giving me your love,
But I do so want to take you to your senior prom.
I adore you with all of my undead, eternal being
When you're laying in my arms, my world's at peace.
I could spend eternity making love to you, my dear
Just lie about your age to the police.


and

Lover, Too Late (Angel's P.O.V.)
I loved you within every inch of my soul
You brought me into the light
To flee unforgiving night
Where the darkness would swallow me whole.
You told me that from you I needn't hide
You are everything good
While alone you have stood
And I wish I could be by your side.
I would have stayed by you, using any means
Lover, don't grieve
But I have to leave
Because Wesley looks better in jeans.
I thought I was straight - I guess I was wrong
I found out the truth
That I was a fruit
When I first saw Spike in a thong.
You are so beautiful, a goddess as Venus
You were my love
My one turtle dove
It's just too bad you don't have a penis.





Our Purpose: To let Joss know that not everyone supports B/A... Oh and to let everyone else know that B/A suck a lot.

Rules: The only rule here is to not support B/A. Also, we don't bash any other couple here but B/A. There are threads for other couple bashing. Anyone who doesn't support B/A is welcome to post. Trolls, however, are NOT welcome.



Over This -- a clique for those who have gotten over B/A and are more than ready to move on.

Past Tense -- the official B/A Hatelisting. Go join!




Anti B/A Quotes

David Boreanaz: Buffy's pretty much out of the picture. They've played their storyline and that's just the past. Buffy's just the past.
Inteviewer: I'm a Buffy/Angel fan. Sorry.
David Boreanaz: You're forgiven. No, I'm just saying that the two shows are on different networks and it's not gonna happen. There's no more story there for those two. Buffy isn't Angel's priority anymore. In Season 1 and 2 of our show, she was always in the back of his mind, well, now it's all about the baby and Buffy is just, well, she's just a person he used to know.
Inteviewer: Awww, come on! The story there was so incredible.
David Boreanaz: And like every good story, it came to an end. And then started over. On. Different. Networks. (again with the emphasis)
Inteviewer: Is Angel going to hook up with Cordy?
David Boreanaz: Well, I'm all for it. I don't know what the writers have planned in that regard, but I'm a fan of Charisma's work and I'd love for our characters to be romantically involved. Cordy is really what Angel needs, I believe.

Greenwalt said that he had reservations about pairing Angel with someone other than Buffy but that Whedon wanted to go ahead with Angel and Cordelia. "He was, like, 'People move on. You have to move forward all the time,'" Greenwalt said. "What I do like about the show is that it does keep changing and we are full of surprises. And people do come and go as in real life... People fall in love and people move forward.

The star and the executive producer of "Angel" have three words for the fans of the show who are up in arms over the budding romance between Angel (David Boreanaz) and Cordelia (Charisma Carpenter). Get over it. Accept the fact that Angel and Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar) are not going to get back together. Not only have the characters moved on, but the shows are on different networks now. "If you actually saw these two characters get back together, it would be so different... it probably wouldn't even work," Boreanaz said. "It would be like getting together with your first wife," added executive producer David Greenwalt. "It would be a nightmare." On the other hand, there definitely is something going on between Angel and Cordelia. "There's definitely love a-bloomin' there. She is not yet aware of her feelings toward Angel, but Angel has become somewhat painfully aware that he has feelings toward her."

Jeffrey Bell: My thoughts are that Angel is an adult. I think he and Buffy have come to a place, and you got a sense of this near the end of Buffy, where they were thinking, "We love each other, but the way things are now it ain't gonna work out. We're adults, so let's move ahead with our lives." (Angel Magazine)

David Boreanaz: I'm not generally in favour of "reunions" because there is no reason to go back. It took a lot to get me to do Buffy. At one point I really didn't want to do it, but as a favour to Sarah I did it. (Ninemsn.com.au (March 14, 2004)

David Boreanaz: I only want to go forward in my life rather than backwards. Reunions don't sit comfortably with me and it took a lot to get me to do Buffy. (Dreamwatch Magazine #118)

Question: If you see David Boreanaz at the Fox party, ask him if there's any chance of a Buffy-Angel Reunion Movie.
Ausiello: It's been well documented that the Big B detests talking about his vampire past, but I bit the bullet and asked him anyway. Although he didn't come out and say it'll be a cold day in hell before he takes part in such a project, it was heavily (and rather uncomfortably) implied.

