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Everwood Episode Discussion #406: Free Fall
Free Fall
Episode Airdate: November 3, 2005 Description: In hopes of mending Andy (Treat Williams) and Jake's (Scott Wolf) friendship, Nina (Stephanie Niznik) suggests the two men go to counseling together. Meanwhile, Andy breaks the news to Ephram (Gregory Brown) that Amy (Emily Van Camp) may be seeing someone new; Harold (Tom Amandes) helps Rose (Merrilyn Gann) find new direction after losing the mayoral reelection campaign; and Ephram realizes that Kyle's (Steven R. McQueen) life may be more complicated than he originally thought. Vivien Cardone, Chris Pratt, Sarah Drew, Debra Mooney and John Beasley also star. Written by series creator Greg Berlanti and Directed by Arvin Brown __________________
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Jake/Andy
So when did Jake think Andy’s feelings for Nina were just going to go away or disappear? Did Jake actually have an idea that Andy would stand by and let nothing happen. Jake knew long before, even admitted it to Andy that Andy had feelings for Nina. And he still had this grand surprise when he found out Andy kissed her. I don’t think Jake would’ve been so mad if he didn’t know there was something there for Nina as well. Jake knows that Nina has something for Andy. I doubt he really knows how strong it is. Nina got Andy out of one of the darkest periods of his life. She helped him get through the death of Julia. Without Nina, Andy would still be (badly) making dinner for just him and Delia. I doubt him and Ephram would have gotten to some sort of stable ground. I’m sure Andy would not have gotten good advice as he had gotten if Nina wasn’t the one telling it. And then we finally get down to what’s really going on. They’re both want what the other has. Jake wants the accolades. Andy has achieved more in his time on earth than Jake ever hopes to achieve in two lifetimes. Andy has performed surgeries that are read about in newspapers and are made in the record books. Jake only hit newspapers when he was giving out drugs to celebrities. And Andy wants so bad of what Jake has. And it’s not just about Nina. It’s the entire package. When Andy was Jake’s age, he had nothing figured out. He had just married Julia a few short years prior and Ephram had just come along. He was living inside of as surgical room and he didn’t even know what his bedroom looked like. Andy envies what Jake has built. He has built a family, a home that he knows he can come to where people love and adore him. It took Julia dying and an abrupt move to Everwood, Colorado and a year or so after that for Andy to get a stable ground with his kids. I think that’s what eats at both of them. They want what each other has and if they wait too long, they’ll never have it. Ephram/Kyle’s mom Up until then I don’t think that Ephram really knew what piano lessons did for Kyle or for himself all that time ago. Kyle may be a jerk, well yeah, he is a jerk. But he has passion for piano just like Ephram still does. And both of them use sarcasm as way of letting piano not seem as big as it, but it’s apart of them. Andy/Ephram I know Andy and Ephram have this honesty thing going on. But does that honesty extend to Amy as well? IMO, I don’t think it was Andy’s place to say anything. Amy wouldn’t have told Hannah if she thought Andy was right there or that he’d go blab it straight to Ephram. And it wouldn’t have made a difference anyway with Ephram seeing Reid kiss Amy goodnight. Sure Andy didn’t know that would happen, but wouldn’t Ephram see it anyway? Reid is his roommate and Amy is the whatever. I’m not saying girlfriend… Ephram was bound to find out. Would it have hurt Ephram that Andy knew something about Amy and didn’t tell him? Hannah/Amy I love Hannah for trying to clean up the apartment. But it’s a lost cause. But we do know how Hannah feels about lost causes. She has to help them, feed them…clothe them and send them on their way. And then there’s the apartment. Does the word quarantine mean anything to anyone? I did really enjoy Amy’s realization that she can ask a boy out on a date. She looked shocked that she could. “I’ve never asked a boy out before.”. Like we’ve suddenly went back hundreds of years when girls weren’t so forward and wouldn’t ask out a boy. Ephram/Kyle Poor Ephram, always distracted by Amy. I think Kyle has some issues with how the whole academic process is handled. Who taught him that filling out ANYTHING in pencil was okay? He is so sure he’s better than anyone to get into Julliard and he’s doing these things that most people who don’t belong at Julliard already know. It’s like there’s this desperate need to get out of Everwood, away from everyone he’ll do anything to do it. And he’s so anxious to prove to everyone that he can do it, he messes up on other really important things. I liked their field trip. Reminded me of the jazz club that Ephram went to. His teacher didn’t care about a date or whatever was going on in Ephram’s personal life. He just wanted Ephram exposed to a different type of music. And Ephram was. Even though the date was crap because the first of many times, Laney discovered that Ephram didn’t want any other girl besides Amy. Hmm, nothing much changes in Everwood, does it? I do give Ephram credit for the ski lift and the piano playing in the lobby that got them kicked out. Kyle made fifty bucks. If he could stay, I’m sure Julliard application would’ve been paid for and maybe a trip to New York to visit the school too. But alas, maybe another time. It gave Kyle the confidence he so lacked when playing the piano. Andy/Nina This whole song and dance about therapy is really…really fricken fracken IRRITATING! I get why Nina is trying so hard to get Jake and Andy to ‘make up’ and be friends. If Jake and Andy continue this badgering and enemy stuff, Nina’s gonna lose Andy. And she wants him as close to her life as he can be with just being a friend. I find it so weird and nauseating that she’s going so far to make them be friends. I mean getting a ‘mediator’ to coach them on being friends. It’s what guys do! It’s like first grade. Andy kissed Jake’s girlfriend Nina on the playground so now Nina runs home and makes her mommy get them together to make up. It’s really disgusting and insulting. I know I might be taking my argument way too far. But it makes sense. The closer she gets to Jake and marriage and being a family with him, the farther apart she is from Andy. And Nina doesn’t want that, but the idea of being with Andy and all of his issues and really opening up to him, it scares her. So she has the best of both worlds. She can go to Andy for the emotional stuff because he knows her situation with Sam and other things in her life. But it doesn’t seem like she can go to that stuff with Jake. Jake is a problem solver in about two seconds. After that he just puts it on the table with his other files to ‘figure out later’. It’s quite strange really. Harold/Rose I was really sad with the scene of Rose booking the tickets to Africa. She was really prepared to not be around anymore. She was really seeing life as something she was not going to be apart of. I do find it quite funny that Harold immediately thinks that all the unusual charges are a result of a fraudulent credit charging. Yeah, it could be fraudulent charges. But eleven thousand dollars? And all to one place and with plane tickets. That would be fairly exact. Doesn’t Harold know that thieves charge little things so the owner doesn’t raise suspicion until it’s too late? Oh Harold, ye of little faith in the common con artist! I really do side with Rose in her inability to connect with the person she is without being the mayor. She’s been the mayor for how many years? And even the little we saw her do that position, she had little effort in doing it. It was her enjoyment of making sure the town was run correctly. And it was. That naysayer Patty the Pimple head Moron? Who thinks that she could do a better job than Rose? Well I guess the Neanderthals of the Everwood community. I guess they had a right to vote another way given Rose’s previous year’s battle with cancer and by the time voting came around, it was unsure if the cancer was still inside of her or she was in remission. I’d just love for that woman to give Rose back her position in reflection of the good job Rose has done and the pitiful job that other woman lived up to do. Okay, we know that Harold lives in the 1950s. The sweaters, the old style speech. It’s clear that he hasn’t seen a decade without sock hops or poodle skirts. But when does he bring it on himself to find a job for Rose. As if Rose is so incapable of finding a job with the good standing she has in the community? I know Harold means well. But a list? I mean put her in a wheel chair and sing for quarters at Sam’s. I mean she’s not a robot. She can do things on her own Harold, after all…it’s a new CENTURY! And Harold becomes the doting husband again and takes control when it’s needed. They finally get to go to Africa! See, you don’t have to almost die from cancer for reason to go to Africa. JUST GO! Amy/Reid I can’t keep up with Reid changing his mind all the time. I know that Reid has this whole medical school thing going on. But really? Can Amy come with him on a date to the library. As a study date? There’s always ways of getting around med school studies and it still count as dating. Either Reid has the worst time management skills or he’s just really not that brokenhearted over not really being with Amy. __________________
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Patricia, did you watch episode 405? That one is fantastic.
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A lot of S4 to me, though, is seeing Amy out of her element. Not popular, struggling to find friends, relationships, etc so I like her discovering new things like this, that you can actually ask a guy out. As a guy, just let me say, we love that, because it means we don't have to be the nervous ones asking the girl out all the time! __________________
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About 405...if I do remember correctly...it was a monumental episode which included a huge declaration by Hannah and a huge declaration by Ephram during a beautiful campfire scene. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this episode, Patricia. |
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I have notes on 4.05...so I guess I did watch it
is it where Amy/Hannah are costume shopping for the halloween party that Amy thought Reid invited her to as a date. __________________
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way to be modest, Tos!
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Yup, it takes the best to know the best.
Patricia, I only asked about 405 because you didn't start a thread for it, so I thought that you has missed it. This is the one in which Hannah tells Bright that she isn't going to have sex until she's married and Andy and Ephram have a beautiful campfire talk in which he says that he's still in love with Amy. |
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I guess I totally missed putting up my review for that. Some episodes I didn't label with episode numbers, so I guess I just skipped over it not thinking anything of it.
I do remember taking notes for the campfire scene and how wonerful it felt to have Andy/Ephram talking about Ephram's feelings for Amy. That's taken a long time to get to without Ephram having this hidden agenda to hurt Andy. I'll be sure to start a thread for it when I get home later tonight! I just love Harold in his santa claus long johns! __________________
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Like Betty, I can't wait to read your S5 thoughts as well, Patricia.
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Equal grounds and then Ephram opening about (in a later episode) about his baby and it was just nice to see them by the fire just talking. and notice how both of them had their feet up on the coffee table?
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