Everwood - The Everwood Rewatch Fest: "Home" (S1, Ep. 23) - Page 2

Wilpen · 11-13-2009, 12:29 PM

I've been bad and haven't re-watched what I think is one of the greatest episodes of the entire series. I absolutely hope to get to it this weekend in between Dexter and sports, although I am not sure how long this thread will be up, front and center. Nevertheless, I'll find the thread after my re-watch.

**everwoodfan52** · 11-13-2009, 12:49 PM

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I've been bad and haven't re-watched what I think is one of the greatest episodes of the entire series. I absolutely hope to get to it this weekend in between Dexter and sports, although I am not sure how long this thread will be up, front and center. Nevertheless, I'll find the thread after my re-watch.

We're just going to have to convince pushy/bossy 'Tos to keep this thread up front and center.

Wilpen · 11-13-2009, 01:11 PM

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We're just going to have to convince pushy/bossy 'Tos to keep this thread up front and center.

Well, you're also a mod so you can turn all pushy/bossy and demand that it remains.

Lol.

I think it's true that the flu caused people to drop like flies and that certainly had to do with the lack of participation because this episode is Home we are talking about so it's not like it's a boring episode. Just the opposite.

Hopefully the discussion increases in the next couple of days. We owe it to the greatness called Home.

Thief Of Love · 11-13-2009, 01:17 PM

In my case it was for non-health-related reasons, but now it's just down to a completely technical issue that should be resolved some time tonight or tomorrow, so, ha!

...a cry of triumph which I should probably save until after I've actually rewatched.

**everwoodfan52** · 11-13-2009, 02:33 PM

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Well, you're also a mod so you can turn all pushy/bossy and demand that it remains.

Lol.

D

I think I just did.

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..a cry of triumph which I should probably save until after I've actually rewatched

Looking forward to your thoughts, Thief.

**'Tos** · 11-15-2009, 02:28 PM

I just watched the commentary since I'm waiting for you slowpokes (I keed, I keed, heh) and it's such an amazing commentary. The first half is like a party: the cast joking around, enjoying the show and each other. But when the episode gets really heavy in the second half, the party stops and it gets quieter and more emotional with some tears and a bunch of "awww"s to a bunch of moments in the episode. It just gets really heartfelt. The moment where Berlanti says that this is the greatest experience of his life and a few others say ditto is pretty darn awesome.

Oh, and just another thought about the episode: after the "Cathedrals" montage, there is NO way that they could have brought Colin back. You basically have to kill him off after that montage, hee.

Thief Of Love · 11-16-2009, 01:44 AM

That opening monologue? That is why the Irv V/Os existed at all. They were oft superfluous, more than frequently cheesy, but when they were good, they were very, very good. I'll take the bad ones when they give us this, or the one from the Pilot, for that matter -- the bookend quality of the two, taken together, is lovely.

Random thoughts:

- I see a sort of parallel, in Dr. Douglas's anger with Andy for "walking away from his gift," to Andy and Ephram's conflicts regarding the piano. It's quite likely that we're supposed to see this, so this surely isn't any great revelation, but that conversation immediately put me in mind of the Juilliard audition debacle, of all things. Odd the connections our viewing minds will make.

- How do I make sense of the fact that I'm not all that into the Abbotts + Colin road trip scenes -- prefer the Brown family material here -- yet I actually really, really like Colin in them (and in the entire episode, for that matter)? Like, more than at any point in the entire series (not that that's hard, even if I have recently been brainwashed to begin to view his character with a bit more understanding)? This conundrum causes me copious quantities of consternation.

- I'd say the deal was pretty much sealed with Colin's plea to Andy. There's very little dramatic necessity to insert that scene if he weren't going to die, unless we were going to have Andy defy his wishes and allow him to live as a vegetable or in some seriously impaired way, and what would the point of that story have been, coming as it would have on the heels of the previous "Colin came back WRONG!" storyline?

- Oh, man, I don't think I ever even noticed Delia and Nina making up what I presume are "Welcome home" posters before. Gah. Damn you, "Cathedrals"!

(That sounded more blasphemous than I intended.

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- Hmm. Upon rewatch of that final scene, there's very little doubt indeed that Colin has died, but I suspect the trouble I had with it way back when was the sheer fact of not getting the sense of completion that I expected from the episode. It wasn't that I was genuinely puzzled as to what the outcome may have been, but that, after all the tension and drama of the hour, to end things on a technically ambiguous note -- not getting a chance to just hear the words said -- felt about as frustrating as a true cliffhanger would have. And so I wasn't completely sure what to expect come fall, though death did seem the obvious option (at least to most viewers not employed by E! and named Kristin).

