[jediwands]

Fic Links that TL22 supplied and commented on:


1.Kiss Me Chapter 1, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

This takes place at the end of season four. It's my very first P/A story. two short chapters. My version on how the graduation could/should have went.

2.Thanksgiving, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

A short interlude of what could have happened between seasons three and four.

3.Finding True Love Chapter 1, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

Fourteen chapters of what could have happened in the future. I wrote it over two years. The story starts season three when Pacey is getting ready to sail away. The end of chapter one has a unique twist, I think you'll enjoy.

The following is by ElizabethBella who wrote a fantastic Pacey/Andie story. (My favourite)

Come Sail Away Chapter 1: Separate, and apart, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction
This is a multi chaptered story, you won't be able to put down.

The next is another one of my favourites written by the very talented StevieLuvsAlex

No amount of time, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

The next is a two part Pacey/Andie story written by me and StevieLuvsAlex. The first part is hers and the second part written by me won't make any sense if the first part is not read. Very very short

Everything happens for a reason, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction
Written by StevieluvsAlex

Everything Happens For a Reason part Two, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction
Written by me and takes up where Everything Happens For a Reason leaves off

https://www.fanfiction.net/story/sto...toryid=7420836

This is a glimpse of Pacey, Andie, Joey and Dawson when they were very young. The story is two parts..

The next link is by the author Makesmyheadspin. IT is a bitter sweet story and really captures Pacey and Andie.

Springsteen, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

Fate is The Hunter, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

[jediwands]

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[jediwands]

Back on the Joey topic... I loved season 1 Joey. Absolutely adored her, in fact. I cheered for her and loved that strong tomboy she once was. Season 2 hit and all that changed. Her personality was so different, I had no idea who I was even viewing on the screen anymore. I couldn't at all relate to her at that point.

Regarding Joey in general... I feel like you either like her, hate her, tolerate her. I do believe many Pacey/Joey fans tolerated her. Not all, some Pacey/Joey fans really liked her. But there's a good portion of Pacey/Joey fans that had issues with Joey and understood that season 4 Joey was back and forth with confusion, jealousy over Dawson looking at anyone who wasn't her.

As for the fans who truly despised her... oh there was a strong group back in the day.

I also find it interesting that it became Joey's Creek in season 5 and that was essentially the weakest, most annoying season of the series. Joey singing to her mugger was the absolute worst and all about TPTB falling over Katie Holmes and giving her center stage.

[TL22]

I have to agree with the title theme of this thread. Even though Berlanti came up with Pacey kisses Joey, he more than redeemed himself with Everwood. Which in my opinion is a far superior show. Dawson Creek was great seasons one and two and then started to slide into mediocrity.

Everwood on the other hand got better every season and I think we were robbed of a gem of a 5th season that was supposed to happen. except they decided to keep the very lame 7th Heaven for one more season and took on another series that was so bad it lasted two or three episodes.

What was a shame or ironic...the cast was told they had a fifth season.

[jediwands]

Certainly Everwood was a much higher quality show than Dawson's Creek.

Yes, the WB never fully appreciated Everwood. I honestly think the WB didn't know what to do with such high-quality and how special and unique Everwood was. It wasn't like their other soapy shows that catered to a specific target audience. Everwood had higher ratings than most of those soapy shows the CW kept on. It was such a joke and had nothing to do with ratings and everything to do with the flavor they were looking for on the CW. Everwood was better off never going to the CW. The WB didn't relate so there's no way on earth the CW would've related either. They know how messed up it was though. They originally were taking Everwood because of the ratings and they knew it was a success. But I think at the end of the day it was all about the flavor they wanted. Justice was received. Dawn was chucked and I smiled widely.

Berlanti was even going to cater to that flavor (even though he winked at fans and insinuated once season 5 happened the ridiculous plots he suggested would have been dead and buried before they even got started anyway) but I'm thankful he didn't have to and we received an absolutely brilliant series finale that went right back to The Pilot and tied everything together beautifully. Everwood was definitely a CBS type of show. It was not the WB and it certainly was not the CW. Everything worked out in the end.

[Speedychatterbox]

Originally Posted by TL22 (View Post) I have to agree with the title theme of this thread. Even though Berlanti came up with Pacey kisses Joey, he more than redeemed himself with Everwood. Which in my opinion is a far superior show. Dawson Creek was great seasons one and two and then started to slide into mediocrity. Everwood on the other hand got better every season and I think we were robbed of a gem of a 5th season that was supposed to happen. except they decided to keep the very lame 7th Heaven for one more season and took on another series that was so bad it lasted two or three episodes. What was a shame or ironic...the cast was told they had a fifth season.

