RM01

Ugh this is so true.


Going back to the Gretchen point, it still surprises me that they never had him lose his virginity to her. Obviously I initially expected it to be Joey but after the writers robbed the DJ fans of that moment, I thought ok surely it's gonna happen for him now with Gretchen.

Jerry D

Once Williamson left, it was the end of the show.

I read an interview with James Van Der Beek once where he said at the beginning of Season Three a new head writer came in who hated the show and wanted to change things up, so we got the Eve storyline and Pacey and Andie breaking up and Jen becoming a head cheerleader and Jack becoming a football star, and it all turned out to be a disaster, so at the mid point of Season Three they fired that head writer and dropped all those storylines, and then they came up with the triangle from hell.

Jerry D

Dawson wanted to sleep with Gretchen but Gretchen knew that he was doing it more to get back at Pacey for sleeping with Joey so she turned him down.

RM01

He had so much potential. The whole show did...

If the same thing had happened to Dawson, I would've called it a very bittersweet ending. I would've thought, yes he got the girl, but at what cost? To look at it in a reversed way, Dawson looks like this pushover boyfriend that has dropped everything to live out Joey's dreams and accepted Joey to continue her 'friendship' with Pacey even though everyone knows there will always be something more there. His insecurities were there and were never addressed so we are left to believe that he would forever remain in this state of paranoia any time Joey had seen or spoken to Pacey. I wouldn't consider this a happy ending for my favourite character.

RM01

That explains a lot. Although doesn't explain the stupid triangle idea.

RM01

I wish they would've written it differently. For me, the show revolves around Dawson and Joey (and in that order). Once Joey had lost hers, I expected similar timing for Dawson. Not a whole season later.

Jerry D

The two words I always use to describe Dawson's Creek is Wasted Potential.

By the time the Series Finale came around, the writers and producers had destroyed everything that I loved about Dawson and Joey so if they ended up together, it wouldn't have meant much to me. I hated how the writers depicted their relationship as something unhealthy and as something that was holding the both of them back in the earlier seasons, and I hated how the show ended by giving an empty nod to them being soulmates while having Joey end up with Pacey.

semmafightsellie

mostly its this andie cheated and dawson sucks.

jediwands

So disgusting. Season 5 was embarrassing and it truly was Joey’s Creek. Dawson was given one of those little plastic children’s swimming pools as a parting gift.

I will never understand why TPTB loved Katie so much. You’d think she looked like Audrey Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Kelly. Oh but they tried comparing Joey to Audrey Hepburn. I’m shocked they didn’t say she was a combination of the three women I listed.

jediwands

Agreed. Even some PJers admitted it felt like two different shows. Of course they said they thought the second show was better. When I was feeling especially daring, I’d ask them if that meant they preferred watching shows with really low quality.

Jerry D

Rachel, you've said this before, and I'll say this again: We don't care what "they" say, and we don't want to see "Andie cheated and Dawson sucks" on this thread, even if you're repeating what the idiot P/J Twitter crowd is saying. This thread is for fans of Dawson and Joey and Pacey and Andie.

jediwands

But the funny part is they still kept writing Pacey as an idiot screw up. In S6, he gets embarrassed yet again when Joey pushed him aside for Eddie of all people and then the moron loses all of Dawson’s money. It’s just interesting how they loved Josh/Pacey yet continued writing Pacey as practically incapable of living life. They never wanted him to be S2 Pacey which blows my mind since it was the best version of Pacey by far.

Agreed. It was very strange. I wish Dawson would have lost his virginity in high school. I wonder if they wanted Joey to “win” at this over Dawson too. So strange.

jediwands

Thanks for the reminder, Jerry.

COOLCAT200

One scene I liked in S3 was Joey watching the video Dawson gave her of them meeting as kids. It was very cute to see that.

Jerry D

Even in the Series Finale, Pacey was having an affair with a married woman and who got beaten up by her husband and his goons. So right to the end, with the exception of Season Two, Pacey was shown, like you said Michelle, as an idiot screw-up.