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jediwands

Hey, two mods who are awesome. LOL.

LOL. The Katie C. interview was a complete disaster. Did you see that?

Her comments on seeing Russia from her home, telling an elementary school student that the vice president looks over the senate or whatever she said which was entirely wrong, and other stuff. Man. LOL.

She certainly understands how to read and perform speeches that are in front of her. She is very attractive, personable, is an intelligent person who obviously seems to be a good governor for Alaska overall. However, the problem is she was not ready for this position and McCain was wrong in choosing her. He barely even knew her. So weird, man. Being a governor who was not even affiliated with Washington or deeply into politics as a whole, and being vice president or president of the United States is entirely different. I think it didn't help matters that Hillary is so out there and the comparison between Hillary and Palin is so stunning. You cannot compare. Hillary was ready for the presidency, Palin is not. There's just no comparison. It's like a professional basketball player versus a high school basketball player almost.

My prediction is she will end up getting a talk show on probably conservative FOX News after this ends and she will do a very good job, bringing in tons of ratings, especially on that network. She also has broadcasting experience.

I cannot get over her abortion stance. I want to cringe while thinking about it. It's one thing to be anti abortion, but another to be so extreme about it. She actually thinks incest and rape are STILL grounds for keeping the pregnancy. Even McCain disagrees with that. I cannot understand this stance in the least. I can respect every other thing she believes even if I don't agree with it, like her love of guns, period. I don't agree but I respect what she believes. However, the abortion stance, no way.

Thanks for the Obama/Clinton bit.

McCain's stances on healthcare scare me. People would be screwed under his healthplan. Obama pointed that out so distinctly. He talks about that credit? Well, that credit is so deceiving because unless you're loaded, you will end up having to PAY A LOT under his plan. Sure you would be able to go to any doctor you want to, but you have to also pay for it in the end.

His thoughts on the economy are just not right either. Obama stated it perfectly... the test was already done!

8 years with Bill Clinton? Our economy was outstanding! Americans were living great, things were perfect. I remember back then my sister was looking for a job after she graduated from college and she had her PICK of jobs and it was all due to Clinton.

8 years with Bush? What happened to our economy?

Obama's economic plans are a mirror of Clinton's.

McCain's are a mirror of Bush's.

No brainer who has the better plan for Americans and for the world for that matter.

Sarah Palin does get credit for this.

Honestly, I bet I could sit down, have a beer with her, talk hockey and basketball, and think she's fun and adorable, even. It's just politically... yeah, we'd have to stay away from political talk.

Exactly. I hate how FOX tries to compare Obama to Palin. It doesn't work. And Biden is a master at homeland security, he's been in the senate for years, he's such a great man, so Obama/Biden match up so perfectly.

While McCain and Palin? Ok, McCain... is how old? Should he sadly not be able to be president we would have Palin in there taking his place who knows nothing about homeland security, as well as other things she's just not polished in? That's just such a scary thought.

Oh exactly and the thing is... given what Bush has done with this economy, Obama is going to have to take a long time to get us out of this hole. Even his amazing plans that will succeed are going to take time.

But yes, I adore Obama. Watching the democratic national convention is where I was really won over. Hearing Michelle Obama speak, hearing about Obama's life, it was all so outstanding. Then hearing his plans, and just the way he handles himself. He is so cool, calm, collected, he has the exact formula for what it takes to lead this country.

Right. I think Obama's lead is not as huge as they are making it out to be and I believe at the end of the day, people who are from red states that typically vote republican who are chirping they're going with Obama might change their minds and go with McCain/Palin in the end because you can't change what you think overnight, so I think it's going to be closer than predicted, but Obama will win this thing unless something so rare happens. However, I just don't believe there's time or any momentum for that to take place. Obama's going to win, it's just a matter of by how much although in the end that doesn't necesssarily matter. What does is that big changes, good changes, are happening in the future.

Soooooo sweet, thanks.