Everwood was a great show, and while it sucks the show was told they had a fifth season, 7th Heaven was not a lame that show was awesome. It was given another season than originally planned due to fan support for another season. 7th Heaven was show that taught real moral lessens that resonated with a lot of people and is one of the most loved shows from the WB. I loved both 7th Heaven and Everwood and thought they were both really good family oriented shows with likble characters and good lessons unlike Dawson's Creek, which had quite a bit of badly written plots throughout the series, bad character development, and didn't really teach good lessons (well, atleast not when KW was writing). DC was cancelled because of low ratings.

[TL22]

Originally Posted by Speedychatterbox (View Post) Everwood was a great show, and while it sucks the show was told they had a fifth season, 7th Heaven was not a lame that show was awesome. It was given another season than originally planned due to fan support for another season. 7th Heaven was show that taught real moral lessens that resonated with a lot of people and is one of the most loved shows from the WB. I loved both 7th Heaven and Everwood and thought they were both really good family oriented shows with likble characters and good lessons unlike Dawson's Creek, which had quite a bit of badly written plots throughout the series, bad character development, and didn't really teach good lessons (well, atleast not when KW was writing). DC was cancelled because of low ratings.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the quality of 7th Heaven, but that's not a big deal. If everyone thought the same; what a boring world we would live in.

[Forwood4Bamon]

interesting comments everyone is making here: I was watching season 4 it's airing again and I'm not really seeing how joey is making pacey better. She reassures him she is over dawson is all I can think of. how many fights and I'm only at 4.03 never resolving anything before the credits roll. how come they never resolve anything every freaking episode? They changed joey a lot. her innocence and funness is gone. she's not funny anymore and PJ is not funny together. I don't like all the lying going on in this relationship but yet they're considered the best couple.

[jediwands]

7th Heaven was never my cup of tea and I don't believe it holds a candle to Everwood.

Originally Posted by pandiexjeyton (View Post) interesting comments everyone is making here: I was watching season 4 it's airing again and I'm not really seeing how joey is making pacey better. She reassures him she is over dawson is all I can think of. how many fights and I'm only at 4.03 never resolving anything before the credits roll. how come they never resolve anything every freaking episode? They changed joey a lot. her innocence and funness is gone. she's not funny anymore and PJ is not funny together. I don't like all the lying going on in this relationship but yet they're considered the best couple.

LOL Preach. I don't get it either, Rachel. Keep commenting as you move along with the watch. Love reading your comments.

[Speedychatterbox]

Originally Posted by TL22 (View Post) I'm going to have to disagree with you on the quality of 7th Heaven, but that's not a big deal. If everyone thought the same; what a boring world we would live in.

Yeah, I guess we can agree to disagree. I liked both shows a lot, but Friends will always be my all time favorite TV show from my youth.

[Alwayshappy]

I always thought that Everwood would have had more success if it would have aired on ABC. ABC is known for great drama's (including Brothers & Sisters - a series that was quite similiar and far more succeeding rating-wise). CBS is more into crime shows overall, so I don't think it would have been the right place for Everwood. It's such a shame how the WB treated Everwood.

That said...I am kind of glad we didn't get a S5. Like Michellesaid..we were given an excellent series finale (one of the best series finale I've ever seen) and who knows if we would have gotten a finale like that if the show ended after S5, or S6? More seasons always seems a great idea if you love a show, but in the end I would always prefer a great ending over a greater amount of seasons with a terrible ending. This way we can remember the show as the gem that it was.

It's always been clear to me that Everwood had way more quality than DC ever had. I loved DC (don't get me wrong), but Everwood had more heart and the characters were more relatable and likeable. I don't like the shipping wars that DC caused. Don't like it at all. It's happening all over the internet. There are other shows with shipping wars, but I have yet to find a show who caused bigger ship fights (mostly including lies and make-up facts) than DC did. I like Rory/Jess on Gilmore Girls, but was never attacked personally for liking them by Rory/Dean, or Rory/Logan fans. I liked Lucas/Brooke AND Lucas/Peyton on One Tree Hill, but was never attacked by the other side. However, when I try to defend Joey/Pacey or Andie/Pacey (I like both couples equally) I get attacked everywhere on the internet. Never really understood why there are A LOT of DC fans out there who always want to make it personal, etc. It's driven me to the point of just enjoying DC in peace, without talking about it in public. It just causes more fights, etc. It shouldn'be necessary in the perfect world though. That's why I will always prefer shows with a big heart over DC. Shows like Everwood, Gilmore Girls, or even One Tree Hill. So if you guys ever think that it's only the Dawson/Joey fans who get attacked online..I'm living proof it goes both ways.

