Jerry D

We'll have to see! I do have some friends here that are Brooke and Lucas fans! I got to know some of them when I used to help moderate the Spoilers board! It got so bad that we had to give the Lucas and Peyton and Lucas and Brooke Spoilers fans separate threads and make the main One Tree Hill Spoilers thread a Spoilers only thread with no commentary because the fighting got so bad!

ds44

I remember I used to post on the LP SS thread. I have no love lost for those group of fans because they did some horrible things like thread invading and destruction of property.

stlavin95

4.09 was awesome reward for Leyton fans, I just wish we didn't have to go through two seasons of BL for it lol.

stlavin95

Okay, I think Season 1 & 4 are the best seasons out of the high school years, with season 3 not far behind them and the less said about season 2 the better. Season 1 to 4 should definitely change your feelings of Brooke haha What Lindsay said to Peyton about the school shooting was way worse imo because unlike Peyton, she knew exactly what happened there and still went there anyway. Doesn't mean I like what Peyton said, but they were both pretty horrible to each other in that part of the show imo. Kinda hard to think that Chophia played no part in going back to BL considering they were clearly planning to end the triangle at the end of S1 and the ending of 2.10 (the episode were Luke's 'feelings' for Brooke were revealed) made no sense whatsoever, and that is still true today.

stlavin95

Season 5 definitely isn't the best season for Peyton and the first 4 seasons (& S6) show her in an much more positive light imo. It's the same with Leyton really.

Sounds good, definitely would have preferred that to what we got and hopefully Peyton is out of that situation in that version of it.

Sounds like Sophia haha and I'm wouldn't really be surprised if she confused that some fans who claim that Brooke is their favourite character, but then ship her with a guy who treated her as badly as Luke did.

I respect them for that too haha.

Honestly, even if it wasn't for Julian who Peyton dated, I don't think they should have wasted flashbacks on it. Hilarie definitely loved her music, and that's why she connected with that side of Peyton so easily. I think Peyton was just an much better written character from Luke since they mostly focused on relationships for him and plus it was obvious once they lost the basketball aspect for him, they really struggled to find something to replace that void for his character and Chad was aware of that imo.

I would have preferred for them to end in 5.02 after Luke found out about the book singing It annoyed me that Mark tried to parallel S1 BL and LL in this situation, since no one wanted to see that lol.

jediwands

It's possible but I sincerely hope not. The only Dawson's Creek character I can compare her to would be Abby Morgan and I still would have taken Abby over Brooke! At least Abby didn't have close friends she messed with. Brooke claimed to be Peyton's best friend and did everything in her power to degrade, torture her in those early seasons. Seriously, I was worried about the sanity of many fans when they admired Brooke for being a manipulative, heartless witch that she so obviously was in the early seasons. Even later seasons Brooke came across as a victim. Those supposed good stories she had with Angie and Sam.. if you analyze those closely Brooke did some very weird things there and as usual, she made it all about her. But seasons 1-4 (especially 1-3) she was a nasty witch and there's no other way to state it.

jediwands

Season 5 Lindsey was a complete joke and the actress clearly states as much.

When Sophia and Michaela both state their characters were awful how do you not listen to them? LOL They know best. Sophia was concerned for people who liked high school Brooke. She said as much more than once. Michaela pegged Lindsey to perfection. Lindsey was not a good person in that library scene, or any of her scenes for that matter concerning Peyton. People fell for it though. I didn't. Lucas should have been called out for it. Anyone that believes Lucas/Lindsey had a nice relationship wasn't paying attention. He was doing the same thing with Lindsey that he did with Brooke... he was hiding behind it. Lucas should have been called out. Anyone that believes Peyton was the issue in season 5 simply wasn't watching closely enough or just had something against her. Haley and Lucas both should have apologized to her. Lindsey, well thankfully Mister Ed left anyway (although her stay was way too long!) but she should have fessed up that she was anything but angelic too.

