Everwood - Everwood Fans who are Dawson/Joey & Pacey/Andie Fans of DC #13: Seasons 1/2 = very high quality. Season 3 was the beginning of the end.

**jediwands** · 09-25-2017, 08:11 PM

This is an appreciation thread for Everwood fans who are also Dawson/Joey & Pacey/Andie fans. For those who shipped these pairings, the series once had such great promise, but ended up being one of the most disappointing series to date. TPTB enjoyed manipulating the heart and soul of the old school (seasons 1/2) Dawson's Creek audience, who embraced the premise and the main pairings of the show, Dawson/Joey and Pacey/Andie fans. The first two seasons defined Dawson's Creek. Season 3 came along and the show simply wasn't the same anymore. New showrunner who essentially mocked the premise, destroyed the main pairings, and was basically just fine with dropping the quality in order to make the series his own. We know the drill. Discussing our main pairings, as well frustrations over storylines, writing, TPTB, fandom in general, is also welcome here.

Note: This is not a debate thread with other ships. This thread is strictly for Dawson/Joey & Pacey/Andie fans to appreciate the pairings and discuss aspects of the show, both good and bad. This thread was originally created to celebrate friendships between a couple of regulars on the Everwood board who, back in the day, posted on the Dawson's Creek board and encountered some terrible fan wars and not so great moments. We wanted a safe place to discuss our thoughts here on the Everwood board. That is how this thread was created. Jerry D, our amazing Administrator, and my very good friend, came up with the idea and the rest is history. For those of you who ship other pairings and don't agree with the content of this thread, of course there's the Dawson's Creek board and other threads scattered throughout Fan Forum perfectly designed for you.

Thanks!

Credit Xelphia Kenny:

Alternate S5 & S6 : He made a solemn promise he would come and visit her. Hell, he even jotted it down in indelible black ink onto the crisp pages of her brand new journal while wearing a big toothy grin on his face, but regardless, it had been months since Pacey had made any contact with Andie. Andie forced herself not to overthink it and chalked it up to life getting in the way, but the smallest embers inside of her heart that yearned for him still despite everything that happened between them started to prickle at the back of her head. Although once the orientation process at Harvard was over and the real work began, Andie’s thoughts of Pacey Witter were sidelined in order to make room for the mountains and mountains of schoolwork she was receiving on a daily basis.

That was until, out of the blue, Pacey literally came sailing back into her life looking tanned, well rested, and even more gorgeous. Andie vowed to never let herself fall back in love with Pacey, she made an ironclad pledge to herself to never stray back into that hornet’s nest, but his soft, warm gaze pointed in her direction had Andie convinced his heart was remembering the way it used to love her.

She was one hundred percent correct in her assumptions.

The laughter between them settled into a deep warmth and easiness, and they talked well into the wee hours of the night and gradually, the intimacy they once coveted as a couple so long ago had returned to their bodies in triplicate. It started with Pacey’s hand brushing up against hers when she handed him a magazine from a convenience store shelf, which then evolved into their hugs becoming longer and more needy each time they touched. Soon enough, Pacey did the unthinkable, and asked Andie a question she never thought she’d hear again in her life from him…

Pacey Witter had asked her out on a date.

At first, they had both agreed to not invest too much of themselves into the date, stating an urge to take things as slow as they could in order to protect themselves from any harmful fallout, but Pacey and Andie’s mutually intense bedroom eyes that screamed “make love to me.” seemed to tell another story altogether. The immense pain of potentially opening up old wounds over how their relationship crumbled in the past fell to the wayside as Pacey and Andie ended up having passionate, raw, soul searing sex in Andie’s shower. Every single iota of mistrust, devastating heartbreak, and bad memories in their past circled its way down the drain.

And as Andie sat by her vanity, drying her hair and watching Pacey getting ready for bed, she smiled to herself. At long last, she finally felt like she could breathe again.

Fic Links that TL22 supplied and commented on:

1.Kiss Me Chapter 1, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

This takes place at the end of season four. It's my very first P/A story. two short chapters. My version on how the graduation could/should have went.

2.Thanksgiving, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

A short interlude of what could have happened between seasons three and four.

3.Finding True Love Chapter 1, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

Fourteen chapters of what could have happened in the future. I wrote it over two years. The story starts season three when Pacey is getting ready to sail away. The end of chapter one has a unique twist, I think you'll enjoy.