Regarding Joey...I loved her. I did think she had big flaws though. No matter who you ship her with...she went back and forth way too often. What was the result? Both Pacey and Dawson acting immature, just to get her back. She never really was able to choose and I disliked that about her. Other than that aspect I never had big issues with her character, though I get why some people dislike her more than I do. The episode she got mugged was actually one of my favorites, but I guess that's an episode that people either love, or hate.

[Speedychatterbox]

Originally Posted by Alwayshappy (View Post) I always thought that Everwood would have had more success if it would have aired on ABC. ABC is known for great drama's (including Brothers & Sisters - a series that was quite similiar and far more succeeding rating-wise). CBS is more into crime shows overall, so I don't think it would have been the right place for Everwood. It's such a shame how the WB treated Everwood. That said...I am kind of glad we didn't get a S5. Like Michellesaid..we were given an excellent series finale (one of the best series finale I've ever seen) and who knows if we would have gotten a finale like that if the show ended after S5, or S6? More seasons always seems a great idea if you love a show, but in the end I would always prefer a great ending over a greater amount of seasons with a terrible ending. This way we can remember the show as the gem that it was. It's always been clear to me that Everwood had way more quality than DC ever had. I loved DC (don't get me wrong), but Everwood had more heart and the characters were more relatable and likeable. I don't like the shipping wars that DC caused. Don't like it at all. It's happening all over the internet. There are other shows with shipping wars, but I have yet to find a show who caused bigger ship fights (mostly including lies and make-up facts) than DC did. I like Rory/Jess on Gilmore Girls, but was never attacked personally for liking them by Rory/Dean, or Rory/Logan fans. I liked Lucas/Brooke AND Lucas/Peyton on One Tree Hill, but was never attacked by the other side. However, when I try to defend Joey/Pacey or Andie/Pacey (I like both couples equally) I get attacked everywhere on the internet. Never really understood why there are A LOT of DC fans out there who always want to make it personal, etc. It's driven me to the point of just enjoying DC in peace, without talking about it in public. It just causes more fights, etc. It shouldn'be necessary in the perfect world though. That's why I will always prefer shows with a big heart over DC. Shows like Everwood, Gilmore Girls, or even One Tree Hill. So if you guys ever think that it's only the Dawson/Joey fans who get attacked online..I'm living proof it goes both ways. Regarding Joey...I loved her. I did think she had big flaws though. No matter who you ship her with...she went back and forth way too often. What was the result? Both Pacey and Dawson acting immature, just to get her back. She never really was able to choose and I disliked that about her. Other than that aspect I never had big issues with her character, though I get why some people dislike her more than I do. The episode she got mugged was actually one of my favorites, but I guess that's an episode that people either love, or hate.

Actually, daytime soap shipping wars and fans can get really nasty and scary. Not all, but it can get bad, depending what site/message board you go on. DC had a lot of the same issues that daytime soaps do, hence so many fractions and nasty shipping wars. I have noticed the made up facts and misusge of words to bash characters for doing things that never happened or acting in ways that didn't. It's not that I hate the episode where Joey was mugged, I hate that the whole episode revolved around her character and the other characters weren't in the episode.

Joey was my least favorite of the DC characters- the indecisiveness was a big pet peeve for me. By the end of the show I didn't believe her when she said she loved someone and didn't really care who she chose. Joey told Pacey that she didn't feel it, wanted Eddie, and walked away from him in season six. She should have of had to work for it to get him back, show him that she was serious. I also don't like how the character was over propped like she was perfect and spectacular and the prettiest female alive and all the guys just had to fall for her.

[TL22]