It's great to be back, missed you guys!

everwoodfan52

Yes, I specifically noticed that during her vice presidential debate with Biden. She sounded great....but everything was written down for her. She was constantly looking down at her cards. When a question was asked that she did not know...she changed the subject!


That is unbelievable. I also feel really sorry for her pregnant daughter and the boyfriend. There is no way that getting married was her idea. She's like a Stepford daughter....just doing what she's told. Tied down to marriage and a baby at her their age is a recipe for disaster.

jediwands

So true.

I watched the Biden/Palin debate with my parents and there were so many times the three of us looked at each other in disbelief in such a unified kind of way after Palin would say something that had nothing to do with the question being asked. We all had looks of confusion on our faces, big time. LOL.

Seriously, I almost feel sorry for her regarding this. She's just not ready and she wasn't well coached either. Of course going up against Biden is going to expose her flaws all the more. That man can talk about any issue in his sleep, he's polished, knows the deal on everything, so it made her look that much more unprepared and without the knowledge necessary to successfully answer the questions. She's lucky that they didn't have a "debate" in the true sense where they had to go at it, one on one. This debate was less about intimate exchanges, more about answering the questions separately and she still didn't look too great.

Palin's strength is talking energy. She knows everything under the sun about energy, that is so very obvious. She's brilliant in this regard, matter of fact. However, as far as the well rounded knowledge and experience for the job of vice presidency, let alone presidency, she simply doesn't have it.

Thank you! Couldn't agree more. It's so very obvious you are dead on correct about this. There was no choice whatsoever. You just know this based on her upbringing. Getting married that young... I mean maybe it will work out? Statistics say no and maybe she wanted this but my guess is it was never a question of if she wanted the baby, if she wanted marriage, because she was raised with it implanted in her head that should this situation occur, you WILL have the baby, you WILL get married, period. It was surely robotic.

EverPotter

There's that wit, what an opening line for a first post by YOU in such a long time.

My thoughts:

Palin is a complete trainwreck. I honestly don't even care for the woman personally. Whenver I started to despise her was whenever she called Obama a "community organizer" at the convention. I was shocked and disgusted at the same time. There is attacks and there are brutal attacks and that was one of them. Making fun of something like that? He was helping the unfortunate, leave it to a stuck up republican to make fun of that.

She also lead the charge on the terrorist crap at the rallies.

She's brutal.

I agree, Michelle, I could sit down and have a beer with her if we talked about anything besides politics and I'd probably get along ok with her. She attractive too. Like you said, not that it matters but I'm the first to admit I see her on the screen and I think, "pretty" but what comes out of her mouth is crap so her hotness is erased rather instantly.

McCain has been dirty too.

I find it funny how republicans ALWAYS have to play it dirty because they cannot discuss the actual issues since they don't have good stances on any issues. Like the economy, funny how McCain was toast the minute the economy crashed. Because he would only be four more years of hell should he be elected and even many republicans who are converting to Obama know this.

Though I don't even think this is why McCain will lose. It's many things.

Michelle and whoever else watches nightly political shows, do you guys watch certain ones? Just curious.

'Tos

Holy moly, the political thread is thriving today! I'm loving it. Lots of great posts!

Hee. It was a really entertaining disaster, though! In some parts I felt kind of bad because there is just no way she shouldn't be able to answer some of the questions. Other parts, my Obama-fan parts (oh, that sounds naughty) found it very entertaining. Her excuse that they were "gotcha" questions made me not feel so bad, because I don't think Katie Couric tried to "get her" even once! They were basic questions for any politician, never mind a VP candidate. They certainly weren't hardball questions.

But I feel you in almost feeling sorry for her at times, Michelle. She's been thrust into the national spotlight, unprepared, with an energy plan that closer mimics Obamas, with a tax plan with elements that McCain and her would now call socialist, and just a general lack of knowledge on what goes on. It'd be like throwing me in the VP slot. Except I can't see Russia from where I live. If I squint really hard, I guess I could see Seattle, but then there's a ton of buildings in the way. Man, I would have some foreign policy experience if only those blasted buildings would get out the way.

