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Old 10-03-2017, 03:42 PM
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Nice discussion, guys. I can barely keep my eyes open (slept only 2 hours last night) so I'm going to nap before dinner and then tackle this thread. Looking forward to it!
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Nice discussion, guys. I can barely keep my eyes open (slept only 2 hours last night) so I'm going to nap before dinner and then tackle this thread. Looking forward to it!
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What do you think is the worst storyline that each of the core 5 had?
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What do you think is the worst storyline that each of the core 5 had?
Do you mean in the sense that it was a bad time for the character or that you hated this storyline and wished it didn't happen?
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What do you think is the worst storyline that each of the core 5 had?
Nathan with Nanny Carrie...really anything with Nanny Carrie.
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^^^^^^^^^ totally agree about Nathan and Nanny Carrie!


Lucas telling Peyton that he hated her or having sex with Nicki. We can include his entire relationship with Lindsey! lol

Brooke's numerous cruel remarks to Peyton.


Peyton running through red lights or having to deal with Psycho Dereck.


Haley going on tour with Chris and not communicating more with Nathan during that time.
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^^^^^^^^^ totally agree about Nathan and Nanny Carrie!


Lucas telling Peyton that he hated her or having sex with Nicki. We can include his entire relationship with Lindsey! lol

Brooke's numerous cruel remarks to Peyton.


Peyton running through red lights or having to deal with Psycho Dereck.


Haley going on tour with Chris and not communicating more with Nathan during that time.
I love all your answers, Betty.

1. Lucas telling Peyton he hated her pissed me off so much.
2. Lucas, a little crying boy running from Peyton in seasons 1/2/3 and then later well after high school doing the same thing with Mister Ed/Lindsey was even more annoying because he was many years older and still went there... and again, see 1, the hating her line was horrible. I know he said I hated her since it was easier than saying he loved her... the episode title said as much... still he was a grown up and should have just been mature instead of immature.
3. Brooke being Brooke Davis... borderling socipathic in seasons 1/2/3. No idea how anyone likes her in those seasons.
4. The tour thing sucked due to lack of communication. I would have been fine with Haley going on tour (she deserved to, just like Nathan went away for pro basketball) but the communication was bad and kissing Chris was unacceptable too.
5. Nathan and Nanny Carrie. Terrible.
6. Peyton dealing with disgusting Brooke in the early seasons, having a stupid father who thought it was okay leaving her alone, her mother died, another mother died, psycho Derek. Peyton arguably had it the worst yet had a heart of gold. I sound like a broken record but this is why it bothers me that Jerry thought she sucked in season 5! He has to see 1-4 to know that's not true AND get filled it on Saint Brooke in season 5 (who was better sure) because it's difficult totally forgetting about what she pulled in seasons 1-3, little of 4 too.
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Yeah, disregarding things that doesn't match up to the way you think your favourite would act is just annoying imo.
Exactly!

I just find it impossible to explain away Brooke seasons 1-4, parts of 4 but especially seasons 1-3. How do you explain her behavior as anything but disgusting given what she did to Peyton and at times, even Lucas? She manipulated everything! She cried victim after torturing Peyton and even Lucas. She was just horrible. You cannot explain away her behavior! All the Brooke stans have on Peyton is the two kisses... BUT without admitting Brooke instigated the entire situation. Funny how that works. The entire story isn't told. But they cannot punch at Peyton's heart yet think Brooke was just fine and an ultimate victim in the early seasons. Right on.
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that's what gets me Michelle! I'm not trying to have a hate thread on anyone, but it got to the point of embarrassment. Brooke was always seen as the victim. Yes, she was cheated on and no one should be cheated on no matter how bad the relationship is or if the relationship had anything to go on to begin with. But her behavior of making fun of Peyton's mom's deaths, yeah, both of them. Then manipulating Lucas into whatever her evil plan of the week was and Peyton just going along with it to keep the peace. It was aggravating.
Totally. Brooke created the entire mess. Lucas shouldn't have taken the bait but Brooke came at him in such a severe way. To be honest, when Brooke was offering herself to Lucas in the car, I would bet 8 or 9 out of 10 teen guys would have hit it with her immediately. Lucas said no, Lucas was respectful. He tried so hard to get away from her advances but she beat at him until he finally gave in. She went there after she knew he was the most vulnerable too (feeling rejected by Peyton). She was a manipulating witch in every sense of the word.