David Greenwalt: Angel and Buffy have both moved on. Angel realizes this season that he had moved on from Buffy before she died. It's only natural. It was a first love, and that's where it will remain.

David Boreanaz: When people say they wish [Buffy and Angel] were still together, I tell them if that were the case there wouldn't be any growth for both characters.

Joss Whedon: In terms of the Angel thing, the truth is that by Year 4 we would have been throwing up our hands going, "How can we possibly make this fresh?"

Question: Are Buffy and Angel ever going to get back together?
Marti Noxon: As for Buffy and Angel, they have their own shows now. Angel is doing well in the ratings and gaining a following of his own. I think they've moved on. I mean, I was also broken-hearted when they went their separate ways -- but let's face it. There wasn't a whole lot more for them to play out. She dies, he almost dies, he goes to Hell, he comes back. Remember when David and Maddie got together? Or Sam and Diane? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.





The Ultimate B/A Parody

Why is this the "ultimate parody" of the B/A relationship? Because this parody comes directly from the episode "Fredless" from Angel so we did not make it up. And that is what makes it so ultimate, because even the show's writers were making fun of the B/A ship. And kudos to JanineW for posting this scene.

Fred: "So - now that she's alive again, are they gonna get back together? Angel and that girl with the goofy name?"

Wes: "Well - Fred - that's a difficult question. I think it's fair to say - no. Not a chance, never, no way, not in a million years, and also 'nuh-uh.'"

Fred: "But you said he loved her. And of course she's gonna love him back, because he's so strong and handsome and he really listens when you talk. I-I mean, if you go for that sort of thing, why wouldn't it work?"

Cordy: "Let me break it down for you, Fred."

She steps away from the reception counter and pretends to be Buffy, overdramatic voice and actions.

Cordy: "Oh - Angel! I know that I'm a Slayer and you a vampire - and it would be impossible for us to be together - but!"

Gunn laughs at Cordy's act.

Wes: (standing up) "But!"

Cordy turns to look at him. Wes pulls his glasses off and lays them to the side.

Wes: (pretending to be Angel) "My gypsy curse sometimes prevent me from seeing the truth. Oh, Buffy!"

Cordy: "Yes, Angel?"

Wes: "Oh, I love you so much I almost forgot to brood!"

Fred watches wide-eyed. Gunn is laughing.

Cordy: "And just because I sent you to hell that one time doesn't mean that we can't just be friends!"

Wes grabs a hold of Cordy's wrist.

Cordy: "Oh!"

Wes: "Or possibly more."

Cordy: "Gasp! No! We mustn't."

Wes pulls Cordy close.

Wes: "Kiss me."

Cordy: "Bite me!"

Wes bends Cordy back over his arm and pretends to sink his fangs into her neck.

Angel: (off screen) "How about you both bite me."





Bangel Parodies by the always awesome Yoda-Mira
and let's thank Cati for offering to host the parodies on her site after the first links died



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sum1's parodies:

Parody of BTVS Season 1 episode Angel:

Buffy faces off against Angel, crossbow aimed at him.

Angel: Hey, don't shoot! I'm a vampire with a soul! Well, most of the time. Sometimes, it pops out and I have to pop it back in again.
Buffy: A vampire with a soul? How lame is that?
Angel: I know, it's really depressing. Why do you think I spend all my time brooding? It's much more fun when it pops out. Then I get to say nasty things and make fun of people.
Buffy: Ooh, scary.
Angel: But I didn't bite your mom, that was Darla. I drink pig's blood, not human.
Buffy: Pig's blood? Gross! And so totally uncool. And I know you didn't bite my mom. She could have beat you up easily.
Angel: But then why did you smash me out the window? Why the crossbow?
Buffy: Do you have any idea how bad that kiss was?


This one's inspired by what Angel said in IWRY about B/A: "It's more than confusing, it's unbearable."