The following is by ElizabethBella who wrote a fantastic Pacey/Andie story. (My favourite)

Come Sail Away Chapter 1: Separate, and apart, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction
This is a multi chaptered story, you won't be able to put down.

The next is another one of my favourites written by the very talented StevieLuvsAlex

No amount of time, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

The next is a two part Pacey/Andie story written by me and StevieLuvsAlex. The first part is hers and the second part written by me won't make any sense if the first part is not read. Very very short

Everything happens for a reason, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction
Written by StevieluvsAlex

Everything Happens For a Reason part Two, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction
Written by me and takes up where Everything Happens For a Reason leaves off

https://www.fanfiction.net/story/sto...toryid=7420836

This is a glimpse of Pacey, Andie, Joey and Dawson when they were very young. The story is two parts..

The next link is by the author Makesmyheadspin. IT is a bitter sweet story and really captures Pacey and Andie.

Springsteen, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

Fate is The Hunter, a dawson's creek fanfic | FanFiction

**jediwands** · 09-25-2017, 08:12 PM

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Forwood4Bamon · 09-28-2017, 12:13 PM

I don't think pj should be popular.

I never understood them together. They spent an awful lot of time talking about dawson, so thats why they're together in the longest day?

**jediwands** · 09-28-2017, 05:54 PM

Pacey is the hot "bad boy" so that's why PJ are so popular... substance doesn't matter.

Forwood4Bamon · 09-29-2017, 06:43 AM

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Pacey is the hot "bad boy" so that's why PJ are so popular... substance doesn't matter.

so thats why they're popular?

so what exactly in season 4 did pj do but yet dj fought?

**jediwands** · 09-29-2017, 09:18 AM

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so thats why they're popular?

so what exactly in season 4 did pj do but yet dj fought?

I truly believe there were two elements involved in why PJ fans were created:

1. Thought Josh was hot.
2. Hated Dawson because somehow James got in the way of Josh and his hotness.

Thus, PJ fans needed to "win" and beat Dawson/James for Pacey/Josh. As a result, they didn't care about logic and how obvious it was that PJ didn't stand a chance or Joey was still so hung up on Dawson. It didn't matter, they had to beat James/Dawson so their Josh/Pacey could get the win. Throw in so many obsessed with the Josh/Katie romance, some had difficultly separating fact from fiction. Warped, indeed.

***Jerry D*** · 09-29-2017, 07:56 PM

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I truly believe there were two elements involved in why PJ fans were created:

1. Thought Josh was hot.
2. Hated Dawson because somehow James got in the way of Josh and his hotness.

Thus, PJ fans needed to "win" and beat Dawson/James for Pacey/Josh. As a result, they didn't care about logic and how obvious it was that PJ didn't stand a chance or Joey was still so hung up on Dawson. It didn't matter, they had to beat James/Dawson so their Josh/Pacey could get the win. Throw in so many obsessed with the Josh/Katie romance, some had difficultly separating fact from fiction. Warped, indeed.

That's so true. After the Series Finale, the Pacey and Joey fans started every one of their shipper threads with the title "We Won!"

***Jerry D*** · 09-29-2017, 08:02 PM

Overall, in the final analysis, when I think of Dawson’s Creek, I’ll always think of two words: Wasted Potential. I think that Dawson's Creek, which once rightfully billed itself as “The Next Generation Of Television,” degenerated into a mediocre teen melodrama where "tortured teen romances" dominated almost every episode, and the concept of friendship was almost entirely lost. If I had to do everything all over again, I would never have devoted so much time to writing and talking about this show, because the show ended up disappointing me more than it made me happy. Oh well.

**jediwands** · 09-30-2017, 12:43 PM

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That's so true. After the Series Finale, the Pacey and Joey fans started every one of their shipper threads with the title "We Won!"

I know!

Many had signatures stating they won too. How obvious could they get? It is crystal clear that shipper fanbase was about winning. Beyond obvious it was a competition, not about "true love" for their idiotic couple. That true love label is why I will never use it with any of my TV couples. If PJ was true love, then love is overrated, even in the TV world when you can write it in such a cheesy, fantasy way!