Brooke and Brooke alone created the entire mess from the start. Imagine if she would have stayed away from Lucas and not pushed Peyton away from him... Lucas and Peyton would have worked things out and probably dated throughout ALL of high school. Instead, Brooke made sure there was chaos and drama instead.

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Brooke was alone, I get it. The episode in season 3 when they were meeting with college guidance counselors and Brooke said she loved high school. Her friends were there, her cheer squad was there, her life was there. She had NO IDEA what she was going to do afterwards because she hadn't found her passion yet. She was scared, HELL, WHO ISN"T!? But blatantly ruin people's lives to make herself look better, inexcusable. I cannot believe people can defend her like she's saint whatever. But that's not all. They treat Brooke like a saint and Peyton like the devil. Like it was Peyton's fault that Brooke's parents left Tree Hill and her alone in that big house. Peyton was alone in a big house too. Is it Peyton's fault that Brooke woke up with a hangover every weekend, two times a week. No, It's Brooke's fault, she is in charge of her own actions. I still get riled up because people trash a character to make someone else look great. Guess what, trash Peyton all you want, because Brooke is still trash.
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Amen. You're bang on about eventually Brooke not really wanting Lucas but only being with him so Peyton couldn't be with him. I really believe this. In fact, I could even come up with a theory that she found him hot and nice in season 1 and he was merely a challenge for her... because she wanted to see if that nice, intellectual boy would be willing to date her. I think it made HER look and feel good that she finally got his attention. Brooke never acted like she wanted to make things work with Lucas either time they tried. She always felt unsure and acted like the victim about one thing or another. They fought, had drama and had sex. That was basically what they did. She never truly tried to make it work with Lucas. I think he was a good catch but then after the catch she didn't know what to do because she knew they didn't balance each other out and there was nothing of substance between them. She wasn't stupid, she knew they didn't share an emotional connection like Lucas/Peyton did. She made Lucas feel guilty for it but she knew she played a part too but ignored that part of it! It was his fault. Everything was the fault of Lucas or Peyton, no one else. Brooke never took responsibility for any of her actions and it made me sick.

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The network salivated over Chad and Sophia being on screen lovers and in real life. Every Brooke and Lucas fan remarks to Season 2 as when they fell in love. Well, I guess so. The actors went on their real emotions. Season 2 wasn't about Brooke and Lucas, relationship wise, it was about Chad and Sophia. The way he looked at her, the way they were together. It was Chad and Sophia and it was not Brooke and Lucas. I know I'm jumping a head a bit because it's commentary on Season 1. But I think it's relevant in Season 1 because Chad and Sophia were together in Season 1 as well, and that's where that chemistry came from then too.
Just stupid and so unnecessary. Chemistry is subjective but I never saw any amazing chemistry between them on screen. I always felt it between Chad/Hilarie as Lucas/Peyton. They sold me immediately. I never felt a thing between Chad/Sophia as Lucas/Brooke and I was clueless back then and didn't even know they were dating either. I still felt nothing during that time period and even finding out they dated, got married for about two seconds, then divorced I still felt zip, nada, nothing. They didn't have horrible chemistry but I was bored. I didn't feel it but part of that could be because Brooke and Lucas were a joke romantically. I just couldn't take them seriously.

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Brooke was clueless! "are you mad at me". How delusional is this girl?! Of course she's mad at you! Peyton knows Lucas would never get a tattoo. She knows Lucas wouldn't get drunk if he was out with REAL friends. Peyton knew Lucas even before Brooke knew the name Lucas Scott. She, like the rest of them, called him Nathan's brother...or the other Scott. Brooke had to remind herself that Brooke was her best friend. Like it had to be said fifty million times for someone to believe her. Besides the cheating thing, Brooke did make herself look like an idiot. Tree Hill is a small town, I'm sure people would talk. And I'm sure if Karen hadn't left for Italy, Brooke would never have done that mess. Lucas was rebelling and Brooke was all too happy to accept, legs wide open and all!