What do ya'll think about the "socialist" charge anyway?

big time. I think that was a big misstep. They chose Palin believing they could capitalize on some of the hard feelings from the primary not counting on two things: (1) that the Clintons would back Obama they way they have, not letting any hard feelings get to them, they have been incredible all campaign and (2) that people wanted Hillary in the white house because she was the right woman. It's not just getting any woman in the White House. We don't want Paris Hilton in, heh. It's getting the right woman in. Palin isn't the right woman. At least not now. She might be someday, but she's got a heck of a long way to go.



Does Anderson Cooper count? Because I love that guy. He's great. He's very personable, when he laughs it's just hysterical. And he's got a good program. I especially like David Gergen and him. They have a good interplay. David Gergen just rocks in general. I believe him when he says something more than anyone. So, that kind of shifted from an AC love to a David Gergen love, didn't it?

There's a mishmash of thoughts. It's too late to get to everything I wanted to, but I wanted to at least contribute, heh.

everwoodfan52

I know that you guys all know who you are going to vote for.....but I was reading this in Parade Magazine this morning and it breaks down all of the important issues in a very simple clear manner....stating each candidates viewpoint....an interesting read.





PARADE Magazine | What To Know Before You Vote

jediwands

Thanks for the info, Betty!

LOL. Thanks.

I was so disgusted by that as well. Really, who does she think she is saying something like that? I get that it was in the speech, she probably had little control over what they wanted her to say but that was tactless, sickening, and pathetic. I loved how classy Obama was whenever we got his reaction to that sick comment. He didn't go with a nasty attack in the least.

I couldn't believe how they were screaming out "terrorist" and "kill him" about Obama and she sat there almost enjoying it. In fact, she promoted it! Terrible.

I agree. Many think it's the economy that has caused McCain's downfall. I don't think that's entirely the case. I believe even if the economy wouldn't have crashed this much Obama still would beat him. I don't like that this is the only assumption as far as why Obama might win. No way. Obama was heading to victory no matter what is what I think and like you said, there's many reasons for this, not just the economy.

Oh yes, I certainly do.

Back to back fun on MSNBC:

Keith Olbermann Countdown

Followed by Rachel Maddow. msnbc.com mobile

They are both outstanding! Keith loathes Bill O from FOX, who he calls "Billo The Clown" and that is so much fun watching nightly.

Rachel Maddow is superb. She had an Obama interview the other night that was absolutely outstanding. That woman's smart, man. So intelligent.

Both Keith and Rachel are close friends as well. Yes, they're both liberal and their wit is spectacular.

Honestly, it's the best two hours I watch nightly.

Tos, I also love AC! I'll catch him later on in rerunland. David Gergen is superb. His analysis is top notch!

Exactly! And LMAO with "my Obama-fan parts."

Katie C is known as a pretty "softball" interviewer! Yes, Katie's liberal so her incentive was to try and rough her up a bit but my God, like you said, they were not difficult questions! I didn't see any trick questions whatsoever and Palin made it seem like Katie was a wolf attacking her! Unreal. I couldn't believe she wasn't able to answer what newspapers she reads! That was absolutely insane.

I find it telling that her hometown Alaskian paper endorsed... OBAMA. That's telling and I guess, embarrassing for her.

Exactly.

McCain is to blame for all of this with regards to Palin. Republicans, or many of them, have stated that McCain has disappointed them beyond words for his pick because they are now forced to either go with Obama and just not vote because they cannot support Palin as a VP, let alone a possible president if that should occur.

McCain really put his party in a tough spot.

So funny!

I was so shocked by her Russia comment. OMGGGGG. That was completely out of the blue, without any point whatsoever, just plain stupid!

First of all I would love socialism here in the US, that's how liberal I am.

