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rony3369 01-19-2012 03:11 PM

hi,
i was thinking about the next epi.
and how A is going to get blindsided by W court stuff and i was thinking that D and K knew about W & A and not one of them thought to tell W it might be a good idea to tell A whats going on.
im surprised K didnt tip A off, she always worry about her, and i can say the same about D who always wanted A to use her connections - how come she didnt tell W to talk to A who could proborlly make all of it go awey.
so i think when all of it will come to light A will feel that it wasnt just W that kept her in the dark but D and K to.
i wonder what it is about A that keeps everyone to treat her like she was 4 years old that needs protaction and not a women who can handel life as she is infact??
its seems A plan for life is to stick her head in the send and not ask question even when they need to be asked, she done it with P and now with W and i wonder when she will learn that its not working for her?

oh, and i forgot about Eli the only one who told W he should tell A but didnt do anything after that....

Gelfling 01-19-2012 10:43 PM

Well, it's not really up to Kalinda or Diane if Will tells Alicia or not :shrug: and they are not going to sell him out.
What makes you think that Alicia could make it "all go away"? If anything, they all think it's "because" of her this is happening so...

rony3369 01-20-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gelfling (Post 60884456)
Well, it's not really up to Kalinda or Diane if Will tells Alicia or not :shrug: and they are not going to sell him out.
What makes you think that Alicia could make it "all go away"? If anything, they all think it's "because" of her this is happening so...

i think in the early stages A could go to P have a fit on him and maby change things. and now its wired that no one thinks she should know beacuse i think its clear to D at list that this happend beacuse of A she even told W "his going after you cause youre sleeping with his wife"

plus even E thought A should know- his the only one who told W to tell A cause its her buisness to.

if W would have told A that WSC is really after P , and she would have told that to P, things might have turn out defrently. dont you think?

LGC 01-20-2012 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Jude Law (Post 60874702)
Favorite Owen/Alicia scenes?

I like the scene in 2.10 when Owen comes back from Africa and waits for Alicia at her office. Will comes in all serious asking who the h*** he is and when Owen says he’s her brother Will gets all excited :rotfl: Then Alicia’s reaction when she sees them talking is priceless!!!!

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Originally Posted by Mrs Jude Law (Post 60874702)
What about the one in Get A Room where owen talks about Alicia having ****ty, passionate sex with Will and Alicia almost replies to his comment about her being prudish.

I think Owen can be very mean and childish sometimes, she seemed wounded after his comment. Actually, between Alicia and Owen she was the one that got laid :P :lol:

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Originally Posted by nlpnlp (Post 60860953)
I simply love when Alicia initiates things with Will. Maybe because usually Will is the one who puts himself out there for her.

Me too! :D It is so clear that he is always giving the first step, that seeing her in an “active” role is much more appreciated!

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Originally Posted by rony3369 (Post 60879756)
A is going to get blindsided by W court stuff and i was thinking that D and K knew about W & A and not one of them thought to tell W it might be a good idea to tell A whats going on.
im surprised K didnt tip A off

I think they just understood that it was personal and Will should decide who knows and who doesn’t. Kalinda is in her way to fixing her friendship with Alicia and I believe that the confidence they had before has not returned yet. So, it was probably better to keep Will’s problem to herself.

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Originally Posted by rony3369 (Post 60879756)
and i forgot about Eli the only one who told W he should tell A but didnt do anything after that.

Good point about Eli. Actually, he said he would talk to Peter but I don’t think he did :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Gelfling (Post 60884456)
If anything, they all think it's "because" of her this is happening so...

I don’t think that Diane or Kalinda see Alicia per se as the cause of his problem, maybe the cause would be their relationship. Alicia, on the other hand, might think that this situation was because of her. Will should have known that sleeping with the SA’s wife was dangerous, but she’s his weakness. Maybe he never considered his current situation as a possible outcome but I don’t think he’ll ever regret spending the last months with Alicia.

rony3369 01-20-2012 03:59 PM

hi,
i was reading this blog "the LG blog" and someone wrote a reply i really liked so i thought you may want to read it to ( i hope the person who wrote it doesnt mind...)


here it is:

Now it`s time to focus on the Peter vs. Will to win rights to Alicia`s heart. Both Peter and Will have history with Alicia, Will doesn`t have the one thing that Peter does -children. Let`s do a little policy matrix (compliments of my 30K graduate degree). May the best outcome win. I am going to compare a long term partnership with Peter, Will, and Alicia (by herself) and see which one win. The criteria are: personal happiness, family, career, reputation, money, sex, and self-growth. We`re going to double scores for personal happiness and family as I believe these categories are the most important to Alicia.