Angel: Uhhhhh...
Buffy: What?
Angel: I'm too soulful to tell you.
Buffy: We've got a communication barrier.
Angel: Yeah, we can't understand each other at all.
Buffy: We just stand around with stupid expressions on our faces and say stupid fake sounding things and there's no connection whatsoever.
Angel: And no chemistry. I mean chemistry like romance chemistry, not science chemistry. But you knew that...
Buffy: So what's our relationship all about?
Angel: Beats me. Maybe it's about brooding? Or being depressed or something? I know a lot about that stuff.
Buffy: It's confusing.
Angel: It's more than confusing, it's unbearable.
Buffy: Wow. We must be really in love.
Angel: Tragic.
Buffy: Forbidden immortal love.
Spike: Sodding hell, I think I'm going to barf.


Parody of BTVS Season 7 B/A reunion:

Buffy: "Are you going to show up and go all Dawson on me every time I have a boyfriend?"
Angel: "Ah hah. Boyfriend."
Buffy: "He's not. But... He is in my heart. Well... really, he is my boyfriend, but I'm not supposed to admit it on the show."
Angel: "That will end well."
Buffy: "The show? I doubt it. It seems to be turning into a real mess. I mean, look at this stupid reunion..."
Angel: "Well, yeah... why do I have to come all the way from LA just to hear you going on about cookie dough?"
Buffy: "Hey! That wasn't my idea! They made me say all that stuff!"
Angel: "You think that's bad? You should hear some of the stuff we have to say on my show!"
Buffy: "So? We've had all sorts of nonsense here. Theres's been a concerted effort to mess up my relationship with Spike. It's like he's not politically correct or something."
Angel: "Well, I was so much better for you, anyway. I'm the Champion, after all."
Buffy: "Riiiight. At least Spike cares. He loves me. And I love him. But I'm not supposed to say so." (Looks around nervously for B/A shippers.)
Angel: "Heeeeey! We had a great relationship! I mean, remember the sex?"
Buffy: "What was the highlight of our relationship... when you broke up with me or when I killed you?"
Angel: "Uhhhh... when I broke up with you. I mean, that was good. I really liked it when you got all broken up about it. That was fun. You're real funny sometimes, you know?" (Points finger at her and laughs.)
Buffy: "You didn't like it when I killed you?"
Angel: "Uhhhh..." (scratches his head) "not really."
Buffy: "Well, I sure did."

Buffy in Wolfram and Hart:

Buffy arrives in Wolfram and Hart. She wanders around, looking for anybody she knows, and sees Angel. He's standing in a dark corner, talking to himself. His back is turned to her.

Angel: I'm a vampire with... without a brain? No, that's not it... without a soul? No, with a soul? What's the difference? Hmmmm. The difference is... I've got a soul and I'm depressed about it. That's it! I'm depressed.
Buffy: Angel?
Angel: Leave me alone! I'm brooding!
(Pulls a mirror out of his pocket - he stubbornly refuses to admit to himself he doesn't show up in it.) I'm called "Angel" because I look like one. (Checks his hair.) Do I? (Grimaces gloomily into the mirror, then turns around to Buffy.) Do I look like an Angel to you?
Buffy: You look like you've too much time on your hands!
Angel: Are you baked?
Buffy: Baked?! What sort of kinky question is that?
Angel: I mean, like... cookies.
Buffy: Huh? Are you feeling alright? Too much sun? Well, artificial sun. Or whatever.
Angel: I mean, like in our talk before Spike blew up Sunnydale.
Buffy: Oh, that. I wasn't serious. Just joking with you. Little bit of pre-apocalyptic humor, you know?
Angel: But but but you said maybe...
Buffy: Yeah, maybe. It's called a polite brush-off. You didn't really think I'd get involved with a guy who sits in the corner all day brooding about his soul and his hair? Been there, done that. I'm not a kid anymore. Maybe you should grow up too.
Angel: But but but... I'm the champion!
Buffy: Funny, the way I remember it, it was another vampire with a soul who sacrificed himself to save the world. Where is he?
Angel: Spike?! You want to see him?!
Buffy: Of course not, I'm looking for The Master and I want to ask him out on a date! Of course I'm looking for Spike! Who else? Really, Angel you can be quite stupid at times. Well, most times.
Angel: Spike's not here! He never showed up here and he hasn't been hanging around here and he hasn't been driving me up the wall! Really, he isn't here! I'm telling the truth! I am! Would I ever lie to you?
(Enter Spike, sauntering over confidently.)
Spike: Well, look who's here! If it isn't the Slaaaayer!
Buffy: One of the Slayers.
Spike: Oh, yeah, the Slayer mass production thing. Assembly line and all that. But there's only one Slayer for me.
(Buffy and Spike walk off together, leaving Angel behind, throwing a tantrum.)
Spike (whispering): Am I supposed to keep sodding pretending I think you don't love me?
Buffy (whispering back): Only as long as Angel's listening. We don't want him to tell certain people out there that I love you. Top secret. It's all about avoiding World War 3. I mean, apocalypses I'm ok with, but world wars...
Spike: Oh, of course! Let's go someplace depresso-hair won't find us.
(Exit Buffy and Spike, arm in arm.)


