Everwood - Everwood Fans who are Dawson/Joey & Pacey/Andie Fans of Dawson's Creek #28: We all hate how bad this show became!

***Jerry D*** · 01-05-2021, 04:17 PM

This is an appreciation thread for Everwood fans who are also Dawson/Joey & Pacey/Andie fans. For those who shipped these pairings, the series once had such great promise, but ended up being one of the most disappointing series to date. TPTB enjoyed manipulating the heart and soul of the old school (seasons 1/2) Dawson's Creek audience, who embraced the premise and the main pairings of the show; Dawson/Joey and Pacey/Andie fans. The first two seasons defined Dawson's Creek. Season 3 came along and the show simply wasn't the same anymore. New showrunner who essentially mocked the premise, destroyed the main pairings, and was basically just fine with dropping the quality in order to make the series his own. We know the drill. Discussing our main pairings, as well frustrations over storylines, writing, TPTB, fandom in general, is all welcome here.

Note: This is not a debate thread with other ships. This thread is strictly for Dawson/Joey & Pacey/Andie fans to appreciate the pairings and discuss aspects of the show, both good and bad. This thread was originally created to celebrate friendships between a couple of regulars on the Everwood board who, back in the day, posted on the Dawson's Creek board and encountered some terrible fan wars and not so great moments. We wanted a safe place to discuss our thoughts here on the Everwood board. That is how this thread was created. Jerry D, our amazing Administrator, and my very good friend, came up with the idea and the rest is history. For those of you who ship other pairings and don't agree with the content of this thread, of course there's the Dawson's Creek board and other threads scattered throughout Fan Forum perfectly designed for you.

Thanks!

Credit Xelphia Kenny:

Alternate S5 & S6 : He made a solemn promise he would come and visit her. Hell, he even jotted it down in indelible black ink onto the crisp pages of her brand new journal while wearing a big toothy grin on his face, but regardless, it had been months since Pacey had made any contact with Andie. Andie forced herself not to overthink it and chalked it up to life getting in the way, but the smallest embers inside of her heart that yearned for him still despite everything that happened between them started to prickle at the back of her head. Although once the orientation process at Harvard was over and the real work began, Andie’s thoughts of Pacey Witter were sidelined in order to make room for the mountains and mountains of schoolwork she was receiving on a daily basis.

That was until, out of the blue, Pacey literally came sailing back into her life looking tanned, well rested, and even more gorgeous. Andie vowed to never let herself fall back in love with Pacey, she made an ironclad pledge to herself to never stray back into that hornet’s nest, but his soft, warm gaze pointed in her direction had Andie convinced his heart was remembering the way it used to love her.

She was one hundred percent correct in her assumptions.

The laughter between them settled into a deep warmth and easiness, and they talked well into the wee hours of the night and gradually, the intimacy they once coveted as a couple so long ago had returned to their bodies in triplicate. It started with Pacey’s hand brushing up against hers when she handed him a magazine from a convenience store shelf, which then evolved into their hugs becoming longer and more needy each time they touched. Soon enough, Pacey did the unthinkable, and asked Andie a question she never thought she’d hear again in her life from him…

Pacey Witter had asked her out on a date.

At first, they had both agreed to not invest too much of themselves into the date, stating an urge to take things as slow as they could in order to protect themselves from any harmful fallout, but Pacey and Andie’s mutually intense bedroom eyes that screamed “make love to me.” seemed to tell another story altogether. The immense pain of potentially opening up old wounds over how their relationship crumbled in the past fell to the wayside as Pacey and Andie ended up having passionate, raw, soul searing sex in Andie’s shower. Every single iota of mistrust, devastating heartbreak, and bad memories in their past circled its way down the drain.

And as Andie sat by her vanity, drying her hair and watching Pacey getting ready for bed, she smiled to herself. At long last, she finally felt like she could breathe again.

Fic Links that TL22 supplied and commented on:

1.Kiss Me Chapter 1, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

This takes place at the end of season four. It's my very first P/A story. two short chapters. My version on how the graduation could/should have went.

2.Thanksgiving, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

A short interlude of what could have happened between seasons three and four.

