Something just doesn't add up... most people would never return to anything affiliated with a job that supposedly someone mistreated them in some way. It just doesn't make sense if she felt so strongly and had to leave, why she'd return in any capacity even indirectly to a job she was leaving and made strong accusations against before leaving. Doesn't make sense. Plus, it's weird that these accusations haven't been pursued and followed up either... why isn't the media running with this if there's truth to it? They would be the first to want to bite their teeth in a story like this and get down to the bottom of who mistreated, what happened, etc. Yet it's being swept under the rug for some reason. Plus, if it was so bad it's strange her fellow co-workers wouldn't come out and support her either. There has been nothing like that. Something just doesn't add up, part of the story is missing, or we don't know the true story. I feel this very strongly too.

I think I've asked this question every year around this time for about 6/7 years now. LOL

Are there any new shows coming up in the Fall that you plan on checking out?

I think I've asked this question every year around this time for about 6/7 years now. LOL

Are there any new shows coming up in the Fall that you plan on checking out?

I guess we'll never know what really happened. All I've heard for years was that she was let go (years, literally since the show ended, it's all I've heard from a majority consensus) and that's why when she was pursued to return more than once she never did, along with being busy too. I guess we don't know the truth in this either because for years the speculation had been Mark wanted both Chad and Hilarie to return in those last seasons but they didn't until Chad did on his own in season 9 (and Mark took it out on Lucas in that episode) During that specific episode discussion thread live, everyone discussed all of this... such as Mark not doing Hilarie right by letting her go, Chad leaving as Hilarie being a package deal, etc. People were frustrated that Hilarie wasn't in the episode too since it was so bad even Brucas fans didn't mind seeing Leyton again since the show had gone off track so much. Thus, why he was pissed and wrote Leyton in a passive aggressive way via Brooke's lines most of the time. You'd have to closely watch seasons 7-9 to see how vividly obvious it is that Mark was taking something out on them. It's very clear he felt frustration regarding something because over and over again he's writing Leyton like they are in bliss alone and don't care about anyone else for the most part. It's strange and obvious. I also can't wrap my brain around Mark ever destroying Leyton and that was the big talk too... he didn't want to have Leyton with anyone else because they HAD to end up together, it was his happy ending for them so I just can't see him wanting them to end tragically and not together. He's stated and maintained in endless interviews Leyton was meant to be/endgame. I don't think he'd ever go against this reality since Leyton was his baby.

The main problem with me not buying the whole Mark fired Hilarie is his own bitterness, since in my eyes it makes no sense whatsoever for him to pissed that at her leaving if he was the reason for it. It doesn't make much sense when Hilarie herself they aren't and that she chose to leave the show alongside Chad and it wouldn't have surprised me if it got to an point in the negotiations if they both agreed, if one of them left, the other joined them too. . Mark definitely loved Leyton but I think he loved Peyton's character more, which he showed by outlining an storyline for S7 Peyton and even though he wanted LP to have their happy ending, he definitely still wanted Hil/Peyton on the show and that's face it, he liked watching her suffer. Overall, I'm glad that Hilarie left the show at that point so LP could get their well deserved endgame and I wouldn't have enjoyed Peyton being an single mother every week, and Hil probably wouldn't have either.

I agree that Haley should have gone on that tour, but I didn't like the way she handled the situation and also hated the writing for the whole storyline came off as an poor Nathan storyline. IMO, the writers should have thought of an different reason to get Haley/Joy offscreen in S2.

I agree with this. Something does not add up. If she was not on the wrong (like 100000 % not on the wrong) she would have said something till now IMO. Unless they made her sign some disclosure, but I am not sure that she would have agreed to that.

I know that it will sound bad, but I just picked up one thing once it was known that she would leave the show. I felt like it was her choice and it was a result of something she did as well. I always felt that it was mutual between sides where both sides did something wrong and felt that it's better this way. And Jesse's sister's comment lead me to the same direction as well. As well as his reaction.

On Instagram some fan is constantly blaming Jesse for cheating on Sophia with Torrey (the actress that was in PLL). Jesse never answers to those comments. He does not delete them and it seems like he is not blocking the person either. Basically no reaction from him. And the fan is accusing him of all kinds of stuff which sucks a bit because there is no proof so far. Even if he is with Torrey, there are no official pictures to prove it. His sister answered once and basically told that fan they don't know what they are talking about and Jesse is happy now and his family support him and basically sounded like he is better now that he is not with Sophia. I assume Jesse told her something because then his sister apologized. Said fan also apologized.

It was really weird situation but it made me believe that whatever happened between Sophia and Jesse was basically mutual where both did something wrong or both realized that they should not be together. I would not be surprised if something similar happened with Sophia leaving the show.

I personally don't know of or have any fall time shows I want to check out. I am open for suggestion!
I have been focused on fantastic Netflix shows at the moment.

Alan...I don't understand how you watched Season 1 of The Killing...liked it, but chose not to watch season 2. Weren't you curious about who the killer is?

Look at this: One Tree Hill Exclusive: Chad Murray, Hilarie Burton Not Returning | TVLine

It goes along with the theory that I mentioned in the other thread that Mark tried getting them to return and both declined for season 8, with Hilarie citing family and White Collar too. Mark admits he tried getting them to return and seems disappointed. I believe that's when Brooke was the character used to take out his frustration too. I am not sure how it all went down but I am just so glad my ship sailed and got endgame. They received a beautiful happy ending and that's all that matters to me. Seasons 7-9 were not great and the series should have ended earlier but that's okay.

Yes, the tour storyline was very dramatic and I wish it didn't have to be. While it did make sense for Haley to follow her passion, her art, the communication issues and how everything went down was tough. Plus, that moment with Chris was stupid too. I didn't like Nathan almost committing suicide, it was so extreme.

It seemed like it was turning into one of those shows that never told you what was going on. Plus, it came on AMC, and I always forgot it was on.