Scoring is 1 doesn`t meet expectations 2) meets expectations 3) exceeds expectations

Personal Happiness
Will -3 (he makes Alicia happy)
Peter -1 (he makes Alicia unhappy)
Alone -2 she is content, but not entirely happy

Family
Will -2 (I gave Will a 2 because I think Grace and Zack given the chance would actually like Will. They are also pretty loyal to their mom is recent episodes)
Peter -3 (Nothing like the intact family.)
Alone -1

Career
Will -1 (I think Will is bad for Alicia`s career both at Lockhart Gardner and in general. What was once an asset is more of a liability).
Peter -2 (Peter can help Alicia with his contacts, but she remains under his shadow. Nepotism becomes her middle name.)
Alone -3 (Alicia would probably do best at Lockhart Gardner with Diane or perhaps with Louis Canning without the ghosts of Will or Peter following her around)

Reputation
Will -1 (He is bad for her reputation all around. Both within the firm and in the public. He becomes Alicia`s lover and nothing more).
Peter -3 (Eli would approve of this choice.)
Alone -2 maybe 3 (Considering America`s still relatively conservative in the public space, I am going to settle with a 2. A divorced Alicia gets typecast as a family failure and a divorce, not something that even Hilary would risk. Alicia seems more conservative to me than HIlary is.)

Money
Will -3 (Will is a partnerat a big law firm, however if Peter tried to take her in court, Will might now be such a prudent fiancial choice).
Peter -2 (I don`t think Peter really helps or hinders Alicia financially. There was an episode that stated he earns less as state`s attorney than Alicia does. However, all the additional priveleges, potential earnings as a Governor, and political connections, might serve Alicia in the long run. Still, it`s a big political risk for her. Will is a safer choice short term).
Alone -2 Alicia can carry herself and her family is she does well. She probably earns a decent living as an associate at a top firm, she lives in Chicago which would be less costly than Boston, DC, or NYC (I think). She likely wouldn`t have any student loans left, so if she and Peter had a reasonable separation agreement she might do just fine.

Sex
Will -3 (No argument, just watch the season finale from last year. The elevator scene says it all.)
Peter -1 (I think Alicia would have a hard time having a good physical relationship with Peter after his transgressions)
Alone -1 (Could be a 2 if she found someone decent to be with.)

Self Growth
Will -2 (I don`t think will promotes her growth as a person as much as if she were on her own. She is too caught up in what does Will think)
Peter -1 (Peter hinders Alicia.)
Alone -3 (Without complications she can truly discover herself.)

Will -20
Peter -17
Alone -18

Team Gardner still wins!


what do you think?
nice. isnt it? ;)

Gelfling 01-20-2012 08:52 PM

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if W would have told A that WSC is really after P , and she would have told that to P, things might have turn out defrently. dont you think?
That's a valid question. I don't think Will cares much about what happens to Peter though and he knows better than to get more involved than he already is into the backstabbing at the SA's office.

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Good point about Eli. Actually, he said he would talk to Peter but I don’t think he did
:nod: I don't know where that went. Hopefully it's not forgotten. Eli has some redeeming to do!

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Maybe he never considered his current situation as a possible outcome but I don’t think he’ll ever regret spending the last months with Alicia.
I totally agree with that :nod: He'd do it again in a heartbeat. Besides, I think he's blaming himself and his ways more than anything else.

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Personal Happiness
Will -3 (he makes Alicia happy)
Peter -1 (he makes Alicia unhappy)
Alone -2 she is content, but not entirely happy
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Sex
Will -3 (No argument, just watch the season finale from last year. The elevator scene says it all.)
Peter -1 (I think Alicia would have a hard time having a good physical relationship with Peter after his transgressions)
Alone -1 (Could be a 2 if she found someone decent to be with.)
:lol: I'm not really sure this has been done objectively :P

redrose13 01-20-2012 11:13 PM

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I like the scene in 2.10 when Owen comes back from Africa and waits for Alicia at her office. Will comes in all serious asking who the h*** he is and when Owen says he’s her brother Will gets all excited Then Alicia’s reaction when she sees them talking is priceless!!!!
aahha I love that scene. she practically runs to her office :lol:

rony3369 01-21-2012 01:34 AM

hi,
you know what i was thinking?
after the grand jury thing is over i really think A needs to sit with herself and think haw is it that for the miliion time she gets blinsided by people she trust. now ofcors its not all her fault but some of it is. she is choosing not to get involved, not to ask difficuld qoestion (cause ther difficuld) and then shes all surprised in the end. well it doesnt work like that. she needs to loose the 4 years old adatud that say if something is complicated ( her faivoret word) then you can ignore it.
i think if she wiil be angry at Will for not telling her about the WSC thing she should asign some of the blame on herself as well...

