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Old 01-15-2019, 01:22 PM
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OT2 Thread #138: Life After Everwood: Other Addictions (TV Shows, Movies, Music)

Welcome to OT2 Thread #138!

This is the second OT Thread. This thread is about discussing shows, movies, and music. Bring over your opinions on episodes, discuss characters and storylines, movies you're watching, music you're listening to.






Shows Current Everwood Members Watch:

Michelle:
Supergirl, The Flash, Riverdale, The Resident, Chesapeake Shores, Stranger Things, The 100

Betty:
Past: Everwood, Friday Night Lights, Gilmore Girls, OTH, Parenthood, Pretty Little Liars
Present: Blue Bloods, The Blacklist, Supergirl, The 100, Grace & Frankie, Chesapeake Shores, Graham Norton Show, This Is Us, The Resident, Ozark


Alan (The Crow):
Gotham, Lucifer, Supergirl, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The Flash, Modern Family, blackish, Lethal Weapon, Arrow, The 100, Superstore, MacGyver, Hawaii Five-0, Teen Wolf, Scream, Grimm, Baby Daddy, Stitchers, The Good Witch, Chesapeake Shores, Wynonna Earp, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, iZombie, Riverdale,The Haunting of Hill House, The Good Cop, Happy Together, Jack Ryan, Magnum P.I., God Friended Me

Shu/ds44:
Flash, Pitch, Chesapeake Shores, Empire, This is Us, Queen Sugar, JTV, Riverdale,
Brooklyn 99, All-American, Dynasty, Fresh Off the Boat


Sam/stlavin95:
Doctor Who, Shameless, the Walking Dead, the Deuce, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, Mayans MC, The Flash, The Gifted, This is Us, American Horror Story, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Mr Mercedes, Supernatural, the Good Place, Titans,
Ray Donovan, iZombie, Daredevil, Black Lightning, Agents of Shield, Iron Fist, the 100, Runways, Cloak & Dagger,
Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Lucifer, Brooklyn 99
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Alan, I noticed you watched The Passage. Any good?
Yes. It was very good. It got into the story right away with no clunky expository backstory. You learned the character dynamics from the rhythm of the story and the interactions, and it seems any necessary backstory will come to light on the fly. It was weird to see Zack Morris as a bad-ass ex Special Forces soldier, but he pulled it off. He also established a connection with Abby, the little girl he is sent to basically kidnap, so between the inferred backstory of his own child's death and the interaction with Abby, it isn't so surprising that he decides to try and protect her from his employers instead of turning her in like a good little girl.

On the flip side, the vampire storyline is intriguing enough to insure I give them a few episodes to hook me in further. These vampires lean more towards The Strain vampires than Dracula, and I'm interested to see what's going to happen there, because it's pretty easy to see that they are going to turn on their jailers big time pretty soon.

All in all, I'd recommend it. It delivered more than most of the new series have this year, and you get to see Zack Morris go all John Wick on some dudes, and that's always nice. Plus, Emmanuelle Chriqui...what more could you ask for?
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Yes. It was very good. It got into the story right away with no clunky expository backstory. You learned the character dynamics from the rhythm of the story and the interactions, and it seems any necessary backstory will come to light on the fly. It was weird to see Zack Morris as a bad-ass ex Special Forces soldier, but he pulled it off. He also established a connection with Abby, the little girl he is sent to basically kidnap, so between the inferred backstory of his own child's death and the interaction with Abby, it isn't so surprising that he decides to try and protect her from his employers instead of turning her in like a good little girl.

On the flip side, the vampire storyline is intriguing enough to insure I give them a few episodes to hook me in further. These vampires lean more towards The Strain vampires than Dracula, and I'm interested to see what's going to happen there, because it's pretty easy to see that they are going to turn on their jailers big time pretty soon.

All in all, I'd recommend it. It delivered more than most of the new series have this year, and you get to see Zack Morris go all John Wick on some dudes, and that's always nice. Plus, Emmanuelle Chriqui...what more could you ask for?
Alan, given your intellect and writing style, you could easily be a TV/Film/Comic Reviewer.

Seriously, you could. Excellent thoughts. You make me want to watch. Keep updating on the series. If you still continue to like it after a few episodes, I will give it a try.
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Eh, sometimes I write this stuff up and it sounds decent, and others I write something up and delete the whole thing because it makes me sound like a moron. At least to me.
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Eh, sometimes I write this stuff up and it sounds decent, and others I write something up and delete the whole thing because it makes me sound like a moron. At least to me.
Not to me.
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I just rewatched the last Riverdale episode... I like this review:

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Riverdale: Season 3 Episode 8 Review - Chapter 43: Outbreak
The mid-season finale of Riverdale is upon us, and whoa, is it insane.


Riverdale Season 3 Episode 8
"May God have mercy on our souls."

"Not God, Governor, the King."