Buffy finds out about Angel having sex with Eve on ATS:

Buffy: You were having sex with somebody called Eve? Who did you think you were? Adam?
Angel: Adam? As in the biblical guy?
Buffy: (sarcastically) No, as in the demon cyborg under Sunnydale U!
Angel: Huh??!
Buffy: That was Season 4. You weren't there. I mean, except when you were stalking me or beating up my new boyfriend. For my own good, of course. Adam was a bit like you. Big and dead, lots of ego, not a lot of charm. But smarter.
Angel: You were going out with him too?!
Buffy: Are you crazy!!!
Angel: But you were going out with that other robot guy - Wiley or something.
Buffy: Riley!! And he wasn't a robot!
Angel: Coulda fooled me.
Buffy: And he wasn't dead. Adam was dead.
Angel: But I'm dead.
Buffy: Not enough.

Parody set sometime in the future:

(Buffy, older and wiser, is training a class of apprentice Slayers.)
Buffy: "Okay, you get your stake..."
Apprentice: "Steak?! But I'm a vegetarian!"
Buffy: "Stake as in wooden, not meat!"
Apprentice: "Oh..."
Buffy: (to class) "And you stick it in the vampire's heart."
Apprentice: "Where's the heart?"
Buffy: (muttering under her breath) "God, why me?"
(The phone rings in the next room.)
Buffy: (to apprentice) "Get that, will you?"
(Apprentice runs and gets the phone.)
Buffy continues with the class. A while later, the apprentice returns.)
Apprentice: "There's a guy on the phone for you. He says he's a vampire with a soul."
Buffy: (brightening up, excited, enthusiastic) "A vampire with a soul?!"
Apprentice: "Yeah. He kept going on about how he's a champion and he helps the helpless."
Buffy: "Oh, that jerk! Tell him I'm not here."



In memory of Cordelia:

Angel: My show got cancelled! Waaaaaaaaaaa!
Spike: It's your own bloody fault.
Angel: But I'm the Champion! It couldn't be my fault!
Spike: Get over yourself, you wanker. The Powers That sodding Be must have been p!ssed about the way way you find it so easy to forget the woman you're supposed to be in love with.
Angel: Which one?
Spike: That too.