**'Tos** · 11-16-2009, 02:15 AM

Yay, another rewatcher!

Just a small thought for now because I'm about to go to bed:

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- Oh, man, I don't think I ever even noticed Delia and Nina making up what I presume are "Welcome home" posters before. Gah. Damn you, "Cathedrals"!

Am I bad person for kind of wanting to see the scene where they find out that they won't need the posters? Not because I want to see the two of them in pain, heh, but even if Delia didn't know Colin personally (I can't recall them having a scene together), I would like to see how she deals with yet another death in her world so soon after her mother. Or just a scene of Nina comforting her, because those two rock together in sad moments. Or happy moments, but they don't really get many of those, heh.

Taryn74 · 11-16-2009, 07:47 AM

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- Oh, man, I don't think I ever even noticed Delia and Nina making up what I presume are "Welcome home" posters before. Gah.

I'm pretty sure they're actually "Get Well Soon" posters (not close enough to my DVD to pop it in and check - and yes, I'm that anal) but...yeah. Totally a 'gah' moment there.

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Am I bad person for kind of wanting to see the scene where they find out that they won't need the posters?

Awww, now that's a sad thought. Not just for Delia, who's had to deal with death and loss way too much for someone her age, but for Nina too since she knew Colin and the Harts and also since she's a parent herself. Your mind just can't help but "go there" with the what-ifs when someone you know loses a child and that is sooooo hard to deal with.

**everwoodfan52** · 11-16-2009, 07:19 PM

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How do I make sense of the fact that I'm not all that into the Abbotts + Colin road trip scenes -- prefer the Brown family material here

I'll make sense of it.....the Brown family material was so much better.

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- Oh, man, I don't think I ever even noticed Delia and Nina making up what I presume are "Welcome home" posters before. Gah. Damn you, "Cathedrals"!

Can someone tell me when Delia ever had any kind of connection or interaction with Colin?

Thief Of Love · 11-16-2009, 07:36 PM

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I'll make sense of it.....the Brown family material was so much better.

Hee, thanks for boiling it down so well, Betty. The Colin/Amy/Bright road trip seems like the story component that gets talked about or remembered more often, but the Browns were the heart of the show at this point. Even beyond Andy telling Ephram the real reason for their move to Everwood, there's just such nice reminiscing and family bonding. So great. Whereas, Colin comes across really well in those other scenes, but it's harder for me, at least, to care as much about their reminiscences because the younger Abbotts just don't compel me that much until S2, and Colin was all doomed and stuff anyway. (Speaking of: can't wait to get to the "Last of Summer" and "Extra Ordinary" rewatches! Especially the latter!)

Thanks for the correction re: the posters, Taryn. And...I don't remember Delia and Colin ever interacting. But I guess, as far as doing a crafts project in his honor is concerned, she knew how big a deal this was for Andy, and that Colin was someone Ephram had ties to, so, adding in the fact that Nina was guiding her endeavor, it makes some sense.

(I am racking my brain now trying to recall if the two were ever even in the same place, though. Was she around at all during that brief period when Ephram and Colin were friendly and studying together?)

**'Tos** · 11-16-2009, 09:32 PM

I think another thing that makes the Brown family material so amazing is that it has all been built up from day one. Ephram finding out the discovery of Andy, finding out about why Andy came to Everwood or learning to drive from his father has all been built up while the bond between Andy and Ephram got better and better throughout the season.

The thing that I think makes it less talked about than the Colin story is that...the Brown story in this episode doesn't directly go anywhere in S2. It's more about where Andy and Ephram are from where they were in "The Pilot". None of these revelations are brought up again. They're not supposed to, of course, but while they help strengthen the Andy/Ephram bond in early S2 (Andy telling Ephram about Colin's surgery in "The Last of Summer" is a moment that can only come after everything that Ephram has learned in this episode), it's very subtle. Everything in the Colin story goes somewhere in a very direct and obvious way. Andy, Amy, Bright and even Ephram are touched in huge ways by what happens at the end of this episode.

ShadowMagist · 11-17-2009, 03:57 PM

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Can someone tell me when Delia ever had any kind of connection or interaction with Colin?

*small voice*

Colin chased Delia around the pool in The Last of Summer.

**everwoodfan52** · 11-17-2009, 04:24 PM

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*small voice*

Colin chased Delia around the pool in The Last of Summer.

That's right!!
We'll take your voice small or big....just post!!!

By the way, Shadow, do you smoke or drink? We're kind of taking a survey in the OT thread. (of course you're not a 20 something yet...but you're getting there.)

ShadowMagist · 11-17-2009, 05:00 PM

Heh. I might post a review or whatever on Home later on tonight. And I'll answer the other thing in the OT thread.