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Wilpen · 11-09-2009, 10:05 PM

That is absolutely hilarious! Especially since he was the one today to boldly step right up to take the penalty shot that should have never been, to tie the game!

Sooooooo funny!

As I keep searching for the video I cannot believe the backlash against Liverpool! They are being ripped to shreds for what happened in the match! Everywhere, everyone is just ripping them to pieces.

Question... is this a fluke that they are being ripped in that it is just because people hate diving and acting OR is there some universal Liverpool hatred that is making what happened today all the more set up for a huge ripping session against the Club?

**everwoodfan52** · 11-09-2009, 10:10 PM

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Question... is this a fluke that they are being ripped in that it is just because people hate diving and acting OR is there some universal Liverpool hatred that is making what happened today all the more set up for a huge ripping session against the Club?

Matty, only you can answer that question.

Everwoodian Kopite · 11-09-2009, 11:16 PM

N'Gog dived, no doubt about that. He'll get ripped to shreds in the press the next few days, so hopefully it won't happen again. I didn't even cheer when we scored from the pen. It's not the Liverpoolway of doing things.

Anyway, we completely outplayed the Brummies tonight, but it's just not our season. Everything is going against us.

I'll look at it from the bright side though. We're getting rid of loads of fair-weather fans, and if things end up so bad that we don't get into next seasons Champions League I doubt it if Gillett and Hicks can avoid selling the club. (Without the club getting the CL money they probably can't afford paying down the loans they've placed upon us). Or perhaps no one will buy us and we'll go bankrupt.

Deep down it wouldn't be that bad if it happened. Well, if it just happened to us it would be bad, but what I'm really hoping is that the football bubble will burst.

No more players earning £100.000 a week. No more £50 tickets. No more clueless **** turning up at the match because it's fashionable, taking the place of a local hardcore fan who can't afford it anymore.

I'm just fed up at the moment. Not just because Liverpool are ****e, I'm just sick of the monster English football has become.

The Germans have it all figured out. Down there no private company is allowed to own more than 49% of a club. The other 51% are owned by a supporters trust. The tickets are cheap. There are standing sections in the stadium. You can take ale into the ground. It sounds like heaven. They can't attract the biggest stars because the clubs don't have as much money as in Italy, Spain and England, but at least they take care of those who really matter: The supporters who are there through thick and thin. In England the clubs want to get rid of working class supporters, replacing them with "customers" who'll pay £250 to dress themselves up like christmas trees the club shop and sit down nice and clap polite during the match. The soul is being ripped out of English football, at least at the best clubs. Liverpool FC held on to the old values when the commercialisation of English football started in the 90s, and that left a huge gap financially between us and Manchester United. Now we've got two super-capitalists running the club, squeezing more money out of the fans and into their own pockets.

To be honest, I'd rather have Liverpool in the third division that have us turn into the soulless monster that is Manchester United.

Let's just hope the bubble bursts, the money disappears, the shiney new stadiums everywhere gets worn down, the seats get thrown out, and working class people can once again pay £10 to watch the team they live for.

Turned into a bit of a rant this, but I'm fed up, and now I don't even have good results on the pitch to drug my mind into thinking things are alright.

Is right la!

(Tune : The Boys Of The Old Brigade)

Oh father why are you so sad,
Your face so pale and fraught,
When all us reds are proud and glad
Of the team that we support.
Oh son I see in memory's view
Days of long ago you see,
When we cheered and sang
And from the Kop there rang,
Songs of Liverpool FC.

(Chorus)
Where are the lads who stood with me
At Milan and Etienne ?
Oh it grieves me that I will never see
The Spion Kop again.

From Cantril Farm the call to arms
Was heard by one and all,
And from Garston came brave young men
To answer Shankly's call.
I think of them at St Etienne
Who made the rafters shake,
And in 65, they brought the Kop alive
And made poor Inter quake.

Where are the lads who stood with me
At Milan and Etienne ?
Oh it grieves me that I will never see
The Spion Kop again.

And so my son I've told you why
On this dark day I sigh,
As I recall great players all
From the glory days gone by.
Who played before the greatest fans
Their singing never stopped,
Oh they sang and cheered and Liverpool revered
On the mighty Spion Kop.

Where are the lads who stood with me
At Milan and Etienne ?
Oh it grieves me that I will never see
The Spion Kop again.