3.Finding True Love Chapter 1, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

Fourteen chapters of what could have happened in the future. I wrote it over two years. The story starts season three when Pacey is getting ready to sail away. The end of chapter one has a unique twist, I think you'll enjoy.

The following is by ElizabethBella who wrote a fantastic Pacey/Andie story. (My favourite)

Come Sail Away Chapter 1: Separate, and apart, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction
This is a multi chaptered story, you won't be able to put down.

The next is another one of my favourites written by the very talented StevieLuvsAlex

No amount of time, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

The next is a two part Pacey/Andie story written by me and StevieLuvsAlex. The first part is hers and the second part written by me won't make any sense if the first part is not read. Very very short

Everything happens for a reason, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction
Written by StevieluvsAlex

Everything Happens For a Reason part Two, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction
Written by me and takes up where Everything Happens For a Reason leaves off

https://www.fanfiction.net/story/sto...toryid=7420836

This is a glimpse of Pacey, Andie, Joey and Dawson when they were very young. The story is two parts..

The next link is by the author Makesmyheadspin. IT is a bitter sweet story and really captures Pacey and Andie.

Fate is The Hunter, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

Fan Fic Written by Jerry:
Ghosts

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WHY I WILL NEVER BE A FAN OF PACEY / JOEY

The first two links will take you to a collection of D/J stories and the last link to a collection of P/A stories:

https://www.fanfiction.net/community...nd-Joey/27781/

https://www.fanfiction.net/community...-Always/33166/

https://www.fanfiction.net/community...Fanfics/45942//

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2101505/1/Wandering-Heart

**jediwands** · 01-05-2021, 04:21 PM

Thanks so much!

I’ll add the link, etc.

The title is perfection.

***Jerry D*** · 01-05-2021, 04:31 PM

From the last thread:

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Posted by RMadrid4LIFE

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...?adppopup=true

Sasha Alexander who played Pacey's sister and a love interest for Dawson; stated in an interview the only time she saw Joshua Jackson sad, mad and upset, was Meredith Monroe's last day on set.

Kerr was being interviewed by a British magazine and he was asked the question, who did he fancy? Katie or Michelle. Kerr's reply was the girl who plays my sister, Meredith Monroe, She's absolutely stunning. Meaning he thought Meredith was the one he'd fancy.

Meredith Monroe in other TV shows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T8zKOmF2O4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x51x6rDIdiU

RM01 · 01-05-2021, 04:31 PM

Bringing this over from the other thread.

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He only came back to write the Series Final as a publicity stunt, and everyone expected him to write a Dawson and Joey ending and he did write a Dawson and Joey ending until Stupin talked him out of it. He admitted that he had never watched the show after he left it.

Ohhh I had thought he came back for all of season 6. Thanks for clarifying. Ugh even worse to find out that he actually didn't even watch the show since he left. That's probably what Stupin would've used as his leverage. Like hey dude you haven't been around for like 5 years, trust me, I know what I'm doing....

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Mid-Season replacement shows are traditionally filler shows, and Kevin Williamson was the man of the hour back then, so Dawson's Creek was green-lighted, but I honestly don't think he ever expected, or wanted, the show to be picked up, and when it was, he was already working on other projects so he didn't devote himself to the show in Season Two like he had devoted himself to the show in Season One and it showed.

Thanks for explaining that, it gives me a much better understanding on the circumstances surrounding the quality of the writing.

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Exactly. Since Dawson and Joey had united romantically with their kiss at the end of Season One the "Will they or won't they" aspect was gone, so they broke them up to try and recreate that excitement, but in doing so, they destroyed their friendship and ruined the characters, especially Joey.

Someone wrote somewhere something like, if Joey from Season 1 knew Joey from season 6, she would hate her. And I think that's true. I think that accurately depicts just how much of a mistake they made with Joey.

Edit: sorry Jerry, realised you already uploaded it. Feel free to remove this one.

RM01 · 01-05-2021, 04:33 PM

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Exactly!

Wasn’t it problematic at times the writers almost made it seem like there was a true romance between them? It was so gross and made me feel so uncomfortable watching it play out. You are right... Season 1 was great but that’s the one thing that was unnecessary and absolutely horrible. Then the witch returns in Season 2?! What the hell were the writers thinking there? Embarrassing. Vile.

