The Crow

We definitely differ here. I got the impression that Rory romanticized a lot of her mother's experiences, especially since she was writing the book, and was seriously considering just recreating that experience with her own child. It's like she thought "My childhood was awesome, and I love the weird relationship that I have with my mom," without really considering the hardships that young Lorelai almost certainly went through raising a baby on her own. I think she was hesitating to tell Logan because she knew that he would 100% want to be in that baby's life, and she isn't sure she wants that. Maybe ASP was going for a L/C and L/R parallel, but it didn't work for me.

Then again, I've always thought that Logan was more invested in their relationship than Rory ever was, so that's probably not surprising.

jediwands

I think a lot of people go with the Logan = Christopher parallel because ASP said Logan = Christopher. She's said as much even way before the revival got started. So I think those that say as much are going into the writer's eyes/brain and seeing it that way because the creator has stated more than once this is how she sees Logan.

I didn't really see Rory happy with Logan. I saw it as self sabotage to be honest. She was going there because she was unsettled in her life. She also couldn't have liked Logan wanting to put her up in a hotel while he continued to cheat on his fiance or using a home of Logan's dad's to write so Logan could go visit her and they'd continue cheating on fiances and significant others.

I just didn't see Rory as happy or comfortable. The first time I saw Rory happy was when she started getting her career back on track and she was free from all the secrets and lies.

jediwands

ASP was going with the LC and LR parallel. Her own words about Logan being Christopher so it would seem like that was the attempt.

However, I think Logan would take responsibility for the baby if given the chance, unlike Deadbeat and what a screw up he was with this and everything else in his life. I also believe Logan did have romantic feelings for Rory and might have left his fiance had Rory said the word. However, I did find it weird that he saw Rory as clearly struggling and hurt and he passively kind of sat back without wanting to actively help her. I don't know if he went there because he thought Rory would have rejected his help or what but it was odd. When you naturally love someone, you do not hesitate. Also, if true and he was waiting for Rory to speak up, it makes me even more disappointed in Logan. So he'll just continue slamming doors on his fiance who's calling out his name while he's on the phone with Rory and cheating on her until Rory admits she wants to exclusively be with him? Not cool in my book. His heart and what he feels and wants should be independent of what Rory Gilmore wants and says. He doesn't love his fiance. That has nothing to do with Rory. Man up, be a decent human being and get out of the engagement before you hurt her anymore, you fool. He shouldn't be using and cheating on her just because the woman he might want doesn't want to be with him and he's too much of a chicken to admit what he wants. The entire situation is messy, immature, cruel, manipulative, and downright dirty. Too dirty for me to ever see this as true love or some beautiful romance between star crossed lovers or something.

ds44

One of the reasons the REvival angers me is that she rewrote Logan to fit those nasty last words. She showed that she cared nothing for Rory beyond her being a mini-lorelai and for me as a Rory and Logan fan that's not enough. I am sorry but nothing she had Logan do fit with the characte we knew through s5 and 6. I won't even use s7 cause she didn't write that. So, I am not going to hate on Rory or Logan for the hackjob she wrote. It was clearly an act of forcing a round peg in a square hole. If she wanted me to believe that was who Logan was, she wrote him wrong in s5 and 6.

The Crow

To be fair, I never said that I saw this as an epic romance or beautiful or any of that. The only thing close to an epic romance on Gilmore Girls has always been Luke and Lorelai for me.

It's weird for me to debate this because I never really cared about Rory or her romantic life, but I did always like Logan, so I guess I don't like how things went down.

My impression of the situation, and it was obviously not how I was supposed to see things considering ASP's comments, was that Logan and Rory's situation was all on her terms. She was the one who kept referring to the "What happens in Vegas" facet of their relationship repeatedly, especially if Logan seemed like he wanted to expand their time together. In the face of this, it seems to me that Logan went ahead and accepted the 'father approved' girlfriend and then fiance because the woman he was interested in didn't seem interested in more than casual sex from him. Plus, we never get to see anything about his fiance. The Logan haters I've seen just assume that she loves Logan, but this could be basically a business transaction for her as well. I mean, she was living in a different country from him at the beginning of the revival, despite the fact that she was his fiance. Odd behavior for someone who was in love with him.

Also, I thought he did try to help her, but he did it by throwing material things at the problem because that's the only way he knows. He organized the Life and Death Brigade reunion to help Rory out. He offered her a house to write in because she wasn't comfortable at Lorelai's anymore.

Anyhoo...it really doesn't matter what I think, because I'm not a writer for the show. I don't really know why I'm so disappointed in the revival either, because Gilmore Girls was never on the level of Veronica Mars or Buffy or Everwood for me, so it's not like Rory being this horrible adult has soured my fond memories of her character from the show. In fact, the grown version of Rory really only seems to be continuing the actions of her younger self and making many of the same mistakes...mistakes she obviously isn't learning from.