**jediwands** · 09-30-2017, 12:49 PM

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Overall, in the final analysis, when I think of Dawson’s Creek, I’ll always think of two words: Wasted Potential. I think that Dawson's Creek, which once rightfully billed itself as “The Next Generation Of Television,” degenerated into a mediocre teen melodrama where "tortured teen romances" dominated almost every episode, and the concept of friendship was almost entirely lost. If I had to do everything all over again, I would never have devoted so much time to writing and talking about this show, because the show ended up disappointing me more than it made me happy. Oh well.

Love those two words. Bang on. The only good thing about Dawson's Creek is that we became friends as a result.

So I guess that's the one plus to the show. We have to embrace the positives.

***Jerry D*** · 09-30-2017, 11:41 PM

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Love those two words. Bang on. The only good thing about Dawson's Creek is that we became friends as a result.

So I guess that's the one plus to the show. We have to embrace the positives.

Yes, that's very true!

**jediwands** · 10-01-2017, 07:46 AM

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Yes, that's very true!

Indeed.

***Jerry D*** · 10-01-2017, 04:03 PM

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Indeed.

I think what happens on shows like this is that initially, everyone involved with the show is excited about it and the writing and acting is fresh. In Season One, I was really impressed with Katie Holmes' acting, but in the later seasons, she more relied on "cutesy" mannerisms and mugging for the camera than doing any real acting, especially in her scenes with Pacey. I think that as the series wore on the actors became jaded and they started viewing the show as something that was holding them back. This was particularly true with James Van Der Beek, who requested less screen time in Season Six and I feel his contempt for the show was evident in some of his performances in the later seasons. The thing is though that on shows like this, you often never hear of the stars again once the show ends, and although a few of them have gone on to other shows, most of them peaked with this show, with the exception of Michelle Williams, who's gone on to be an award winning actress. Katie Holmes has achieved a type of fame by becoming Tom Cruise's ~~beard,~~ err, I mean Tom Cruise's wife, but she's mostly tabloid fodder now and she doesn't really act anymore. James has done a few shows, but he'll probably always be known as Dawson, much to his chagrin, and Josh did Fringe, but I think he'll always be known as Pacey in some circles.

**Alexa** · 10-02-2017, 04:15 AM

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Do you watch The Originals? Is Candice King going to be in the new season and if so, will she just guest star or become a regular? Is TVD talked about on The Originals?

I don't watch the originals. I tried watching the pilot back when it first came on and just wasnt that invested in it. I like Klaus and Elijah but they aren't my favorite TVD characters so I just didnt really care much for the spin off. But I do want to watch the series once I finish my VPD rewatch because I think it will fill the void a bit.

Candice is going to be on the season apparently, there was a filming photo of her with a ring (from stefan) around her neck. But I am not sure how many episodes. I dont think that many and i think I read somewhere that she wasn't looking to date, just be a friend to Klaus.

I'm sure some characters on TVD are mentioned on TO but I dont think that often, its a pretty separate show and I think it had a different timeline for a while too but again, I am not positive because I don't watch it. It'll be interesting to see what sort of SL's happen. I know there was at least one episode where there was a "crossover" of sorts. And I think that Michael (Tyler) guest stared a couple times maybe...

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Do you know if it was Julie and/or Kevin who decided on killing him off? Did Paul want his character killed off?

I think they both decided on it. I think I read they had planned on it being Damon for a while too. They went back and forth with it. But they decided on Stefan because he was the shows "hero" and it made sense for him to try to make amends for all his sins as the ripper. And apparently by Stefan dying, it's forcing Damon to be a better man too because Stefan sacrificed himself for Damon.

I know that Paul and Ian both wanted their characters to die together and go out in a blaze of glory, which I also would have loved in a way, because ultimately, the show was about the brothers. But my DE heart is very glad that Damon got to live and be with Elena forever lol. Paul really encouraged the writers to kill Stefan, he really wanted that.

A lot of Stefan fans were upset because they felt he was still the better brother and didnt deserve that ending but to me, Stefan was tortured his entire life. He always felt remorse for the things he did and it ate him up. With Damon, I dont think that was the case. Damon was able to accept his nature as a vampire. So Stefan making that sacrifice for everyone and dying was his way of getting that redemption and i think in the afterlife, when he was reunited with his best friend, he was finally at peace. I think it was better for his character. And like I said, eventually Caroline will join him and everything will be peachy. LOL.

