Everwood - Everwood Melting Pot (OT3) #2: Cultural Exchange and International Talk

**Wilpen** · 03-05-2008, 05:04 PM

Everwood Melting Pot (OT3)#2: Cultural Exchange and International Talk

“What sets worlds in motion is the interplay of differences, their attractions and repulsions.
Life is plurality, death is uniformity.
By suppressing differences and pecularities, by eliminating different civilizations and cultures, progress weakens life and favors death.
The ideal of a single civilization for everyone, implicit in the cult of progress and technique, impoverishes and mutilates us.
Every view of the world that becomes extinct, every culture that disappears, diminishes a possibility of life”
- Octavio Paz -

What this thread is about :

If there's one thing Everwood accomplished, it was to bring people together and enjoy a show which spoke to each and every individual because it was a story about family, love and simply about life.

On this particular board, it allowed people from all around the world to bond over a show and share the love for it. We entered endless discussions about the show and what it was trying to say and, as a result, created our own little community. Whether we're close friends or just Everwood pals doesn't matter. We're still a community of people who are linked by our love for this show and, as a result, by our will to exchange and discuss life.

We're coming from all around the globe and that's our wealth.

This thread is intended to be a place to exchange ideas about all our countries : Culture, Education, Habits, Food, Politics and the list goes on.

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It's common knowledge that some sensitive subjects such as politics or religion can turn into war and we don't want that. Discuss, Question a point, Give your opinion but the most importantly : Respect everyone.

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With that, we hope this thread will be a great place to share our cultural and country differences and we hope you'll have fun over here.

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List of Members of this thread by countries :
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USA : Michelle (Wilpen), Angela (AngelaiDanes), Ashley (AppleBehry23),
Jerry D, Alan (The Crow), Gaby (BepperGirl), Erin (EverPotter), ShadowMagist

Canada : Angela (AngelaiDanes), 'Tos, dawnie@

France : Alexandra (buffyannAlex)

Tahiti : Summer (Watch This Smile)

Swiss : Xbel

Poland : Nika (lafcia)

Australia : Coffee

Germany : LoVe-Story, Abomasum

**Wilpen** · 03-05-2008, 05:12 PM

New thread.

Comments from the last thread...

First of all, LOL Thanks Erin.

ICA about Florida and Michigan and apparently so do many people.. news hit today, breaking even:

Both governors, (R) Florida and (D) Michigan jointly are demanding that their people be counted. In fact, both stated they want the delegates IMMEDIATELY applied, not even a redo, the existent numbers they want official. If that takes place, Hillary immediately takes both the delegate and popular vote lead, comfortably even. Now this may or may not happen but at the very least, it seems likely there will be two new elections in both states. Although Obama didn't even show up on Michigans so I'm thinking he might want to put his name on the ballet this time around.

Florida handily would go to Clinton, at least that's what they're saying and, well, technically she already won it.

So Florida/Michigan has to be dealt with and not ignored for sure.

Also I find this very amusing. Bush endorsed McCain today. Shocker. *sarcasm* Actually it was kind of interesting watching politics in motion since they both cannot stand each other for the most part so watching their awkwardness together was pretty funny. More than that, Bush, and his wonderful *more sarcasm* 27ish% approval rating (lowest in history) actually believes his opinion for the republican party is a good thing at this point apparently? Umm I'd say probably not.

He even said something pretty freaken hilarious. He said that he wants McCain to win so much that HE would run against him, I guess that was his witty way of meaning that if he ran against him, given his unpopularity, McCain would win instantly. I have to say, that was worth a laugh or two. LMAO.

Lastly, Hillary was asked on Joe S's show this morning on MSNBC about a possible Hillary/Obama ticket she absolutely IMO hinted at this possibility. Her words were intriguing as it was about her awareness of how much the democrats would be on board, the democratic party included. It was very obvious she understands this and you can tell she's upbeat about it, in fact. Even putting her encouraging words aside, it was her behavior and nonverbal communication that was quite telling as well. Very interesting. I was listening to constant talk about her comments today and many "in the know" truly think that when Hillary won Ohio and Texas last night, she sealed the deal of a Obama/Hillary ticket, it's now a matter of what title each will have. The superdelegates come into play hugely as there's a lot of dealing that goes on behind that scenes so this might already be in the works.

No matter what, democrats would be walking on water if this ticket took place, especially since it's not only historical but even has the recipe for potentially being the best democratic ticket in history of the great USA.

'Tos · 03-05-2008, 05:57 PM

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Both governors, (R) Florida and (D) Michigan jointly are demanding that their people should be counted. In fact, they both stated they want the delegates IMMEDIATELY applied, not even a redo, the existent numbers they want official, period. If that takes place, Hillary immediately takes both the delegate and popular vote lead, comfortably even. Now this may or may not happen but at the very least, it seems likely there will be two new elections in both states. Although Obama didn't even show up on Michigans so I'm thinking he might want to put his name on the ballet this time around. Florida handily would go to Clinton, at least that's what they're saying and, well, technically she already won it. So Florida/Michigan has to be dealt with and not ignored for sure.