And so we arrive at Riverdale's mid-season finale, and I for one am still catching my breath. And holding my sides from laughing at how absolutely silly this series has gotten -- in the best possible way. I am genuinely not sure of exactly how I am feeling about this game-changing installment at this point, but let's work through it together, shall we? What I can say with some definitive clarity is that this was one hugely entertaining episode that gave viewers some big answers while setting up the second half of the season.

Let's start things off with Jughead and Archie. Arriving at Gladys Jones' garage/chop shop/orphange/whatever, the pals get another harsh lesson in how far Hiram's reach extends when Penny Peabody arrives to collect the bounty on Archie's head. Fortunately, Jug's kick-ass little sister Jellybean -- she prefers J.B., thank you very much -- won't have anyone threatening her crush, so she knocks Penny out with the aid of her trusty slingshot. (Because this is Riverdale, and kids in this show's anarchronistic universe clearly still use slingshots, duh).

Gladys learns that the bounty Lodge has put on Archie extends to anyone who helps him as well. Although we don't know hardly anything about her character yet, it seems a safe bet that she cares about her boy as she calls F.P. to get him when Jug insists on returning to Riverdale to bring down Hiram once and for all. It would be interesting to know what Jughead's plan here is exactly, as everytime he has confronted Mr. Lodge in the past it has resulted in nothing but grandstanding on his part.

Mrs. Jones made another call too, to Fred Andrews. The ever-honorable Fred shows up to take Archie to the Canadian border, where he can start his new life, hopefully out of Hiram's reach.

At this point, can we all just take a second to contemplate Archie's career prospects North of the Border? Given his experiences working for Fred, construction would be his best bet. But Archie being Archie, deep down I know he'd either give his music another go or, most likely, find work as a chisled but not so bright escort.

That said, the scene between Archie and Fred is touching. And when Fred gives Vegas to Archie to keep him company on the road? I was crying more than watching one of those Sarah McLachlan SPCA ads. Where will Archie go next? And how many episodes until he his path leads him back home? With Archie heading to Canada, F.P., Jughead, and Fred all head back home. Although they have no idea what awaits them upon their return...

Back in Riverdale, Betty is still captive at the Sisters of Quiet Mercy. I have been vocal about not being a fan of how the show imprisoned yet another character here, but at least tonight's ep shook things up a bit by taking the unexpected route of having Betty and Ethel work together to escape. Shannon Purser hasn't been properly utilized on the series to date, with the characterization of Ethel being all over the place. Now off Fizzle Rocks and seemingly well-adjusted, she and Betty put their heads together to set in motion a cheer-worthy plan -- all hail the Gryphon Queen! -- to get the brainwashed patients to freedom. I genuinely hope that now this friendship between the pair has been established, that it gets further developed in the backend of this season.

Their plan is a huge success, albeit one a bit too late. Which brings us back to the main narrative thrust of this episode: Hiram's plan for Riverdale.

Essentially, he wants to turn the town into Hill Valley from the dark alternate timeline from Back to the Future, Part II. In his brave new order, Riverdale will be full of Fizzle Rocks and Penelope Blossom prostituting herself and costumed gang members and generally all sorts of ridiculousness that will make life there like The Purge, minus the wanton killing.

Do I even have to mention that this plan makes not one iota of sense? How exactly does Hiram plan on keeping the townsfolk from rising up against him? Why would he and Hermione want to be stuck in the hellscape that a town quarantined from the outside world surely will become? Will this series of events turn Veronica's hellscape into the sort of bizarre cabaret glimpsed at in Escape from New York's "Everyone's Coming to New York" song and dance sequence?

As the episode ends, the show has everything turned upside down. It is a daring move in a season whose waters have already been muddied with several potential shark-jumping moments. But this raises a bigger question: How much is too much for Riverdale? Are we at the breaking point for what the show's largely tween-driven viewership will put up with? These are all rhetorical questions, because from this writer's perspective what the series does best is over-the-top storytelling.

This midseason finale furthered the gleeful absurdity that has been the season's calling card. While I'm personally tired of seeing Hiram's constant success as I watch this show to escape from the real-life facepalm that is an unqualified businessman holding a position of power, I can at least appreciate how Riverdale has turned him into a Machivellian villian. Watching tonight I found myself utterly charmed by how unafraid the series is with bear-hugging ridiculous plot points. With the town now cut off from the outside world, we are at peak Riverdale. And it's a beautiful thing.

Riverdale Roundup

- Tonight's episode saw the debut of Gina Gershon as Gladys Jones and Trinity Likins as Jellybean Jones. From what we learned tonight, Gladys didn't want Jughead to join the Serpents, J.B. still has some issues with F.P., and the pair run a chop shop in Toledo. Expect much more from them when the show returns in the new year.

