everwoodfan52

I just watched Episode 1.6 because you guys were talking about it on the "What are you Watching?" thread.
Like you said, Samuel, the interaction between Haley/Peyton and Lucas/Nathan was outstanding and the best part of the episode. This was the ice breaker....the beginning of a possible friendship between these pairings. They really opened up to each other like never before. It was wonderful.
Jerry...this was a really good example of the difference between Peyton's character in the early episodes and Brooke's character. It was night and day!
I love this episode and will miss being able to get on my laptop and just watch on Neflix whenever I want.

jediwands

Nice thoughts, Betty.

Peyton is a decent, kind, human being.
Brooke is a stuck up, mean, poor excuse for a human being.

I loathed Brooke when she created this tension and pain:

Poor Haley. How cruel could Brooke be? How does Brooke have any fans in season 1? Seriously. I cannot figure out what people could relate to. Did they like how mean she was? How much chaos and pain she caused people? What did Haley ever do to her? That's just cold basically saying Peyton wouldn't give Haley the time of day in public. Brooke is awful. The irony is Brooke obviously doesn't know Peyton because Peyton would be the last person to be stuck up and not nice to people. Brooke is just awful. I bet Peyton and Haley laughing together that night was the first time in forever Peyton ever relaxed and had some fun. Before this time she was stuck in a borderline abusive relationship with Nathan, had lame Brooke for a friend, mother deceased and father neglecting her out of town all the time. It's shocking Peyton didn't have major psychological issues. She finally got to laugh and have some fun and of course the witch Brooke was around to make Haley feel like a pile of sht and spoil it.

stlavin95

I hate the Bengals more, but I do understand why you hate the Ravens. Whose is someone had decent potential but was pretty underwhelming together? That's the Browns to me lol.

stlavin95

Me either, just drama I guess.

stlavin95

They definitely could have been great friends if they actually spent the time focusing on it imo and Brooke grew up in the way she treated her friends.

stlavin95

Yeah maybe that was Mark's love for Sophia shining through? Considering all of that and how much Brooke's ass got kissed in the later seasons, it doesn't really surprise when people say Brooke/Sophia was his favourite.

Haley would have worked too, Nathan would have worked better imo since he wasn't even really friends with either LP at that point in S1 and yet he could see LP's feelings being there.

jediwands

LOL That's true. I wish pre-Super Bowl stuff was counted in there with everyone because Cleveland gathered a ton of championships back then when my dad was very little. They were the Pittsburgh Steelers of championships basically. It's weird because the second the Super Bowl was incorporated, bam, Cleveland's championship run was done and then Pittsburgh took over.

jediwands

Exactly. Instead, we received a one-sided friendship that was never even ultimately fixed. Band-Aid's were put over the wounds but they never ultimately healed from what happened in high school. Seasons 5/6 basically were a calm period (still without really tackling the past, they would never forget) and then seasons 7-9 were Brooke basically randomly complaining that Peyton abandoned her.

Wasted potential.

jediwands

I really think both the character and actor were his favorite. There's no other way to explain it.

Nathan would have absolutely worked too.

stlavin95

Yeah, it's weird that they don't count them tbh since I know the NRL down here does with NSWRL.

stlavin95

Yeah. the show would have gotten a lot closer to reaching that potential if they actually dealt with the issues instead of just sweeping them under the rug.

stlavin95

Yeah and that started before Hilarie left imo.

Would have been great way to show much Luke/Nathan had developed over the season too.

stlavin95

Would love to talk about it more, but it gets boring talking about something that horrible after a while

jediwands

That's good and yes, they really should. There's so many people who have no clue what the Cleveland Browns accomplished before the Super Bowl came to be.

jediwands

Yep. I guess when the network got involved and they tried to force feed Chad/Sophia (thus, the Brucas revisit) we should have known that actual quality and continuity in the triangle storyline wasn't going to happen.