Originally Posted by Alwayshappy (View Post) I always thought that Everwood would have had more success if it would have aired on ABC. ABC is known for great drama's (including Brothers & Sisters - a series that was quite similiar and far more succeeding rating-wise). CBS is more into crime shows overall, so I don't think it would have been the right place for Everwood. It's such a shame how the WB treated Everwood. That said...I am kind of glad we didn't get a S5. Like Michellesaid..we were given an excellent series finale (one of the best series finale I've ever seen) and who knows if we would have gotten a finale like that if the show ended after S5, or S6? More seasons always seems a great idea if you love a show, but in the end I would always prefer a great ending over a greater amount of seasons with a terrible ending. This way we can remember the show as the gem that it was. It's always been clear to me that Everwood had way more quality than DC ever had. I loved DC (don't get me wrong), but Everwood had more heart and the characters were more relatable and likeable. I don't like the shipping wars that DC caused. Don't like it at all. It's happening all over the internet. There are other shows with shipping wars, but I have yet to find a show who caused bigger ship fights (mostly including lies and make-up facts) than DC did. I like Rory/Jess on Gilmore Girls, but was never attacked personally for liking them by Rory/Dean, or Rory/Logan fans. I liked Lucas/Brooke AND Lucas/Peyton on One Tree Hill, but was never attacked by the other side. However, when I try to defend Joey/Pacey or Andie/Pacey (I like both couples equally) I get attacked everywhere on the internet. Never really understood why there are A LOT of DC fans out there who always want to make it personal, etc. It's driven me to the point of just enjoying DC in peace, without talking about it in public. It just causes more fights, etc. It shouldn'be necessary in the perfect world though. That's why I will always prefer shows with a big heart over DC. Shows like Everwood, Gilmore Girls, or even One Tree Hill. So if you guys ever think that it's only the Dawson/Joey fans who get attacked online..I'm living proof it goes both ways. Regarding Joey...I loved her. I did think she had big flaws though. No matter who you ship her with...she went back and forth way too often. What was the result? Both Pacey and Dawson acting immature, just to get her back. She never really was able to choose and I disliked that about her. Other than that aspect I never had big issues with her character, though I get why some people dislike her more than I do. The episode she got mugged was actually one of my favorites, but I guess that's an episode that people either love, or hate.

You're not going to like this, but I have found the Rory/Jess fans some of the nastiest on the internet, the specific site I'm referring to is IMDB.

Another curious thing is that I have found people who like Pacey/Joey usually like Rory/Jess

To be fair, I need to tell you I am very anti-Jess.

[Forwood4Bamon]

How many fights is PJ going to have about the same things in circles and I'm only at 4.04? I don't see how Joey is making him better. They're not resolving anything after they fight. next episode. So many people hate dawson that's the thing. They spend a lot of time saying how bad he was. The people who ship PJ and PA tend to like PJ more, there's only a couple of people who like PA more. An awful lot of time is spent on how bad DJ was. I just don't get the big attraction and never will. He can do better than her! No other couple fights in so many circles like that and its getting vicious by Self Reliance 4.10. how many fights with no resolving anything? how is that the best couple? He regresses so much with Joey. it's not fun to watch. They're also not funny and he can't have fun with her. This is what i'm viewing. Family Way is on Monday. great another fight. If I had watched this show when it aired, I would have been a PJer. but since I never did and didn't discover it until DVD and POP, I don't really know how PJ is good together. I really don't. I hate paceys jealousy. oh my boat sank. and how he barked at gretchen. and then fights with joey, but never fought for her. hmmm.

[TL22]

Originally Posted by pandiexjeyton (View Post) How many fights is PJ going to have about the same things in circles and I'm only at 4.04? I don't see how Joey is making him better. They're not resolving anything after they fight. next episode. So many people hate dawson that's the thing. They spend a lot of time saying how bad he was. The people who ship PJ and PA tend to like PJ more, there's only a couple of people who like PA more. An awful lot of time is spent on how bad DJ was. I just don't get the big attraction and never will. He can do better than her! No other couple fights in so many circles like that and its getting vicious by Self Reliance 4.10. how many fights with no resolving anything? how is that the best couple? He regresses so much with Joey. it's not fun to watch. They're also not funny and he can't have fun with her. This is what i'm viewing. Family Way is on Monday. great another fight. If I had watched this show when it aired, I would have been a PJer. but since I never did and didn't discover it until DVD and POP, I don't really know how PJ is good together. I really don't. I hate paceys jealousy. oh my boat sank. and how he barked at gretchen. and then fights with joey, but never fought for her. hmmm.

I think you have to realize at that point in the series, no one seriously considered Pacey/Joey. They had the big build up in season three; now they had to move on from Pacey/Joey.

Season four was just about a repudiation of season three. Season three was building up Pacey/Joey and season four was about tearing down Pacey/Joey. Season four ended with Pacey and Joey having the king of all blow ups. At the end of season four Joey was making out with Dawson and Pacey had truly forgiven Andie.

This what confounds me. How can a P/j'er think season four was a great year for their romance; when it was actually the end of them.

I can understand P/J season three. Pacey felt betrayed and he gravitated toward Joey, but in my opinion Pacey as written seasons 1 and 2 would have forgiven Andie, once he realized that he was he was holding a girl who was deemed mentally incompetent to a higher standard.

Many PJ'ers see season four as the defining season of P/J, but in all actually it was the season that ended their relationship. Just about every episode Pacey and Joey had an argument, usually over Dawson. Their relationship deteriorated over season four and as I have said terminated in the grand blow up of Promicide. That episode was written specifically to end that relationship forever; which is why I am mystified that season four is referred to as the great Pacey/Joey romance. Actually it was the end of that ill thought out alliance.