jediwands

Nice discussion, guys. I can barely keep my eyes open (slept only 2 hours last night) so I'm going to nap before dinner and then tackle this thread. Looking forward to it!

stlavin95

Looking forward to your replies

stlavin95

What do you think is the worst storyline that each of the core 5 had?

everwoodfan52

Do you mean in the sense that it was a bad time for the character or that you hated this storyline and wished it didn't happen?

break the window

Nathan with Nanny Carrie...really anything with Nanny Carrie.

everwoodfan52

^^^^^^^^^ totally agree about Nathan and Nanny Carrie!


Lucas telling Peyton that he hated her or having sex with Nicki. We can include his entire relationship with Lindsey! lol

Brooke's numerous cruel remarks to Peyton.


Peyton running through red lights or having to deal with Psycho Dereck.


Haley going on tour with Chris and not communicating more with Nathan during that time.

jediwands

I love all your answers, Betty.

1. Lucas telling Peyton he hated her pissed me off so much.
2. Lucas, a little crying boy running from Peyton in seasons 1/2/3 and then later well after high school doing the same thing with Mister Ed/Lindsey was even more annoying because he was many years older and still went there... and again, see 1, the hating her line was horrible. I know he said I hated her since it was easier than saying he loved her... the episode title said as much... still he was a grown up and should have just been mature instead of immature.
3. Brooke being Brooke Davis... borderling socipathic in seasons 1/2/3. No idea how anyone likes her in those seasons.
4. The tour thing sucked due to lack of communication. I would have been fine with Haley going on tour (she deserved to, just like Nathan went away for pro basketball) but the communication was bad and kissing Chris was unacceptable too.
5. Nathan and Nanny Carrie. Terrible.
6. Peyton dealing with disgusting Brooke in the early seasons, having a stupid father who thought it was okay leaving her alone, her mother died, another mother died, psycho Derek. Peyton arguably had it the worst yet had a heart of gold. I sound like a broken record but this is why it bothers me that Jerry thought she sucked in season 5! He has to see 1-4 to know that's not true AND get filled it on Saint Brooke in season 5 (who was better sure) because it's difficult totally forgetting about what she pulled in seasons 1-3, little of 4 too.

jediwands

Thanks! Getting caught up now.

jediwands

Exactly!

I just find it impossible to explain away Brooke seasons 1-4, parts of 4 but especially seasons 1-3. How do you explain her behavior as anything but disgusting given what she did to Peyton and at times, even Lucas? She manipulated everything! She cried victim after torturing Peyton and even Lucas. She was just horrible. You cannot explain away her behavior! All the Brooke stans have on Peyton is the two kisses... BUT without admitting Brooke instigated the entire situation. Funny how that works. The entire story isn't told. But they cannot punch at Peyton's heart yet think Brooke was just fine and an ultimate victim in the early seasons. Right on.

jediwands

Totally. Brooke created the entire mess. Lucas shouldn't have taken the bait but Brooke came at him in such a severe way. To be honest, when Brooke was offering herself to Lucas in the car, I would bet 8 or 9 out of 10 teen guys would have hit it with her immediately. Lucas said no, Lucas was respectful. He tried so hard to get away from her advances but she beat at him until he finally gave in. She went there after she knew he was the most vulnerable too (feeling rejected by Peyton). She was a manipulating witch in every sense of the word.

Brooke and Brooke alone created the entire mess from the start. Imagine if she would have stayed away from Lucas and not pushed Peyton away from him... Lucas and Peyton would have worked things out and probably dated throughout ALL of high school. Instead, Brooke made sure there was chaos and drama instead.

Agree with your every word.

Amen. You're bang on about eventually Brooke not really wanting Lucas but only being with him so Peyton couldn't be with him. I really believe this. In fact, I could even come up with a theory that she found him hot and nice in season 1 and he was merely a challenge for her... because she wanted to see if that nice, intellectual boy would be willing to date her. I think it made HER look and feel good that she finally got his attention. Brooke never acted like she wanted to make things work with Lucas either time they tried. She always felt unsure and acted like the victim about one thing or another. They fought, had drama and had sex. That was basically what they did. She never truly tried to make it work with Lucas. I think he was a good catch but then after the catch she didn't know what to do because she knew they didn't balance each other out and there was nothing of substance between them. She wasn't stupid, she knew they didn't share an emotional connection like Lucas/Peyton did. She made Lucas feel guilty for it but she knew she played a part too but ignored that part of it! It was his fault. Everything was the fault of Lucas or Peyton, no one else. Brooke never took responsibility for any of her actions and it made me sick.

Just stupid and so unnecessary. Chemistry is subjective but I never saw any amazing chemistry between them on screen. I always felt it between Chad/Hilarie as Lucas/Peyton. They sold me immediately. I never felt a thing between Chad/Sophia as Lucas/Brooke and I was clueless back then and didn't even know they were dating either. I still felt nothing during that time period and even finding out they dated, got married for about two seconds, then divorced I still felt zip, nada, nothing. They didn't have horrible chemistry but I was bored. I didn't feel it but part of that could be because Brooke and Lucas were a joke romantically. I just couldn't take them seriously.



Exactly! We have to keep on Jerry to watch the first four seasons. We have to. We have to stick to him like glue and make sure it happens.

Right! So true!

break the window

That's why I hate that Brooke and Peyton got so close again after Season 4. It's like the damage has been done. It makes Peyton look weak and vulnerable to call Brooke her best friend. She named her daughter after her and even put her in the wedding as maid of honor. That's what upsets me. They don't have a friendship, they shouldn't even be friends. Peyton is put down the rabbit hole for what she did, why not Brooke? Everyone calls Brooke's acts of nature "growing up" and call Peyton a bitch. So why is that, why is Peyton always the martyr and Brooke is the victim.

I liked the Peyton/Haley friendsdhip a lot better than I did Brooke/Peyton. They were friends on a more honest term. They never belittled each other and were honest with each other. I'm not trying to say Haley is better because Brooke is awful, but it was more that Peyton and Haley had common bonds and interests and not just boys...although there was one boy they had in common lol

They like rewrote history down the road too, but I guess we'll discuss that later

Jerry D

I definitely need to watch the early seasons, and then I'll post my thoughts!

Jerry D

Don't worry, I'll visit!

jediwands

You do, you do, you do, you do, you do, you do, you do. Please do.

jediwands

I hate that so much. Brooke was never held responsible for anything. Most friendships would break given what Brooke did to Peyton in season 1 but later on when Brooke went into Satan-mode, laughing in Peyton's face about her mother dying? Peyton should have punched Brooke in the face, not once, not twice, but three times and then dumped her a$$ for good. Peyton never should have spoken to Brooke again. Brooke didn't deserve being Peyton's friend. Peyton should have dumped her and never looked back.

Haley/Brooke friendship made me sick. Brooke treated Haley like a loser during the early part of the series and Haley couldn't stand Brooke. Haley spoke for us or the fans who had a clue. Then the only reason they shared a space together was because Brooke, as usual, had to use someone for her benefit. They didn't have a real friendship. It was convenience.

Haley and Peyton bonded from day 1. In the episode when they are stranded, they couldn't stop talking, they just naturally fit together and that's the way it always was between them.

Yet what happened? We were force-fed Haley/Brooke way more than Haley/Peyton since Saint Brooke could do no wrong and deserved everything while never accepting responsibility for being a very ugly person in those early but very important years. Drives me crazy.

Sounds good!