But with regards to the socialist charge, it's fricken unfounded and ridiculous. Obama is NOT a socialist, even McCain said so, or eventually admitted. It's just plain ignorance and once again, the republican party grasping at straws, avoiding the real issues since they cannot go there, Obama will knock all of these down. Instead, they have to make untrue charges, trying to create drama in order to knock Obama down. It's stupid.

Obama is the most liberal senator in Washington. Which rocks. LOL. But is he a socialist? No. So lame.

Amen!

Notice how they even tried tying Palin in with Hillary, like the two of them had some deep connection and Hillary's all, "Get the frick away from me, Palin, we are NOT alike, go away now!"

McCain is still using ads with Hillary in there, making it seem like Hillary is somehow on their side, it's so weird!

Hillary keeps knocking them down too! Palin wanted to show up at that rally a while back that Hillary was going to be at so she could talk to her. What does Hillary do? Backs out and doesn't go whenever she had word Palin was going to be there.

Also, the rally with Bill Clinton/Obama was so spectacular.

The republicans were praying that the Clintons and Obama would have these hard feelings and there would be some separation there. Didn't happen. They bonded, everything is cool, Hillary went to bat for Obama, Hillary is swinging a bat AT McCain/Palin, LOL, Bill is talking up Obama, everything is perfectly fine. The republicans worst nightmare took place.

EverPotter

Michelle, toooooootally agree about how McCain failed miserably with his pick of Palin and he let his party down. Also, completely agree that the party wanted trouble between Obama/The Clintons and didn't get it. Not only that, have you noticed how Obama seems all protective of Hillary as well? It's so cute. It seems like he's looking at McCain saying, "She's MY GAL, John, remember that!"

I disliked her already but watching her sit there hearing those horribly offensive, sickening, murderous remarks and even promoting them shows what a moronic dirty fool she can be. There's this line and she crossed it.

Oh and Michelle and Tos, I'm with you guys on your picks of shows! AC rules!

Keith is about the funniest guy, ever!

His 60 minutes each night are all about wit, education, all out fun. I love this guy.

Agree about Rachel. That Obama interview was amazing. You can tell Obama loves her, too. He's all about, "Hey Rachel, you're so awesome, I find you intelligent, witty, so liberal, I love you, girl!"

The best.

I love how he talks in his stupid voice too.

Love this too. So cute.

I know it, soooooooo pathetic.

Doesn't that honestly say it all? Her hometown saying they have no trust in her ability and they want Obama/Biden instead? Speaks all kinds of volumes.

jediwands

I noticed that, too, especially at the dinner thingy they had in NYC. Forgot what that was all about. Anyway, both Obama and McCain attended and they were totally civil. McCain even called out Keith O as being really liberal during his speech which was fantastic while Obama made snippy remarks about conservative FOX news right back at him, it was the best. LOL.

But yeah, I noticed how Obama treated Hillary and he seemed almost proud to say she was "on his side" and it was like a friendly reminder to McCain saying, "Yes she is, got it, John?" LOL.

They claim the Rachel/Obama interview was one of the best interviews of the year. I concur, it was outstanding. She's so wonderful at what she does. She's beyond intelligent, has such wit, she keeps her audience interested and informed at all times as a result, and her interviewing style is superb. Obama really likes her, you can tell.

When Keith does that voice of Bill O I laugh hysterically nightly. It never gets old and I say nightly because Bill O usually makes Keith's top 3 "worse persons of the world" list every night.

I'm so excited for the election. I can't wait to get this thing over with. Get rid of the horrible 8 years, looking forward to the future with new and exciting changes. Yes... we... can.

everwoodfan52

Is this real?


YouTube - Sarah Palin Got Pranked w 'Nicolas Sarkozy' Hilarious! (Full Version) Phone Prank Best Ever!

'Tos

Hee, yes, that's real Betty. The pranksters are from Quebec.

Palin falls prey to Canadian pranksters

Again I shift from feeling bad for her and not, heh.