Everwoodian Kopite · 11-09-2009, 11:30 PM

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That is absolutely hilarious! Especially since he was the one today to boldly step right up to take the penalty shot that should have never been, to tie the game!

Sooooooo funny!

As I keep searching for the video I cannot believe the backlash against Liverpool! They are being ripped to shreds for what happened in the match! Everywhere, everyone is just ripping them to pieces.

Question... is this a fluke that they are being ripped in that it is just because people hate diving and acting OR is there some universal Liverpool hatred that is making what happened today all the more set up for a huge ripping session against the Club?

That video isn't exactly fair. Yes, Gerrard have a couple of dives on his concience, but a few of the situations in that video were clear free kicks or pens. It's just that the feller who made the video didn't show the other angles where you can see Gerrard getting caught by the opposition. But as I said, there are also clear dives there.

Liverpool are one of the nice teams when it comes to fair play. I can't remember the last time something as stupid as today happened to one of our players. It happens every week when Chelsea or the Mancs are playing.

When it comes to hatred against us... Don't know really. A lot of media personalities in England have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to us because they were playing when Liverpool were winning everything in the 70s and 80s. A lot of opposition fans hate us because we were and are successful. And there's also the thing about Liverpool not being your typical English city.

We're not English we are Scouse

It's different in many ways, and is looked down upon by some other parts of the country. Self-pity-city, thieving scousers, etc. Liverpool FC represents the city, or at least a big part of it, and they love it when we fail.

There's a great chant describing some of it. One of my favourites:

The reds are coming up the hill boys,
The reds are coming up the hill boys.

They all laugh at us
They all mock at us
They all say our days are numbered.

Born to be a Scouse
Victorious are we,
If you wanna win a cup
Then you'd better hurry up
Cos we're Liverpool FC

Wilpen · 11-10-2009, 08:45 AM

Thanks for explaining all of that, Matty.

Oh God yes, you outplayed them. It wasn't even close. Liverpool dominated the entire match. The second goal Birm had in stoppage before half was the one that you could punch a wall over. The 2nd half consisted of a lot of pressure to get not just one goal, but two. You did get the one goal.

I loved the energy of the crowd. That was so fun to experience.

As for Gerrard... like I said in the previous thread... I asked Betty what she thought of him because he really impressed me. He was all over the place and I saw his talent plain as day. That ball he got his head on that hit the post was sooooooo close and what a showcase goal had it gone in!

Yes, it's obvious the English media is just ripping the dive. I forgot about how brutal the English media can be in general, let alone regarding this popular sport.

As for Manchester United... I have never liked the club. EVER. A lot of Americans like and support that team. I am not one of them.

Wilpen · 11-10-2009, 01:02 PM

Puck

ESPN

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Sykora out with concussion

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Minnesota Wild right wing Petr Sykora has a concussion and is out indefinitely.

Sykora took a hit to the head in Saturday's win over the Dallas Stars. In his first season with the Wild, Sykora has already missed six games because of a groin injury. He has two goals and one assist in 10 games.

Also, the team says defenseman Kim Johnsson has been cleared to play again after missing the last seven games because of an unspecified upper body injury. The Wild visit the Toronto Maple Leafs on Tuesday.

He has barely played at all this season. Whenever he has actually played he has contributed massively. Unfortunately, this is a huge blow for the Wild.

Oh well, at least several hockey games are on the ice tonight, six to be exact:

Penguins at Bruins (televised)
Wild at Toronto (for sure locally televised)
Flames at Canadiens
Oilers at Senators
Canucks at Blues (televised)
Predators at Sharks

3/6 televised for sure. Not sure about the other 3 games. I would bet at least one more game, possibly more, will be televised on the hockey channels as well.

Looking forward to watching some hockey games tonight.

Wilpen · 11-10-2009, 01:24 PM

Deliberate triple because I want you to see this Betty.

I forgot to check all morning/early afternoon, but I just did now and BINGO, it's up:

THE DIVE:

YouTube - David NGog N'Gog Dive Against Birmingham City To Win Penalty Liverpool 2 - 2 Birmingham City

**everwoodfan52** · 11-10-2009, 03:03 PM

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Deliberate triple because I want you to see this Betty.

I forgot to check all morning/early afternoon, but I just did now and BINGO, it's up:

THE DIVE:

YouTube - David NGog N'Gog Dive Against Birmingham City To Win Penalty Liverpool 2 - 2 Birmingham City

That was incredible.