That's what grossed me out the most. You see silly short term storylines in other shows with a teenager going for an adult (which are still stupid and gross) but it's never implied as a genuine romance. This show on the other hand made them an actual couple and almost made it seem that it was ok that they were together

***Jerry D*** · 01-05-2021, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RMadrid4Life (View Post)

Bringing this over from the other thread.
Ohhh I had thought he came back for all of season 6. Thanks for clarifying. Ugh even worse to find out that he actually didn't even watch the show since he left. That's probably what Stupin would've used as his leverage. Like hey dude you haven't been around for like 5 years, trust me, I know what I'm doing....

I feel that's exactly what happened.

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Thanks for explaining that, it gives me a much better understanding on the circumstances surrounding the quality of the writing.

You're welcome! Kevin Williamson has become infamous for never finishing what he starts. He did the same thing with The Vampire Diaries.

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Someone wrote somewhere something like, if Joey from Season 1 knew Joey from season 6, she would hate her. And I think that's true. I think that accurately depicts just how much of a mistake they made with Joey.

That's so true.

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Edit: sorry Jerry, realised you already uploaded it. Feel free to remove this one.

No, that's fine.

I deleted my post. Thanks!

***Jerry D*** · 01-05-2021, 04:37 PM

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That's what grossed me out the most. You see silly short term storylines in other shows with a teenager going for an adult (which are still stupid and gross) but it's never implied as a genuine romance. This show on the other hand made them an actual couple and almost made it seem that it was ok that they were together

Yes, and neither party suffered any real consequences for their illicit and illegal affair except that Tamara left town.

RM01 · 01-05-2021, 04:41 PM

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From the last thread:

Thanks TL22 for providing those bits of information. It's nice to hear how much the cast liked her. Which makes it all the more sad that they got rid of her. I'm surprised she even agreed to come back in the finale. Then they screwed her over again by cutting her scene. This show has no shame once again

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***Jerry D*** · 01-05-2021, 04:46 PM

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Thanks TL22 for providing those bits of information. It's nice to hear how much the cast liked her. Which makes it all the more sad that they got rid of her. I'm surprised she even agreed to come back in the finale. Then they screwed her over again by cutting her scene. This show has no shame once again

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That show had no shame and no sense of decency.

RM01 · 01-05-2021, 04:47 PM

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It is so gross! I remember watching it for the first and only time and felt so dirty... I can’t explain it? It felt filthy and cheap. Ick. :

I am almost curious to see it now

. But my DJ heart does not want me to go through it

.

***Jerry D*** · 01-05-2021, 04:48 PM

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Thanks so much!

I’ll add the link, etc.

The title is perfection.

I'm sorry that I forgot to add all the opening post stuff. I was about to eat dinner and I was in a hurry. Thanks for doing it!

**jediwands** · 01-05-2021, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RMadrid4Life (View Post)

That's what grossed me out the most. You see silly short term storylines in other shows with a teenager going for an adult (which are still stupid and gross) but it's never implied as a genuine romance. This show on the other hand made them an actual couple and almost made it seem that it was ok that they were together

Exactly!!!

I have no idea what they were thinking. It was so gross. The hurricane episode Pacey and his predator are sneaking around almost making fun of Doug, the police officer brother too. It really is like the writers made it into this cute little romance. Shame on them for going there.

***Jerry D*** · 01-05-2021, 04:48 PM

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I am almost curious to see it now

. But my DJ heart does not want me to go through it

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Oh you never saw it either? Good for you!

RM01 · 01-05-2021, 04:49 PM

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That show had no shame and no sense of decency.

I am curious to know, what did the females of the show think of her?

**jediwands** · 01-05-2021, 04:52 PM

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I am almost curious to see it now

. But my DJ heart does not want me to go through it

.

Trust me, it’s gross and all but I didn’t feel upset as a DJer since it was such a joke and the entire time Joey, as usual, is thinking about Dawson. I still have no idea how PJers like those scenes, especially the morning after. I think it was merely used as a way to show that Joey was still hung up on Dawson. She looked so miserable and was deep in thought after the experience. It was not like how beautiful it can be for someone to lose their virginity. She looked like she needed therapy after going there with Pacey.

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