Wow, I had no idea! I think it makes sense. Even though she's definitely a popular governor, as we've seen through the campaign, her image as a reformer and an outsider has crumbled completely with the ethics issue and things like saying she was against the Bridge to Nowhere when in fact she was for it. Again, she was pushed in the spotlight, and it hasn't been pretty, because the McCain campaign tried to build her up as something she clearly isn't. She's a good politician, she's a great mother, and a whole bunch of other very positive things, but she's less of a "maverick" than John McCain currently is!

And I don't want to make excuses over how she handled the comments people have been throwing out in the crowds like "terrorist" and all that, but I do think part of it has to do with how little experience she would have dealing with things like that. Just another symptom of how she's been pushed too soon.

Good thoughts on the silly socialist charge too, amen to that!

I've actually got the sense that McCain himself started to get pretty disgusted by his own campaign. When he had to tell that lady that Obama is not an "arab" (how sick is it that suddenly being Muslim is a bad thing to some people?) or that people don't have to be scared. I really got the sense there that this whole thing has gotten out of control. He certainly shoulders a lot of the blame on it, but I do think he never meant things to get this far. I don't know, maybe that's my Canadian nice side popping out, heh, but sometimes you just get that feeling that he'd rather not be doing the same ol' Karl Rove campaign, but he's stuck with it now.

And amen to that too.

I wish I had MSNBC to see what you two are talking about, hee. It sounds like something I'd be watching. We're stuck with CNN up here, but I think it's not a bad thing to be stuck with. At least it's not FOX News. *shudders* We don't even get that, which I'm very thankful for!

I'm having such a great time reading your posts, Michelle and Erin.

everwoodfan52

Leave it to those Canadians to think of something like that!


I kind of feel sorry for her. That's pretty mean.

'Tos

Yeah, I felt bad for her too. That was the shift I was talking about. I couldn't keep listening, I stopped after about a minute. It happens to a lot of politicians, though, including the President of France, but I just always find it extremely uncomfortable.

jediwands

Heh. Me too. I do feel a bit mixed but it's funny, then yeah, kind of sad. LOL. But like you said she's not the first politician this has happened to. It really does go with the territory, you need thick skin and she is known to have just that, if she didn't she would have collapsed by now as we know. LOL.

Exactly. There's no doubt she knows how to govern Alaska. People up there are pretty conservative and happy being just that, so Palin certainly serves them well. But there's just such a difference between being the governor of a small state and lets face it, a state that kind of gets the backseat more times than not, versus becoming vice/pres of the United States of America. Way different ballgame.

True, and the thing is, that is the job of a vice presidential candidate... to attack the opposing presidential candidate at rallys and debates so she was doing her job... it just got way too out of hand and the lack of experience didn't help matters either.

I certainly agree with you on McCain. He didn't sign up for this. He has been a bit dirty but whenever it went way past the line, he tried to bring it back in and fast. He was idiotic to keep insisting on having Obama explain his associations with that guy and that group, because it was all only a ploy to deflect the real intention of the debate, which was to discuss the ISSUES. It frustrates me so much how conservatives are KNOWN for skipping out on discussing solutions to problems! Instead, they want to throw anything up against the wall against their opponent in hopes to get at least something to stick.

Notice Obama handily won EVERY debate he had against McCain. It wasn't even close. Obama talked extensively about his plans, never got upset whenever McCain was trying to get under his skin, and McCain came across as, and I'll be frank, an angry old man. It was so blatently obvious. Thus, why the debates did nothing to help McCain's chances.

Good news about FOX.

Oh man I WISH you got MSNBC! You would be in love, I know you, and I know how much you'd LOVE this network! You'd be glued to the TV watching these shows, believe me! Keith and Rachel are absolutely fantastic, and yes, there's a liberal slant BUT they report facts just as perfectly as the rest of them. They just do so with excellent humor that has you rolling while producing tears of laughter nightly.

Right back at ya.