Carsley's foot touched nothing...not even the ball!!

That was a ridiculous dive.....in which even Matty agrees.
I don't understand why they don't have replays for the refs...so they can see the play at different angles. The first time I watched it looked like it could be a foul....but when it was repeated from different angles...it was obviously not a foul.

ETA: Charlie Davies was released from the hospital a month after the accident.

ETA2: Germany goalkeeper Robert Enke dies after being hit by a train in an apparent suicide, police confirm. (very sad)

Wilpen · 11-10-2009, 05:06 PM

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That was incredible.

Carsley's foot touched nothing...not even the ball!!

That was a ridiculous dive.....in which even Matty agrees.
I don't understand why they don't have replays for the refs...so they can see the play at different angles. The first time I watched it looked like it could be a foul....but when it was repeated from different angles...it was obviously not a foul.

While I was watching it I had Matty on my mind so I was pulling for Liverpool to tie it up and you can even see as I'm talking about it in my post, I was happy the penalty and equalizer took place. But after the goal and they kept talking about it, showing it on the replay all I could think about was how horrible that was, the play acting. Remember how I've said this until I'm blue in the face... this is the part of soccer/football I cannot stand. It's annoying. So then I instantly felt badly for Birmingham because they played their defensive hearts out. Imagine how incredible they played up until that point defensively? AT Liverpool, they had a 2-1 lead against a team that should have been having their way with them. So that really sucks for them. And it's why I said Liverpool is very lucky to get that tie. Sure, they dominated the entire match but Birmingham really played their hearts out defensively. My hat goes off to them and I feel badly about the dive. That ref outside the box took the bait. You can tell Carsley was truly shocked out of his mind it was called. He was truly innocent. I'm surprised he didn't throw a tantrum because he deserved to!

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ETA: Charlie Davies was released from the hospital a month after the accident.

Wonderful. Is there more information regarding an estimated full recovery time?

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ETA2: Germany goalkeeper Robert Enke dies after being hit by a train in an apparent suicide, police confirm. (very sad)

Extremely sad! Awe.

**everwoodfan52** · 11-10-2009, 05:17 PM

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Extremely sad! Awe.

Depression is such a powerful thing.

Germany Goalkeeper Robert Enke Dies Age 32 - Goal.com

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Wonderful. Is there more information regarding an estimated full recovery time?

U.S. player Charlie Davies released from D.C. hospital - U.S. Soccer - ESPN Soccernet

Wilpen · 11-10-2009, 05:46 PM

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Depression is such a powerful thing.

Germany Goalkeeper Robert Enke Dies Age 32 - Goal.com

The death of his daughter was the trigger.

I bet he tried pushing it aside by playing the sport and keeping busy, and he just couldn't fake it anymore. That is so sad. My guess is no one had any idea how depressed he truly was. That is usually what happens in this case. This is a situational type of depression instead of a generalized one and the very heartbreaking news is if he got the right help he would have been cured and healed and this would have never taken place. Unfortunately he was a good actor and no one saw the signs I am sure. Generalized depression is way more obvious than situational. The fact that he was traveling and active probably allowed him to mask the depression all the more until he couldn't handle it anymore. Truly, truly a sad situation.

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U.S. player Charlie Davies released from D.C. hospital - U.S. Soccer - ESPN Soccernet

6-12 months still. Hmm. That's still pretty good, don't you think? The broken bones, if you think about it will heal up. The bladder situation does not affect his playing. I think the recovery time is 6-12 and then he's pretty good as new or very close. I said before you are never the same after injuries but he didn't have ligament, tendon or cartilage damage which are issues that DO linger and never fully heal. I know how that goes with my knees.

I think he could make a very nice recovery and get back out there almost as good as new. He'll need intensive therapy like they said but he is physically fit. That would be miraculous if he was closer to six months in recovery time. That would be great.

ETA:

PUCK

Wild are having a TERRIFIC game in Toronto right now. Absolutely fabulous, so far. They are leading 4-1 at the end of 2. I think this at least shows they are not in as much trouble as Toronto. Lol. Of course the game is not over yet, one more period to go but I like how the Wild have really taken it to a team that is down right now but going into Toronto and doing this while you are struggling yourself is huge so far.

Havlat, Koivu, Zidlicky are playing great, in particular. I hope they keep it up and get the win after the next period. We'll see.