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Exactly! We have to keep on Jerry to watch the first four seasons. We have to. We have to stick to him like glue and make sure it happens.

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I think if Brooke wasn't the way she was, you know, selfish. Lucas might've found a way to not be with Peyton those two times. That damn necklace!?! I still hate that damn necklace Lucas was looking for something he could be happy about, bring a smile to his face in the middle of class, in the middle of reading a book. Reading about a character that reminded him of the girl he loved and having a smile on his face. Sorry, Brooke didn't measure up to found in a book...she was found in other places
Right! So true!

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That's why I hate that Brooke and Peyton got so close again after Season 4. It's like the damage has been done. It makes Peyton look weak and vulnerable to call Brooke her best friend. She named her daughter after her and even put her in the wedding as maid of honor. That's what upsets me. They don't have a friendship, they shouldn't even be friends. Peyton is put down the rabbit hole for what she did, why not Brooke? Everyone calls Brooke's acts of nature "growing up" and call Peyton a bitch. So why is that, why is Peyton always the martyr and Brooke is the victim.

I liked the Peyton/Haley friendsdhip a lot better than I did Brooke/Peyton. They were friends on a more honest term. They never belittled each other and were honest with each other. I'm not trying to say Haley is better because Brooke is awful, but it was more that Peyton and Haley had common bonds and interests and not just boys...although there was one boy they had in common lol

They like rewrote history down the road too, but I guess we'll discuss that later
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I definitely need to watch the early seasons, and then I'll post my thoughts!
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you can say whatever you want Rachel. I was with you in the times of BL on the OTH board. Yeah, it was insane, probably still is to some degree of whoever is still posting there. But yeah, your opinion, my opinion, Michelle's opinion, Betty's opinion Jerry's opinion (when he visits ), it all MATTERS. We all matter. We're not gonna shoot down your thoughts, although we may not agree with them. But there's a really great term around here, agree to disagree and move on. Yeah, sometimes I still get the urge to fight to the death for my favorite characters and against other opinions, but I remember they have hearts and minds just like I do. And we respect each other's hearts and opinions.
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That's why I hate that Brooke and Peyton got so close again after Season 4. It's like the damage has been done. It makes Peyton look weak and vulnerable to call Brooke her best friend. She named her daughter after her and even put her in the wedding as maid of honor. That's what upsets me. They don't have a friendship, they shouldn't even be friends. Peyton is put down the rabbit hole for what she did, why not Brooke? Everyone calls Brooke's acts of nature "growing up" and call Peyton a bitch. So why is that, why is Peyton always the martyr and Brooke is the victim.
I hate that so much. Brooke was never held responsible for anything. Most friendships would break given what Brooke did to Peyton in season 1 but later on when Brooke went into Satan-mode, laughing in Peyton's face about her mother dying? Peyton should have punched Brooke in the face, not once, not twice, but three times and then dumped her a$$ for good. Peyton never should have spoken to Brooke again. Brooke didn't deserve being Peyton's friend. Peyton should have dumped her and never looked back.

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I liked the Peyton/Haley friendsdhip a lot better than I did Brooke/Peyton. They were friends on a more honest term. They never belittled each other and were honest with each other. I'm not trying to say Haley is better because Brooke is awful, but it was more that Peyton and Haley had common bonds and interests and not just boys...although there was one boy they had in common lol
Haley/Brooke friendship made me sick. Brooke treated Haley like a loser during the early part of the series and Haley couldn't stand Brooke. Haley spoke for us or the fans who had a clue. Then the only reason they shared a space together was because Brooke, as usual, had to use someone for her benefit. They didn't have a real friendship. It was convenience.

Haley and Peyton bonded from day 1. In the episode when they are stranded, they couldn't stop talking, they just naturally fit together and that's the way it always was between them.

Yet what happened? We were force-fed Haley/Brooke way more than Haley/Peyton since Saint Brooke could do no wrong and deserved everything while never accepting responsibility for being a very ugly person in those early but very important years. Drives me crazy.

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