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April is here and with April come new shows... Well not really, just the Handmaid's tale (I'm scared) and American Gods (also scared but less so) and a bunch of boring shows returning
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Is Big Little Lies good? Saw few clips and it looks like such an obvious Emmy-bait attempt.
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It's watchable though. The big mystery turns out to be so ****ing predictable I actually wrote the whole ending down on a piece of paper during episode 2, for my sister to read after the finale (I predicted everything, down to the actual crime scene) but the characters are interesting and most of the performances are good. Quote:
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13 Reasons why looks way more interesting though. It hits close to home for us both, but after watching the pilot we really want to know how it develops. Can't wait for GoT either. Bones ended last week. Watched it for 12 years. It was about time and it's better to go off the air when you're still giving the viewers great episodes, but I'll miss it. The ending was perfect though. It gave the viewers closure, while they also showed us that the characters will continue to work together. Their friendships remain intact and the same, etc. I hate endings where ''best friends'' all move away...in different directions..losing contact in the process such good friends they were. Thankfully Grey's Anatomy is still on. The show that will never have its series finale thankfully Plus all of the other shows we're still watching, but Bones & Grey's were/are the two longest running series we are still watching. Criminal Minds aswell, but we're waiting for it to end so we can binge watch all seasons. Just like Homeland. __________________
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I love Susan Sarandon for a long time, but she is NOT good in Feud and Jessica Lange is not a good Joan Crawfard at all. It looks like they are not having it and don't even bother about acting. It's like they are there only because Ryan Murphy promised them Emmy's.
Big Little Lies looks like The Night Of aka another glorified HBO soap opera. I just read spoilers and yeah... very predictable. Hopefully Emmy will see through such an obvious Emmy bait attempt, but if that terrible movie with Kidman and Clive Owen got tons of nominations, I'm not sure about it. |
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I'm gonna drink their tears for breakfast! So many people cling to this idea that Silver killed Flint, as if it's so original and *deep* and somehow makes them so much more clever for having picked up on a certain ambiguity than the people who takes the happy-ish ending at face value. In pretty much every interview I've read with the creators they talk about Flint/Thomas reunion with such certainty, mentioning the ambiguity only once, leaving it to the viewers to decide. And they talk about how they planned Tomas's return right from the start and about "no body, no death" rule. Doesn't that rule apply to Flint himself? It worked several times on the show, I don't see the reason why they would change their modus operandi all of a sudden. Also there's a theory of the plantation representing Hades (and Flint reuniting with Thomas in afterlife, 'cause it's so original for LGBT characters to deserve happiness only after death ): entering the gates no one can leave, paying a toll, being judged by the 3 Fates and taken down the river to the Elysian Fields. Even if you don't take into account the fact that the show never visualized afterlife (the scenes with ghost Miranda were about Flint's state of mind, when he was mourning her and thinking about ending his own life) and that this version of afterlife looks exactly the same as a real plantation from the opening scene, wouldn't it be better to take a step back and see that the whole sequence represents exactly what Silver is telling: Flint dies, James McGraw is reborn. Isn't it symbolic enough? And for a show that likes its stories coming full circle sooo much, isn't it more logic and poetic (and humane?) to have this (gay) version of Odyssey, which was there right from the very start, get its end? Odysseus, on his journey home to Ithaca, was visited by a ghost. The ghost tells him that once he reaches his home, once he slays all his enemies and sets his house in order, he must do one last thing before he can rest. The ghost tells him to pick up an oar and walk inland. And keep walking until somebody mistakes that oar for a shovel. For that would be the place that no man had ever been troubled by the sea. And that's where he'd find peace. In the end, that's all I want. To walk away from the sea and find some peace. I don't know who I'm arguing here with, people are just driving me mad Quote:
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Okay, I watched first 3 episodes and it's brilliant. Susan completely stole the show and I still think Lang is a miscast. First of all, she is way older than Joan was when they were filming this movie and it even that's not the main problem... Looks like Ryan just can't step out of his comfort zone, casting actors he worked with on other projects.
Their feud seems very stupid a lot of times. They explained why it originally hapenned when Bette started stealing her projects and they should've explored it more cuz most of the time it looks like they hate each other for no reason. Second season is about Lady Diana and her ugly husband, third one should be about Madonna and Gaga. Susan should go for supporting actress. Kidman will probably take the best one either way. Big Little Lies was a hit by HBO standarts and she will probably lobby hard. Supporting actress will be easier to get. Haven't seen this strain show. I loathe most FX shows tbh. So try hard. |
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And now that you mention it, I think Feud is the first show on FX I have watched in years. Now I'm looking forward to American Gods (just to see if it's going to be the train wreck I fear but hopefully not) and I may check The Handmaid's Tale later this month, although the 30-something cast doesn't inspire any confidence. Any new shows you're looking forward to? (On that note: **** HBO! June, really?? And OB too??! I thought at least I wouldn't have to watch the last season of my two favorite shows at the same time! Mofos! ) __________________
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I thought it was bad because of few scenes I watched. Reminded me of when I didn't like OB promos and I assumed show is bad/cheap looking.