LGC 01-21-2012 09:34 AM

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Team Gardner still wins!
Funny! :lol: I also see this scoring a little biased, but as we all here want them together, we can skip the technicality :D

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after the grand jury thing is over i really think A needs to sit with herself and think haw is it that for the miliion time she gets blinsided by people she trust. now ofcors its not all her fault but some of it is. she is choosing not to get involved, not to ask difficuld qoestion (cause ther difficuld) and then shes all surprised in the end.
In this particular case, I think she wanted to get involved or at least know what was bothering Will and what was going on with WSC. Regarding Diane and Kalinda not telling her, well sometimes it is not always about Alicia. If they see this as something Will alone has to face (although it will swarm to Alicia, and who knows where this will end) it should be him telling her, neither Kalinda nor Diane.

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i think if she wiil be angry at Will for not telling her about the WSC thing she should asign some of the blame on herself as well... .
She should assign some of the blame to herself because she didn’t insist? I didn´t see her burying her head or ignoring the problem here. Maybe she could have asked Diane about WSC, but after she warned Will when he was on speak phone and Alicia was there, I don’t see Diane going all blunt to her about the investigation. So, the result would be similar.

Mrs Jude Law 01-22-2012 06:00 AM

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I also see this scoring a little biased, but as we all here want them together, we can skip the technicality
I don't see that. At all. How? Why? ...:lol: :in_love: :goof:

Only one more week! :yay: Then there's quite the break. A little sad but it's Superbowl weekend! Good opportunity to rewatch some episodes. Anyone interested?

LGC 01-22-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Jude Law (Post 60924015)
Then there's quite the break. A little sad but it's Superbowl weekend! Good opportunity to rewatch some episodes. Anyone interested?

I am! My plan is rewatching S2, but I don't mind extending it to S3 ;)

Gelfling 01-22-2012 03:02 PM

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Funny! I also see this scoring a little biased, but as we all here want them together, we can skip the technicality
:lol: sure, why not? I just like people using scientific methods to justify their bias is all :lmao:

So interesting discussion here. Let's take a poll.
When/If Alicia finds out she will:
a) be mad at Will and Kalinda for not telling her
b) be mad at herself for being "the cause" of it all
c) be mad at Wendy and kick her hypocritical ass
d) be mad at Peter and give him a piece of her mind
e) keep her cool and solve this once and for all

I was going to add f) all of the above but I figured everyone would take that one so... choices choices...

rony3369 01-22-2012 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gelfling (Post 60934133)
:lol: sure, why not? I just like people using scientific methods to justify their bias is all :lmao:

So interesting discussion here. Let's take a poll.
When/If Alicia finds out she will:
a) be mad at Will and Kalinda for not telling her
b) be mad at herself for being "the cause" of it all
c) be mad at Wendy and kick her hypocritical ass
d) be mad at Peter and give him a piece of her mind
e) keep her cool and solve this once and for all

I was going to add f) all of the above but I figured everyone would take that one so... choices choices...

i dont know what she will do but i would love it to be D meaning give P a piece of her mind cause it would be the most interesting imo. we rearly see her do it, i think only once when she found out about K and not even then only when P told her she was sleaping with W she really got mad. so i would love her to break the status qwo btw them for something that really piss her off. thing is, by this point i dont think she will aime her anger tordes P but tordes WSC and i hate that cause WSC is just a means to an end and P is the one
who really started it.

Gelfling 01-22-2012 04:40 PM

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by this point i dont think she will aime her anger tordes P but tordes WSC and i hate that cause WSC is just a means to an end and P is the one
who really started it.
Yeah I still don't really agree with that one but I see your point.

LGC 01-22-2012 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gelfling (Post 60934133)
:lol: sure, why not? I just like people using scientific methods to justify their bias is all

As the first principle in science is impartiality, maybe a good option is Team Will still wins…because God wants it to be. Amen! :lol: In this religion we would have two Gods aka The Kings.


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So interesting discussion here. Let's take a poll.
There is one possibility missing here that is g) none of the above :P ;) I guess no one will choose this one so I will go with b) because she’s always blaming herself but want to see c) and e) for a change


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