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I think the one storyline that will always bother me is Ephram/Amy breaking up and Ephram taking everything out on Amy after the Madison pregnancy bomb exploded. He says as much during that scene with Andy shortly after he returned from Europe. I wish it all would have gone down differently. I would have preferred Ephram being furious at both Andy and Madison (they were the ones that deceived and hurt him) and more or less just distant with Amy instead as a result. I wish he never would have laughed during that Infinity necklace scene as Amy's heart was breaking. I would have preferred Ephram telling Amy he didn't want to break up but needed time and space. He could have even gone to Europe too. Ephram could have reassured Amy he didn't want to lose her, she wasn't at fault for what went down, but he just needed time away from his father, to gain peace again and to think. Sort of like the end of season 2 when he needed to go to NYC but wanted her to wait for him. It could have kind of went down in that manner. Amy would have been saddened Ephram was leaving and there would have been some drama but not a full on break up. They could have even kept in touch while he was in Europe, especially since Amy's mom was sick as I always found it so out of character that Ephram left without even checking in with Amy and Bright on her treatment/progress. It wasn't just Amy's mom, it was Bright's too. He abandoned them during a really tough time period. I just can't imagine he wouldn't have talked to them about how their mom was doing while he was gone.
Ephram would have returned, they would be slightly out of sync but would still be together slowly working on things... together. I would have preferred this so much. It also would have made sense. Ephram/Amy defeated so many obstacles in their path in the past... Colin's health, different groups of friends, Colin's death, Amy's depression, dating other people... there was no doubt they could get through this as well... we know they ultimately did but not before a break up and restart with Ephram coming across as cold and somewhat nasty. I much would have preferred that they stayed together romantically but took a slight break while Ephram went away and then moved forward together (even with a few kinks) at the beginning of season 4. It would have been the unique and refreshing way to handle the storyline. Plus, we would have gotten Ephram/Amy together romantically for another full season before the series concluded. Last edited by jediwands; 09-19-2017 at 02:07 PM |
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Thanks for the new thread, Koni!! Great question, Michelle. I am going to give it much thought!
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I completely agree with you Michelle. Brilliant post. I never understood why Ephram took out his anger on Amy, who really had nothing to do with the Madison pregnancy reveal and Andy’s ordering Madison not to tell Ephram about her pregnancy. I could understand his angry feelings toward Andy and Madison, but not Amy. His actions toward her after Madisongate were so unnecessarily cruel and hurtful and it did real and almost permanent damage to both their friendship and their romantic relationship, and as a result we never got to see them together again romantically until the very last scene of the very last episode of the show, so as an Ephram and Amy fan, I’ll always feel cheated. What’s worse is that if we had gotten another season of the show, Ephram and Amy still wouldn’t have reunited at the end of Season Four, and we wouldn’t have seen them together until sometime in Season Five, and the Ferris Wheel reunion scene we loved would have never happened, and poor Amy would have been waiting by that Ferris Wheel all alone while Ephram talked to Madison.