Well, I'm glad to see these get a revote, if that happens. I think they should. Remember, no candidates were allowed to campaign there. Not that he didn't show up in Michigan, no one was even allowed, or supposed, to show up in Michigan because they broke the rules. And only Clinton and one other candidates name names were on the Michigan campaign because of the rules. I'm not sure why the others were left out, but it is a case of the states breaking rules rather than Obama deciding to just not go.

So, that's not a real win and I definitely agree that Clinton would have a good shot of winning them now anyway, so, it's better to get a real win rather than a win where no one even campaigned or all the names weren't really on the ballot. She can easily win when the people actually know who they're voting for and getting to hear and see their candidates. I think they should count, and I think she'll win them by similar margins anyway. So why not.

I'll be glad to see it happen. It benefits her, and it benefits the party letting those states get a voice for real this time.

And

about Bush endorsing McCain. I almost want to say poor McCain on that one!

He's going to have even more of a direct dead weight on him than he already did. Bush doing more to mess up everything he touches.

Everwoodian Kopite · 03-05-2008, 06:43 PM

"Howdy there, John! It's Georgie W speaking!"

"Oh, hello Mr. President. How can I help you?"

"I just thought you'd make a mighty fine president, and I just wanna say I support your campaign with all my heart, and the remaining parts of my kidneys!"

"Oh, erm... Thanks a lot Mr President"

Later, at the McCain campaign's headquarters...

"Which one of you useless twats gave Bush my phonenumber?!"

'Tos · 03-05-2008, 08:20 PM

Kopite , you are HILARIOUS! That is awesome! "Georgie" is what I bet he calls himself.

**buffyannAlex** · 03-06-2008, 02:55 AM

Why aren't Florida and Michagan votes NOT counting up until now ? I don't understand why at all. isn't it not fair that those are ignored ??? I'm clueless here.

**Wilpen** · 03-06-2008, 10:48 AM

LOL Kopite.

Alex the situation in Michigan and Florida is REALLY complicated and I don't totally know how to explain it but officially both states had their elections at times that the DNC never approved. Why? I really don't know. So I understand WHY they weren't made official, but I think it's retarded that they weren't made official so I essentially blame both states for not following the rules. However, they are important since it's not fair to the voters who went out and voted first of all, and just in general they should be counted. Howard Dean was on MSNBC this morning and he explained that something WILL happen with Michigan and Florida, it's just a matter of how and when. The talk is holding new elections around Junish I guess.

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Well, I'm glad to see these get a revote, if that happens. I think they should. Remember, no candidates were allowed to campaign there. Not that he didn't show up in Michigan, no one was even allowed, or supposed, to show up in Michigan because they broke the rules. And only Clinton and one other candidates name names were on the Michigan campaign because of the rules. I'm not sure why the others were left out, but it is a case of the states breaking rules rather than Obama deciding to just not go.

Exactly. Well basically Michigan is to Clinton how Vermont was to Obama, though. Obama knew it would have been a state that would automatically go to Hillary so that's why he didn't even put his name on the ballet. He bypassed it even if both agreed the campaigning wasn't happening which was their decision, not the DNC. But it was one of those states that had Hillary's name on it just like Vermont had Obama's name on it. Florida has Hillary's name on it, too. Not that Obama would just give up and ignore both states should new elections happen but he knows she's going to prevail in both (some states you really do just know) so it would just be a matter of him trying to get some delegates in both.

Also, there's just so much talk about a Hillary/Obama ticket and the talk mainly is about how the ticket seems almost MANDATORY in the sense that this election is sooooo close so what's going to happen? About 50% of democrats are going to be disappointed. That's half of our party! It screams Hillary/Obama being a joint ticket so that EVERYONE is happy. Also, the common theme that's going on right now is you ask a democrat who they want, Hillary or Obama, and so many will say, "I really don't know, I like both, I can't decide, it's so tough!" Or it flip flops and one minute it's Hillary, the next it's Obama.

To sum up, democrats are REALLY perplexed and having a hard time picking between the two since they BOTH bring so much to the table. We are blessed having two amazing choices but on the other hand it sucks since we're being forced to decide.

Thus a joint ticket? Stops our brains from having to work in overdrive.

EverPotter · 03-06-2008, 06:30 PM

Michelle your post is awesome as always. I loved the read.

The Michigan/Florida situation is ridiculous and those votes need counted. I don't get why Obama wouldn't have even put his name on the ballet, I think that's pretty lame, but then like you said he knew it was Hillary's state anyway combined with the fact that it wasn't going to be counted. But yes, Michigan and Florida are Hillary's. You just know that.

I also love your Hillary/Obama ticket thoughts, dude. Absolutely.

I saw that Hillary interview. So compelling. I love her. I can't state that enough.

Who does your Angela want btw? I know she's also American and given that you're American my guess is she's interested as well. What's her preference if she has one?

**buffyannAlex** · 03-07-2008, 04:10 AM

I heard someone saying that as attractive as an Obama/Hillary ticket was, it wasn't necesseraly a solution since it would somehow fragilize the presidency, her being a woman and him being black, and maybe the future president would need somehow to counterbalance that and bring some reassurance ?
I don't remember exactly what was said so I'm probably twisting the words a bit, so it probably wasn't "fragilize" but I wondered what you guys thought of that ?