jediwands

I remember when the OTH board first got started. A couple Brooke/Lucas fans were so nasty. One of them was permanently banned for how horrible she was. There might have been BL and LP wars but for the most part LP fans wanted to be left alone. BL fans invaded like you said. BL fans knew they had the lack of substance so the next best thing was trying to tear down and spoil it for Leyton fans. There's a reason why the Lucas/Peyton thread has one of the largest post counts in all of Fan Forum. People wanted to stick to that thread. Brooke/Lucas thread isn't even close to that number because they were too busy attempting to cause trouble on other threads!

jediwands

Me too! 4.9 is one of my favorite episodes of the series. The Brucas revisit was a joke. I can't watch any of their scenes even on the rewatch very closely because it's all so stupid and boring. I would have been okay if they had some substance. They had sex and fought... ohhhh what a relationship.

jediwands

It would sincerely have to.

People conveniently ignore it. I think most people (Brooke stans and Brooke/Lucas fans) ignored what Lindsey was up to because they figured if Brooke couldn't be with Lucas then let's vote for Lindsey. Thus, they couldn't SEE the character of Lindsey for what she was. They were just too determined to take Peyton down because their ship wasn't going to sail.

jediwands

What I hated was the insinuation that Peyton did something wrong by wanting to postpone marriage with Luke. Lucas leaving like a little bit$h was so lame and ridiculous. They should have communicated better, even Peyton should have chosen her words better when she turned him down but gave him the someday/later answer... That said, I didn't like the inference that Peyton was wrong not to immediately accept Luke's proposal. I wanted 6.1 to address that... even Lucas very briefly stating he never should have left LA and they would have worked it out. He never should have gotten mad at Peyton for returning to Tree Hill all because he still loved her and it was difficult for him to be around her... so he essentially took it out on her. I wanted Luke to fess up in 6.1.

That too. Brooke was horrible in seasons 1-4 but Lucas treated her like garbage too during both joke relationships. His heart never left Peyton.

So true that Peyton was a better written character than Luke. Overall, that is so true.

Exactly. You are right, Lucas/Lindsey should have ended even that far back! They were worthless. I can't believe how much time was wasted on them. It's really freaken annoying. Lucas could have helped Nathan with his struggles instead. So much was sacrificed for a fake relationship that was never lasting.

ds44

S4 is one of my favorites not only for lp, but peyton and lucas as individual characters. I also thought CMM and hilarie brought their A game in s4. That finale is one of my favorite finales of the series.

While Brooke was nasty in the first four seasons, there were moments of light. I'd take Brooke as a character over Blair any day of the week.

ds44

S4 is one of my favorites not only for lp, but peyton and lucas as individual characters. I also thought CMM and hilarie brought their A game in s4. That finale is one of my favorite finales of the series.

While Brooke was nasty in the first four seasons, there were moments of light. I'd take Brooke as a character over Blair any day of the week.

jediwands

Totally agree about Chad and Hilarie bringing their A game in season 4. They shined. You could tell they were on board with Leyton. They believed in their story. Yes, Lucas and Peyton both had good storylines for their characters as well in that season. I kind of wish the series finale was the season 4 finale. I love what we received in season 6 though for Leyton but season 4 felt like a good stopping point too.

If Brooke wasn't messing with Peyton so much I would have just let her be the Abby Morgan of the show and even laughed her how witchy she was. But my issue is what she did to Peyton directly. It was not cool. Brooke laughing/making fun of Peyton's deceased mother was pure evil. She had zero remorse/guilt! When a decent, loving human being hurts someone they supposedly care about, they get hurt too, guilt automatically happens. When Brooke went evil making fun of Peyton's dead mother she took pleasure in going there and never felt an ounce of guilt. That is telling. That witch should have apologized. Then again, how can you apologize for such an evil act? An evil act she couldn't have cared less about.

stlavin95

Brooke and Brucas stans ignore anything that doesn't match up to the view of certain things that they have built up in their head.

I can't really watch BL scenes normally lol and I'm honestly going to skip the second half of season 2 when we get it that on the rewatch on the OTH board. BL are true wuv remember that