I honestly think that Madisongate was a huge mistake and it did nearly irreparable damage to the key relationships on the show, and it made Ephram look like a cruel and heartless person. What I especially didn’t like is unlike the other relationships on the show that came and went, like Andy and Linda, and Andy and Amanda, and Amy and Tommy, we were never allowed to be rid of Madison, who was clearly the most despised character on the show. Ephram and Madison’s relationship was wrong from the start, and it should have just ended and we never should have heard from her again, but instead Madisongate loomed over Season Four like a ticking time bomb and when that bomb went off, it did so much harm to Ephram’s relationship with both Andy and Amy, and in many ways the show was never the same. If Madisongate had to happen, I think the scenario you described Michelle would have worked much better, where Ephram told Amy that he needed some time to sort things out and he needed some time alone, and he wouldn’t have hurt her so heartlessly and unnecessarily, and they wouldn’t have broken up, and we wouldn’t have had to see Ephram and Amy estranged and apart at the end of Season Three and all of Season Four, which turned out to be the last season of the show. __________________
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You're right. Ephram could have left for Europe under less nasty circumstances and when he returned his mind could have been cleared enough to realize that Amy was worth fighting for again. A whole season of those two together would have been so much nicer than the last few minutes of a single episode. |
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Since the Madison storyline did take place I wish it had ended after the shattered heart scene and Madison was never heard from again. Most people would have been okay with that and there would have been less hatred of Madison and her storyline as a result. I guess the show needed a reason for Ephram not to audition for Julliard. If he had auditioned he would have surly made it, so he had to miss his audition. I'm sure there could have been another reason written to keep Ephram from auditioning..something less offensive than Madisongate. Perhaps he got ill. Maybe the cab had an accident. I'm sure they could have thought of something else! Missing the audition could have put Ephram in a funk after all of the work he did and he could have announced to Amy that he needed a break from everything. Hence..his long journey to Europe. |
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Thus, I don't have any sympathy for Ephram here and neither does Ephram. He told Andy shortly after he returned what he did to Amy was horrible and he was wrong. So I don't really think we were meant to support how he acted if that makes sense. He was mature enough to date an adult, get her pregnant, he should have been mature enough to deal with Amy and Delia properly who were innocent and had nothing to do with the nightmare. What I loved is Ephram understood this and told Andy as much regarding Amy shortly after he returned from Europe. I liked that he realized this. It showed growth. Last edited by jediwands; 09-20-2017 at 03:26 PM |
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Hannah was dull as dishwater... So true, Jerry. I know back in the day there were a lot of fans who had severe issues with Hannah. Then on the board some newer posters liked Hannah so the ones who had a problem with Hannah kind of toned it down out of respect for the ones that appreciated Hannah. This board really has always been mature, even adjusting to the tone of the board and opinions of our posters. Well those Hannah stans are gone now so I don't have to be as politically correct. lol I could never relate to Hannah. It was more than obvious Hannah was a version of Rina and as a result, the character was forced on us while Laynie was out the window. I will forever be irritated that Hannah basically dominated the screen in season 3 while Ephram/Amy and their romantic relationship were shoved aside. Rina was essentially writing aspects of her childhood through the character of Hannah and everything else became secondary in season 3 while she was the showrunner. It always made me a bit uncomfortable because it wasn't natural at all. I also found it unrealistic that Amy and Hannah would become BFF (with Amy forgetting about Laynie) let alone Bright falling in love with Hannah too. It was all so unrealistic to me and I could not fully digest the situation. Laynie never should been shoved aside. She should have been around in seasons 3/4. Madison clearly was the biggest mistake of the series. Her mug shouldn't have entered the screen for one second. I would say Amanda ever entering the picture was a minor mistake and even Hannah entering the screen was another minor mistake I believe as well because Laynie should have remained. She was a big part of the series and I will forever be irritated that she was thrown away for a very boring, Mary Sue in Hannah. Last edited by jediwands; 09-24-2017 at 01:09 PM |
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This was discussed a short time ago on the EA thread...
Does it bother anyone that Ephram didn't break up with Stephanie before the Ferris Wheel scene? I don't mean he should have told Amy to hold on a second in order to run and break up with her... lol ... I just mean in general, ideally do you wish we would have found out Ephram broke up with Stephanie either earlier in the episode or the episode before when he clearly couldn't sleep with her because he was still in love with Amy? Thoughts? |
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Great question, Michelle.
It doesn't bother me that Ephram didn't speak to Stephanie before the Ferris Wheel scene. It does bother me that we didn't get to see Ephram speak to Stephanie after the Ferris Wheel scene. I have always wanted to see the after affects of that final scene. I don't believe Ephram had a reason to speak to Stephanie before the Ferris Wheel scene because he had no reason to be sure that Amy still loved him. Ephram felt that Amy and he had a connection after that dance at the Bat Mitsvah, but Bright nixed that idea. So..as far as Ephram was concerned he and Amy were over and although Stephanie could never be Amy...she was cool enough. |
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I just wish for storyline purposes Berlanti would have had Ephram/Stephanie break up before Ephram/Amy reunited. Or maybe they could have gone on a break or were able to see other people. Stephanie might have picked up on Ephram being hesitant and maybe she would suggest they take some time apart or they kept things casual. It wasn't necessary and didn't remotely take away from the Ferris Wheel scene of course. It's just I've read many comments from people saying they wondered when Ephram called Stephanie since she waiting for him to show up. |
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