**'Tos** · 11-10-2009, 07:00 PM

I've never meant this more than I do tonight: GO WILD!

Of course, I can't judge Toronto when the Canucks are down 4-0 after the first period. 3 goals in about two minutes. And Luongo is technically our backup but probably isn't ready to play. So, why make him your backup if he can't even do that? Don't ask me. Not that Raycroft is really to blame. It's the team infront.

It's too bad that the Toronto/Wild game isn't on here so I could at least get some happiness from hockey tonight, heh.

Wilpen · 11-10-2009, 07:26 PM

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I've never meant this more than I do tonight: GO WILD!

I bet.

The Toronto fans sound like they have constant boos going on! It's like you hear this monotone humming of boos that does not leave for even a second. They are not happy! You can just feel the energy of the fans and it can only be described as quite dark and chilly.

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Of course, I can't judge Toronto when the Canucks are down 4-0 after the first period. 3 goals in about two minutes. And Luongo is technically our backup but probably isn't ready to play. So, why make him your backup if he can't even do that? Don't ask me. Not that Raycroft is really to blame. It's the team infront.

It's too bad that the Toronto/Wild game isn't on here so I could at least get some happiness from hockey tonight, heh.

Yeah.

For some reason I thought I was able to get the Canucks game but it's not on. Is the defense breaking down? Or just an overall poor showing as an entire team for the Canucks so far?

**'Tos** · 11-10-2009, 07:32 PM

The Leaf fans are almost always like that this season when they're losing. I watched most of the first 8 games, and they were relentless. Still, loyal fans even when the team isn't doing well. Sellouts, some of the best TV ratings in the NHL and the most profitable franchise in the NHL (I believe?) despite being one of the worst teams in the league and being so low for quite a few seasons.

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Yeah.

For some reason I thought I was able to get the Canucks game but it's not on. Is the defense breaking down? Or just an overall poor showing as an entire team for the Canucks so far?

Entire team, I would say.

It's just like when we lost 10 games straight last season: with Luongo, Daniel Sedin and Hansen coming back soon, the players are just coasting until reinforcements come. Bah.

On the bright side, Luongo is playing, so he is ready. Yay.

Wilpen · 11-10-2009, 07:49 PM

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The Leaf fans are almost always like that this season when they're losing. I watched most of the first 8 games, and they were relentless. Still, loyal fans even when the team isn't doing well. Sellouts, some of the best TV ratings in the NHL and the most profitable franchise in the NHL (I believe?) despite being one of the worst teams in the league and being so low for quite a few seasons.

Shouldn't we like them just based on this fact?

Seriously, they are insane but they are insanely dedicated even if they get the attention like the NY Yankees but those fans are loyal to the core. It's to be respected but somehow it is fun watching this franchise up in arms at the moment! Lol. Kessel did get a late goal. Maybe they will be happy about that? I am not sure because whenever the buzzer was loud and you saw the final score of 5-2 with the Wild winning it, those fans looked like they were in need of some mental therapy or good, stiff, drinks, probably both.

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Entire team, I would say.

It's just like when we lost 10 games straight last season: with Luongo, Daniel Sedin and Hansen coming back soon, the players are just coasting until reinforcements come. Bah.

On the bright side, Luongo is playing, so he is ready. Yay.

That's the spirit! Good news, indeed.

You also said it... yes they are coasting but they had and still have a chunk of their main players out and you know once things get back in order in the injury department, the Canucks are going to be a better team. You just know this.

Look at the Penguins falling right now. They lost again tonight. Those injuries cause teams despair. They just do. Injuries happen in every sport, all the time... but it seems like in hockey injuries can mean so much more along with probably basketball. Both sports are all about a close chemistry in a very fast paced style of play so whenever a couple key links are missing, the chemistry is off, the quality of play has to decrease. You just have to attempt to stay above water and wait it out until those players get back so the team chemistry can rise again.

ETA: ESPN is saying that Luongo should have been out there tonight if he is able to play. Idiot analysts. It's so easy to say since the Canucks are losing. Stupid. I absolutely agree with the decision to ride it out with Raycroft, especially if that means Luongo is 100% ready in the next game or two that he starts up playing again. I think it was the right decision by the Canucks.

Also, if you want to laugh a bit and I'm not sure if you have looked at this before, it is fun going here, hee. I can't believe the fans have so many new threads open regarding the Wild/Leafs game tonight.

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