- We see Gladys washing blood from her hands and telling F.P. that they don't have to "worry much about Penny anymore." So, what exactly did Gladys do to her? My gut feeling is that we will see Penny again at some point, as the writers seem enamored with the character's one-note evil.

- One disturbing aspect of her storyline that Riverdale seems to be rewriting history on -- and never really has addressed properly at this point -- is that Jughead only has his scar because he mutilated Penny first when he was all ride or die about the Serpents. This remains the most ****ed up thing to have happened on Riverdale, and it's really distubring that Jughead's sadistic, sociopathic behavior towards Penny has been swept under the narrative carpet. To be clear, Penny is no saint, but she hardly deserved to have her arm carved up by the CW's resident rebel without a clue.

- "Can I can a hug?"

"Can I get a dad?"

F.P. Jones, father of the year!

- I'd like to learn more about what Gladys' life in Toledo is like. Tonight's episode sets her up as a modern day Fagin, having troubled teens steal car parts in return for food and a safe place to stay.

- I appreciate how Gladys thinking that Jughead and Archie were a couple wasn't done as a gay panic joke but rather as a touching tribute to their closeness.

- Gladys' jacket bears the Toledo Serpents logo, further indication that the gang exists throughout North America.

- Point to ponder: Is the fact that the Blossom family physician is named Dr. Caligari the most groan-worthy pop culture reference that this shown has thrown at is?

- This show featured waterboarding with maple syrup tonight. Why is it not on more 2018 Best Of lists?

- Choni lovers had their patience in the couple's backburnered relationship rewarded tonight when Cheryl asked Choni to move into Thistlehouse with her. Josie and the Pussycats fans are still **** out of luck though. Not that musical performances fit into the path the show has taken this season.

- We learn tonight that troubled kids created Gryphons & Gargoyles, and the staff at the Sisters of Quiet Mercy discovered how they utilized the game to their advantage. But what we still don't know is how it was leaked to the outside world, and by whom.

- Speaking of unanswered questions, exactly how did Hiram arrange for the Vixens to all have seizures? Earlier this season it looked like Evelyn Evernever was responsible for them. The seizures were the excuse he used to get the town quarantined, but we know Veronica wasn't using Fizzle Rocks, so if they are spread through them how was she affected?

- The Gargoyle King is both a hallucination caused by Fizzle Rocks and a flesh-and-blood creature. We see the King in Hiram's office at the end of tonight's episode, so go ahead and theorize that he is the man (or whatever) behind the curtain. So who is the Gargoyle King? It's not a huge leap to assume that he is somehow involved with The Farm, which will take the focus of the remainder of the season now that the mythology of G&G has been explained as being a "game born of madness."

- The scene where Veronica, Cheryl and the stoned members of the Riverdale High ROTC arrive in Mayor Lodge's office to thwart her, already completed, plan was very Watchmen.

- "Jingle Jangle is so last year." Oh Veronica, you are so right.

- I give Archie a lot of **** for making dumb decisions, but at least he dyed his hair to alter his look somewhat to keep bounty hunters off his trail.

- If you rewatch this episode, please pay special attention to Casey Cott's performance as Kevin Keller Hopped Up on Fizzle Rocks. It is something truly wonderful.

- Finally, Betty as the Gryphon Queen is a mood. We'll be back in the new year with more Riverdale insanity. Join us, won't you?

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One thing I will add... as a psychic/tarot reader... I have to wonder if RAS has read some cards because when Archie walked off with Vegas, he was straight out out of The Fool Tarot Card. It was awesome.


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The main thing I agree with in that review is what is Hiram's endgame? I mean, was all this really leading to him creating his own personal bizarro kingdom? If so, wouldn't there have been easier places to do this than in Middle America? Wanting to have a town run cut off from the rest of the world and run by a small elite seems like it would best be achieved in some 3rd World country.

A point of disagreement: it was nice that Cheryl asked Toni to move in with her, but until they start getting more screen time than Kevin and his closeted pseudo love interest, Choni fans have not been rewarded for their patience. Until they get at least as much screen time as Veronica and Reggie (or Veggie as their fan name would be much to my delight), then I'll consider them getting the short end of the stick.
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The main thing I agree with in that review is what is Hiram's endgame? I mean, was all this really leading to him creating his own personal bizarro kingdom? If so, wouldn't there have been easier places to do this than in Middle America? Wanting to have a town run cut off from the rest of the world and run by a small elite seems like it would best be achieved in some 3rd World country.

A point of disagreement: it was nice that Cheryl asked Toni to move in with her, but until they start getting more screen time than Kevin and his closeted pseudo love interest, Choni fans have not been rewarded for their patience. Until they get at least as much screen time as Veronica and Reggie (or Veggie as their fan name would be much to my delight), then I'll consider them getting the short end of the stick.
Agree with both points.

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Choni does deserve more screen time
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They do, indeed.
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Hope the last half of the season goes there.
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Same here
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What else would you like to see in the last half?
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