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I liked her in the scenes I've seen her in. I saw the episode I believe shortly after she became a vampire and Stefan was helping her figure out how to adjust. I liked their scenes together.

Yeah, that was 202 and that was the first time that Stefan/Caroline had a genuine scene together and everyone flipped out and I think thats when people really started to ship them. I of course shipped them after the pilot when Caroline said she was gonna marry Stefan

but he rejected her. It was perfect to me. He said it was never gonna happen then he ended up marrying her.

I think that was also when the writers said they felt the chemistry and knew they wanted to build a storyline there and in season 2 they became good friends.

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If there's a 10 year time jump they very easily could bring them back together maybe if Klaus is different. They might make it work this time around.

I think it also depends on if the show gets renewed. If its the final season then I cant see KC happening. They might hint at it as they have done for a while now. Klaus told Caroline in season 3 that he would be her last love. And in the TVD finale he wrote a finale that said he would wait however long it takes. I do like them together. They have great chemistry and I think Caroline makes Klaus better. But yeah, its really up in the air I guess and down to what the writers want.

I think the majority of TO fans are TVD fans yes, because thats how they were introduced to the characters.

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Excellent analysis of The Vampire Diaries Alexa.

Thanks Jerry.

After OTH I would say that VPD is probably my favorite show, at least in terms of guilty pleasures. lol. I realize its not the best written show ever but I always found it super enjoyable.

And thanks for the info on DC, I didnt know all of that stuff. I got into the series very late!

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Michelle, I wish I had kept the list of the original titles of the episodes, but I do remember that the Pilot was originally called "Emotions in Motion," "Detention" was originally called "The Breakfast Club," "Beauty Contest" was originally called "Pretty Woman" and "Decisions" was originally called "Breaking Away."

Interesting!

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Overall, in the final analysis, when I think of Dawson’s Creek, I’ll always think of two words: Wasted Potential. I think that Dawson's Creek, which once rightfully billed itself as “The Next Generation Of Television,” degenerated into a mediocre teen melodrama where "tortured teen romances" dominated almost every episode, and the concept of friendship was almost entirely lost. If I had to do everything all over again, I would never have devoted so much time to writing and talking about this show, because the show ended up disappointing me more than it made me happy. Oh well.

But if you had never seen the show and fallen in love with the characters and DJ wouldnt that be worse?

Most shows end up disappointing me in some way. Only 1 show (breaking bad) never did.

i've loved James in everything Ive seen him in. He's done a lot of different work. He was great as "james" (himself) in The B in Apartment 23.

I recently saw him in an episode of Room 104 which he did a fantastic job with. Unfortunately you are right though, I will always see him as Dawson.

Josh I know has done some other things but the only big thing Ive seen him in since was Fringe and I think he did a great job separating his character as Peter from Pacey. I'd love to see him in something else as I think he's a great actor!

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1. Thought Josh was hot.
2. Hated Dawson because somehow James got in the way of Josh and his hotness.

I think #1 is a BIG one. Even I had a massive crush on Josh when i first started watching the show, but it still couldnt force me into liking PJ. For me, I am drawn to angst and story.

I do tend to like the bad guys, but not always. I wanted DJ. I shipped Jack/Kate. The main theme in most of my ships is BUILD UP. I dont like couples that get together too fast and I don't like couples without substance.

And to me, PJ had no build up. They werent even in each others circles in the first few seasons and then randomly started being friends in season 3. I will admit their romantic build up in season 3 was decent but still, it was pretty fast in the grand scheme of things. They could have remained friends in season 3 and waited to go the romantic route in season 4 or something. IDK.

As far as the competition thing goes, that is just mean. I mean, when VPD ended I was in the S/E thread saying I was sorry about the non endgame and that i understood their frustrations seeing that SE were the main pairing for 2 solid years. I still liked SE as a friendship and talked about their final scene together etc. I never gushed about "winning" in the triangle. I was happy to have my endgame but man, people need to be respectful. I remember some people in the KC thread were the same, just bashing Stefan to no end because he and Caroline got married.

Some people just need to chill a bit and realize its just tv. LOL.

Forwood4Bamon · 10-02-2017, 10:16 AM

Yes that is true. I loved when katie and josh dated actually and if I had watched the show when it aired I would be a pjer believe me.

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