Used Titles (Buffy forum):
  • Because Angel and Buffy moved on.
  • Because when they kiss we ALL wanna die.
  • Not a chance, never, no way, not in a million years, and also nu-uh.
  • Buffy and Angel reunion? That should be boring.
  • Because the reunion was so funny we laughed all week *points and laughs*
  • Because even Joss was mocking them.
  • Because we can't look at cheese the same way again.
  • Buffy and Angel forever? For their sake I hope not.
  • Angel: "I don't get you." And we've been saying that how long?
  • Enoughy with Anuffy!
  • Because we grew up, and so did they.
  • Transcendent? More like transparent.
  • Because it falls under the 8th amendment-no cruel or unusual punishment.
  • "How's if ever? Does if ever work for you?"
  • Angel: "That's great. It's nice -- you moved on."
  • See this number, Angel? That's the legal age.
  • Buffy *WHINE* Angel *BROOD*
  • "When you kiss me, I wanna die" and that's a good thing, how?
  • Buffy didn't have time for him even when it was the end of the world.
  • Angel's kiss was so bad that Buffy ran straight into Spike's arms.
  • They'd be like an arranged marriage. They barely know each other anymore!
  • Because Angel spent months at the bottom of the ocean and Buffy didn't care!
  • It's so bad it's funny.
  • David Boreanaz on Angel's true love: I think that question has really yet to be answered.
  • Bye Buffy, love you, thanks for the sex!
  • Buffy was unable to say "I love you" to Angel.
  • Five conversations in five years. Now that's communication.
  • Highlights of this ship... when he broke up with her and when she killed him.
  • David Boreanaz: I'm not in favor of reunions because there is no reason to go back.
  • She didn't know or trust him (Sanctuary) and she still doesn't. (Damage)
  • As Joss said, Buffy sent Angel away because Spike is the person in her life.
  • Because he could be dust for all she cares.
  • Buffy has Angel breath? Maybe she should get some tictacs.
  • Because he got her in bed then tortured her and her friends.


Used Titles (Angel forum):
  • Because I need some water to down all that cheese.
  • B/A = Boring Angst
  • Because Buffy has no desire to be with Angel.
  • Joss on "Chosen": B/A left their relationship at the graveyard.
  • Forever just got a hell of a lot shorter.
  • Death, tears, and abandonment. Sounds like a healthy relationship to me.
  • Angel only has eyes for Buffy... oh and Cordy, Darla, Gwen, Eve, Nina...


Title Suggestions:
  • Buffy isn't the most beautiful woman he's ever seen, Cordy is.
  • Because we're sick and tired of the constant whining.
  • Their relationship was nothing but fantasy.
  • Because their "love" couldn't transcend their need for sex.
  • Because they always look constipated when they're together.
  • We think IWRY is forgettable and so does Angel! (Not Fade Away)
  • Because Angel doesn't even know the color of Buffy's eyes
  • David Boreanaz on B/A: There's no reason to go back.
  • If Angel loves Buffy, why was he pining for CORDY for two seasons?
  • Because B/A is so sacred Joss replaced Sarah with a stunt double for the kiss!
  • Because she doesn't want to be with him and is not sure she ever will
  • She smiled more at Wood than at Angel whom she hadn't seen in almost 2 years
  • B/A never fought-shagged-hated and neither did they stay in love.
  • Because love can fade and B/A are proof of that.
  • Because he laughed at her pain. How exactly is that love?
  • Because she can't be bothered to write a letter or make a brief phone call to him ever.
  • Angel is only truly happy when Buffy is giving him orgasms!
  • Because she'd rather be with the Immortal. The Immortal!
  • Because fixing a pipe was more important than seeing him post-resurrection.
  • Because the Immortal's enjoying cookie dough right now, not Angel.
  • A senior citizen falling in love with a 15 year old is romantic? Try creepy.
  • When fire's raining down on Angel's head, Buffy's thinking of Spike.
  • When he was missing for 3 months she didn't have a care in the world.
  • Because nothing says love like apathy
  • Angel is only truly happy when Buffy is giving him orgasms!



Highlights of the B/A relationship

1. When he broke up with her
2. When she sent him to hell
3. When he almost drained her to death
4. When she shot him
5. When they punched each other in the face over Faith



TEN REASONS WHY B/A SUCK

1) Because he's an old man who has stalked Buffy since she was only 15 years old. 300 year old Angel "falling in love" with Buffy while he watched from a darkened van as the young girl sucked on a lollilop, was not romantic but disturbing!

2) Because he acts like her father sometimes. He even arranged to have her memory wiped, without thinking to ask her permission, for "her own good." Romantic partners should respect each other to make their own decisions.

3) Because Angel's happiest moment was banging Buffy. Spike's happiest moment was simply holding her.

4) Because when they had a major disagreement, they couldn't hold back from punching each other in the face, even though they were both souled and sane. (Sanctuary)


5) Because they make promises/vows to each other they can't keep:

- "Forever" -> "If ever" after only a couple of years

- Angel vowed in "Amends" he'd lay down his life for hers. He got his chance in "Graduation Day" and what did he do? He chose to risk her life to save his own ass.