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When all is said and done I wonder who survives though. I'm pretty sure Sansa will survive everything, because she learned a lot and already survived quite a bit. Dany's luck will run out one day tbh and I think Snow will go down fighting aswell. Arya is not going to survive either, but not sure about that one. Sometimes I hate GoT....it's so often so hard to make predictions. __________________
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Speaking of historical accuracy, I also saw comments about how Anne is not a believable character, because pirates would never accept a woman becoming one of them Dude, did they ban wikipedia where you come from? Because even I, who was never ever interested in pirate stories before (I actually fell asleep during the first POTC movie and never bothered to watch the rest of them ), somehow knew about Anne Bonny and Mary Read. Also, this is the best (unintentional) advertisement: Quote:
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I've been listening to Fathoms Deep podcast (they have also interviewed the creators and the cast), I don't agree with them on everything, but their analysis of themes, structure, etc. is pretty thorough (and it's helpful, as I'm not good at it at all), and I realized the decision to stop taking my meds was totally premature after I'd had a breakdown over someone else's post about them, that even after people had pointed out all the inconsistencies in their theory of Silver killing Flint and the plantation representing Hades (there's a good post about it, btw), they still haven't changed their mind and think that Flint dying and reuniting with Thomas in afterlife is "a much better and more honorable end for him than being imprisoned in a labor camp". I realize that my reaction to this is completely irrational and extreme, and I shouldn't let other people's opinions affect me this way, but I just can't grasp the idea, in what world being killed by the closest friend in the woods, having been betrayed by him in fact, and having lost everything Flint had been fighting for is a more HONORABLE end than being reunited with the love of his life IN REAL LIFE (which does not prevent them from having an eternity in afterlife later lol). Homophobic reactions to the finale are expected, sadly. But so-called allies and their inability to see what a harmful message it is to deny gay characters a chance of having a simple life together and small mercies just boggle my mind. They'll be interviewing Jon Steinberg later, and I'm just afraid he'll be too polite to strongly object to this theory, and... Ugh. When is my turn to find peace Another thing that made me cringe while I was listening to them is when they called Miranda sleeping with the pastor in 1x06 a "hostile act" on her part, as if he's some innocent victim in this situation. I don't remember specifically, but they said something along the lines, that she first talked about "lifting the yoke of shame from his shoulders" and then shamed him for his desire to sleep with her, and that it makes her a hypocrite. And I feel like they missed the whole point of the scene. She never wanted to free him from his shame, she was totally screwing him over, calling him out on his hypocrisy, and boy, didn't she have every right to do that to the whole civilization and to this pastor in particular (he had people spying on her, ffs!). My perspective on this matter might be influenced by the fact that we have a law in our country that puts people in prison, no less, for "insulting religious feelings" (which of course has nothing to do with protecting religious freedom, but is used to punish certain people for political reasons, Pussy Riot is the main example), but I really hate when "religious feelings" are put above anything else, as if a religious person is somehow more 'pure' and more deserving of sympathy. I can't say that I consider myself an atheist, but I'm definitely not religious and really not good at debating any religious issues, but wouldn't Jesus himself object to such treatment? Quote:
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And it's kinda based on other people's perception of him, he's still an outsider among a group of outsiders, because he's not that typical manly man (and I actually like that about him), and that explains his desire to attach himself to other male figures whom he finds stronger, which he's overcome, luckily, and in the end it's his partnership with women that leads to his success. I love this parallel sfm, I was so proud of Jack in that moment Btw I can't believe some people read the finale as Anne ultimately choosing Jack over Max (romantically). Like, did they miss the part where she told him they would always be partners, but she could never be his wife? Their bond is strong enough without it being romantic in nature, and it's so ****ing beautiful and important. Same with Flint/Miranda for me. Quote:
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I've been rewatching some parts of s1, and realized (and coincidentally someone else pointed out) that when Flint talks how civilization makes monsters of them, he doesn't only mean for being pirates or for not fitting in some box withing the civilized world, it's also about how he and Miranda were blamed for what happened to Thomas. And I just... I'm not smart enough for you, show! There's layers upon layers upon layers there. There are also some insane "Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story" parallels, that I just want to lie down in a corner and cry for the rest of my life. __________________
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That's what makes it so much fun taking the Jehovah's Witnesses for a spin but yeah, to answer your question, he certainly would have. In fact, Jesus was as lefty as they come. He was against organized religion and the oppression of religious structures on the people. He was for hating the sin and loving the sinner, and he was always on the side of the disenfranchised. Quote:
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ok so I'm going to double post (Mods do whatever they want? ) because otherwise it'll be a mess. Bear with me.
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And her relationship with her mom, or lack of relationship, defined her. Even all the adoration from the press, from the fans, all her marriages, and her kids, were never enough to make up for the fact her mom didn't love her. I guess that was also something she was jealous of in Davis Quote:
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