That reminds me. The part I forgot to mention when I was listing the things about Rory was her treatment of Paul. I hated that the show basically made a joke of the callous and cruel treatment of a man that obviously really liked Rory. She apparently spent the entirety of their relationship cheating on him with Logan, and then she brought a second man into the equation when she cheated again with Wookie-man. The fact that Lorelai didn't seem to have much of a problem with the whole situation was a disappointment too.

jediwands

I actually went into the Revival open to Rory/Logan. I was set up wanting them together even! I was disappointed obviously.

I did think about what Logan's fiance might be like. I guess the point is ASP didn't want us to know about the fiance. She wanted to display the situation a certain way for whatever reason.

I still never saw Logan as actively helping Rory. He witnessed her pain in person and felt her heart breaking. How could he not? It was all over her face. Nothing was talked about. Logan offering the house was also for his benefit too. It was the same thing as him amazingly offering her a hotel... a place she could go and he could join her there. Yes, a place for her to write too but it definitely still had to do with the affair. Jess helped her see where her career was sinking and where it could survive and how she'd be truly happy... Rory was free given Jess' path... I also think ASP wanted to show the parallel of Logan offering a hotel, then a house (things she needed to get rid of, say no to) versus Rory realizing what Jess was driving home... thinking with your heart, getting back to those family values, her passion... and that was when she came to the conclusion that a hotel/cold house was out... her Grandparent's home was in... she was writing that book and it would set her free.

I was never a fan of the Life and Death Brigade. I cringed just as much when it was reintroduced once again in the Revival. However, I do think it was this Life and Death Brigade reunion, along with Jess helping her get back on track with her career, that allowed her to realize she was over the Life and Death Brigade moments, she was done with acting thoughtless and careless. I think she did lump Logan right in there with this crazy mess she had to get rid of. If she didn't, she wouldn't have said goodbye to him right there and she wouldn't be contemplating on whether or not to tell him about the baby.

I've never considered Gilmore Girls to be above those shows you listed. I've only ever cared about Lorelai's romantic life too... Luke and Lorelai have always been the only couple I've ever shipped on this show. Their ending, Lorelai's story as a whole, Lorelai/Emily and eventually Lorelai/Rory are all why I did like the Revival. I do believe Rory evolved at the end of the Revival. I don't believe she was still stuck and that was great to see.

I was actually relieved Lorelai never judged Rory's situation. Oh man, I can hear the fans going nuts, ripping Lorelai a new one for being too overbearing. People were judging Lorelai and pissed at her for getting mad when Rory stole a boat in college and slept with a very married Dean. We had a group of Gilmore Girls fans who thought Lorelai should have backed off then... which I thought was unreal and I never agreed with. For this reason alone, I am glad Lorelai never said a damn word to Rory about how her life was going.

Alwayshappy

So what do people think? Will there be another revival in the future?

Personally I'd be fine with both scenarios. The ending felt really fitting to me and I'm not sure they can make a finale that's even better, you know? On the other hand....I'd always welcome more Gilmore

jediwands

I am fine either way. I rewatched the revival and liked it even better the second time around. I would be just fine with this ending.

I couldn't have asked for more as a fan of Lorelai (she is my favorite character of the series), Luke/Lorelai, Emily, Emily/Lorelai, Emily/Lorelai/Rory. Seriously, all my favorite dynamics were just perfect.

I feel like it was obvious Rory was getting her life together and the path she was on was the right one. Gone would be the days that she'd cheat on a boyfriend or be a mistress. She was pregnant, big thing, lol, but she'd handle it just fine and I believe her career was on the verge of being a huge success. Writer, amazing book, perfect.

But yes, I wonder when we'll find out either.

Alwayshappy

Fully agreed with your post!

The only thing I would have liked to see more of would be Paris. Maybe even some extra scenes with Rory. There was also very little Rory/Lane. I get her love life was slightly more important and it was clear she was still best friends with both Lane and Paris, but I could have done with a few more scenes. It's the only thing I really missed, besides Lorelai/Sookie, but there was a good explanation for that.

jediwands

I agree, it's not possible to get enough of Paris even when you are getting a good dose of Paris. She's just so awesome. I do wish we would have gotten to see her more. I loved that Rory and Paris stayed in touch and were still close friends, though. That's so great. Thinking about where they once were when Rory first started Chilton is amazing. Who would have thought these two would be close friends.

Yes, the Sookie/Lorelai brief interaction was understandable. I wanted more but am thankful that we at least got to see Sookie!

Rory/Lane was very brief too. Wanted more as well.

everwoodfan52

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jediwands

^^^^^^^^ Love it. I've always loved it.

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jediwands

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