6) Because they're dishonest with each other:

- Angel pretended he gave up his humanity for Buffy's sake, that keeping her safe was of utmost importance to him. Riiiiighht. If her life was so important to him, he wouldn't always be busy when she's facing an Apocalypse.
We don't buy that Buffy can "take care of herself" when it's the End of the World but she can't protect herself against Monster of the Week!


7) Because they're not each other's first choice:

- Angel finally gave her the chance to be with him in "Chosen" and she passed it up! She told him "years, if ever" and went back to explore her relationship with Spike.

- Then after she lost Spike, she passed Angel over AGAIN, this time for the Immortal.


8) Because Buffy doesn't love Angel anymore

- Love starts with caring and Buffy has shown consistently over the last couple of years that she doesn't care whether Angel is dead or alive:

Because she doesn't bother to keep in touch with him, not even by letter or phone once in a while.

Because if the reason they don't keep in touch is because it's too painful to be reminded they can't be together, how careless and selfish is that?! The pain of being reminded is more important than the possibility of saving the other's life? They both know they're not invincible and could need each other's help one day.

Because she didn't notice when he went missing for THREE MONTHS... when she wasn't even preoccupied with anything. She was just enjoying her summer and training Dawn.

Because when Angel was rotting at the bottom of the ocean, Buffy was concerning herself over Spike's injuries (Lessons)

Because when fire rained down on L.A. which is NEAR-BY so Buffy must have known, she didn't bat an eyelash of concern.

Because when the First came back in Season 7 (the same villain that nearly caused Angel to commit suicide in Season 3), it never occurred to Buffy to warn or worry about Angel.

Because if she loved him, she would have shown a bit of joy/excitement when he finally decided they should be together (Chosen). Instead she looked evasive and uncomfortable.


9) Because Angel doesn't love Buffy anymore:

- He's always too busy when she's facing an apocalypse.

- The one time he came to help, it was ONLY after he dealt with his own problems and had nothing else to do.

- He dreamed of making love to CORDY, causing him to experience perfect happiness and lose his soul. Buffy was just the afterthought, a painful memory of the last time he lost his soul.


10) Because not being able to have sex and kids shouldn't have doomed their relationship.

- Angel should have sought a permanent soul. Spike fought for his, Angel made no effort.

- In real life, there are couples who can't have sex for whatever reason (one partner has a disability, HIV etc.) and they stay together, sacrificing sex and natural kids. Why couldn't B/A, if they had a "transcendent love", make such a sacrifice?




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"I'll never leave. Not even if you kill me."
But in reality he did.

by Devoted
You know, the only thing I saw that was the same and consistent in regards to Bangel during "Chosen" was that in the end Angel left. Either Angel or Buffy always walk away from one another. I guess that's the criteria for being forever, true love, and soulmates: Abandonment!

How many times does this make it?
1. Graduation pt 2. (Angel broke up with Buffy and left town for her own good)
2. Pangs (he secretly checked up on Buffy and then left)
3. I Will Remember You (not only did he make the decision to not be with her, he erased Buffy's memory of that day)
4. Santuary (he told Buffy to leave his town and that she doesn't know him anymore)
5. Yoko Factor (he came and apologized, she said she loves Riley now, and then he left)
6. Forever (he stopped by to console her over Joyce's death then left... FYI: I heard this was the lowest rated episode during Season 5... and they had promoted Bangel big time)
7. Sometime after Flooded they meet for the first time after Buffy has been resurrected (off-screen meeting, they both start new relationships very shortly afterwards)
8. End of Days/Chosen (Buffy tells him to leave because she already has a champion. FYI: These were among the most hyped episodes ever.
Many magazines, including TV Guide, featured Buffy on their cover and the promotion was almost exclusively B/A focused; the grand reunion of the star-crossed lovers! The result? Ratings dipped for the first episode of the two-part finale, End of Days, and Chosen's ratings were lower than episodes earlier in Season 7. What happened to all the people who wanted to see Buffy and Angel reunited?)