Also, do you think one of them would be okay with being vice-president of the other? i can't imagine hillary being Obama's vice president ? what do you think ?

**Wilpen** · 03-07-2008, 08:42 AM

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Who does your Angela want btw? I know she's also American and given that you're American my guess is she's interested as well. What's her preference if she has one?

Hillary, all the way.

EverPotter · 03-07-2008, 08:48 AM

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Hillary, all the way.

Did I mention how much Angela rocks?

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I heard someone saying that as attractive as an Obama/Hillary ticket was, it wasn't necesseraly a solution since it would somehow fragilize the presidency, her being a woman and him being black, and maybe the future president would need somehow to counterbalance that and bring some reassurance ?
I don't remember exactly what was said so I'm probably twisting the words a bit, so it probably wasn't "fragilize" but I wondered what you guys thought of that ?

Who said this, a republican?

I've never heard of this and I entirely disagree with it, too. It seems to be the best solution for our democratic party for endless reasons, I can't imagine one negative reason and I've never heard of one negative reason until this time. lol.

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Also, do you think one of them would be okay with being vice-president of the other? i can't imagine hillary being Obama's vice president ? what do you think ?

That's an intersesting question and that's obviously the biggest issue. The DNC is salivating as well as democratic Americans for the ticket, but will either be okay as vice? Who knows, according to her interview she seemed way more positive about it, though, so I take that as a good sign. She's also not stupid, 8 years as vice means president after that, too. Same with Obama.

But the thought of a Hillary/Obama ticket is delicious and it's what we want, the question that remains and determines whether it happens is if Hillary/Obama would agree to it. That's what it's all about.

**buffyannAlex** · 03-07-2008, 09:15 AM

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I've never heard of this and I entirely disagree with it, too. It seems to be the best solution for our democratic party for endless reasons, I can't imagine one negative reason and I've never heard of one negative reason until this time. lol.

I had never heard it before either and I thought it was somehow weird, but then I thought maybe I don't get the culture so that's why i don't get this. Probably the guy was high then

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But the thought of a Hillary/Obama ticket is delicious and it's what we want, the question that remains and determines whether it happens is if Hillary/Obama would agree to it. That's what it's all about.

Thanks for the explaning

I guess it must be hard for either of them to back down now and "settle" for vice president since they both have a clear shot at being THE candidate. So it's definitely a hard decision.
But politically, I know they're both democrat, but do they share the same kind of politics ? Would they be able to work together ?

**Wilpen** · 03-07-2008, 10:34 AM

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Did I mention how much Angela rocks?

Thanks.

Speaking of joint ticket talk I'm watching MSNBC and they're saying Hillary has a sizable lead in Pennsylvania and even though Obama will do very well in Philly she's going to rock in most other areas. I have loads of extended family in western Pennsylvania not too far from Pittsburgh so I kind of know these areas and which ones are Hillary infested with Obama cleaning up most of Philly. But they said this is Hillary's state to lose, she's in command, and as an Ohio native and ties to Pennsylvania I do know that both states are a lot of like with the people, politics, etc. So what you saw take place in Ohio is very close to what's going to happen in Pennsylvania, it's almost guaranteed.

Anyway, what I really wanted to say was MSNBC just reported that Hillary was campaigning today and some young woman walked up to her and said something close to this:

Woman: I wish i could vote for both you and Obama, I like you both!

Hillary's exact words: You know, that might be possible someday.

Okay thats HUGE. If she's not pointing towards a possible joint dream ticket, I don't know what else it could be. Interesting enough, they even addressed if either would take the vice position willingly and the response was very clear and made a ton of sense. Typically in American history Americans do NOT base their votes on the vice presidential nom, it's almost always about the presidential nom.... until this year.

This year is a very special circumstance because never in history has the democratic party been this passionate, never have we loved two candidates this much and had such a difficult time choosing which one we prefer more, it's all "firsts" that are taking place. With that being said, if this dream ticket takes place, sure there needs to be designated titles but essentially this would be the most connected "as one" ticket in history of the United States. So the mentality all around would be different and special.

**buffyannAlex** · 03-07-2008, 12:07 PM

That's true, it's definietely a unique situation and interesting to follow as a result

**Wilpen** · 03-09-2008, 11:44 AM

Yeah, definitely. I've gone back and forth so much with this, yes I'm a Hillary girl but if Obama gets in it wouldn't be the end of the world, and I know I'd like him. My obsession right now is the joint ticket since I see American democrats struggling right now, people are going back and forth, people like both, it's SUCH a hard decision yet it's awesome to be in the position of having two beautiful options. It's rare even for a passionate demoncrat wanting one candidate pretty clearly saying they dislike the other, for sure. I'd say 90% of American democrats like both, might lean to one but could easily lean to the other. Honestly there's some that are saying that one day they're all about Hillary and the next day they're all about Obama. This has never happened in history of American politics for either party! I guess there are certain things that speak loudly even without words and I truly believe American democrats are screaming joint ticket, it's the best option for so many reasons. I hope it happens.