Did I miss anything? Just for the record, Angel and Buffy have known each other for 7 years. During the last two years they have had almost no contact. How many times have they left each other? 8 times in 7 years... Do the math!


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Spike

- earned his soul for Buffy (Grave)
- gave his undead life for her (Chosen)
- the happiest moment in his life was just holding Buffy in his arms (Touched)
- cried more than anyone when Buffy died (The Gift)
- loves her with and without his soul
- has never left her


Angel

- didn't want a soul
- has never given up his life for her
- will risk Buffy's life for his own (Graduation Day)
- happiest moment with Buffy was when she was giving him orgasms
- never cried over Buffy, even when she died
- felt guilty that he wasn't very broken up about her death
- doesn't love Buffy without his soul
- has left her numerous times

I guess if you're a teenager, I can understand the concept of, whatever is forbidden and dark, may be enticing to you.

But I think if Buffy had to deal with it in an everyday kind of situation, like if she and Angel actually managed to get together and stay together, reality would hit and the attraction would fade.

It's kind of what I was talking about when it was proposed Buffy get together with Angel for Christmas.

I mean, honestly, can you image Angel sitting around with Dawn and Buffy decorating the tree and having a fun old time? First of all, let's just try to imagine Angel having a fun old time, which in itself is an impossible thing to grasp.
I mean, even as a Spuffy fan I'm not saying that Spike is any more qualified to be Mr. Normal-Holidays and Dinners and all that crap. But one thing you can say about Spike is that he knows how to take it easy. He knows how to have a good time and LIVE (metaphorically speaking).

Angel, he just can't seem to manage to do that, and I think someone like Buffy, who also has this huge Hero thing going on, needs to be around someone who can actually enjoy himself and who fits her personality a bit more.
The brooding. The inability to crack a joke or laugh or enjoy himself truly. After a while, mysterious and dark becomes a bad thing. The romantic fantasy fades and reality sets in. And it's just not that attractive.
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TFTNT Nika.

I just checked & Wynter needs adding
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K, I'll add her.

BTW, new question that I posted on the anti thread on the Angel board.

If there was a Buffy movie/or the Buffy comics end in Bangel, how would you feel?
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If there was a Buffy movie/or the Buffy comics end in Bangel, how would you feel?
Sick.
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Sick.
I'd probably have the urge to leave the theater and visit the bathrooms.

On terms of character growth, if that happened, if would be even more sickening, since it would be regressing to much.
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On terms of character growth, if that happened, if would be even more sickening, since it would be regressing to much.
Exactly. They'd be back at square one again, ignoring the ultimate reasons why it never worked out for them in the first place.
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Exactly. They'd be back at square one again, ignoring the ultimate reasons why it never worked out for them in the first place.
I think that was why, beyond my being a Cangel fan, I was happy SMG didn't come for Angel's 100th episode. I just imagine, it being Angel's show, the writer's wouldn't dare offend the Bangel shippers, by having Spike get the girl.
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ITA. Whether or not the writers agreed with the fans, it's a known fact that many episodes were constructed to please them.

IWRY comes to mind.
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ITA. Whether or not the writers agreed with the fans, it's a known fact that many episodes were constructed to please them.

IWRY comes to mind.
And Forever, and the end of End of Days and beginning of Chosen.

It's why I was happy SMG was unavaliable and they bought CC in, even though that meant Buffy didn't see Spike.
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I didn't like Forever. It was meant to be about mourning Joyce and yet somehow it ended up turning into The Buffy And Angel Show again.
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I didn't like Forever. It was meant to be about mourning Joyce and yet somehow it ended up turning into The Buffy And Angel Show again.
Agreed.

I didn't see why Angel should come to her mother's funeral, rehash the same reasons on why they can't be together, then leave again.
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He basically came with the intention to make her feel better, then left having made her feel worse because he couldn't stay.
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He basically came with the intention to make her feel better, then left having made her feel worse because he couldn't stay.
Isn't that nice. 'True' love just making you feel worse after your mother just dies.
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Isn't that nice. 'True' love just making you feel worse after your mother just dies.
Every girl's dream.
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