'Tos

Thought I'd start this right away so if anyone wants to start talking about the eps they're watching on the DVD today, they can. We'll add some more info to this opening post when it's not right before work, heh.

Dolfan13

I may be wrong but I am pretty sure most didn't like season three? I know basically everyone hated the Andy/Amanda storyline and rightfully so. It is the weakest season of the four, in my opinion, but I still liked it. The season has some very good Amy/Ephram, Bright/Hannah, the group itself and Jake/Nina moments/episodes. I liked Jake for the most part and thought he and Hannah were good additions. I wasn't really a fan of how they pushed Irv/Edna into the background with their separation, though. Delia also did not do much in this season. Just thinking about it now, I can't even remember anything about Delia in the third season?? Although it may be hard to watch the last few episodes, the revelation to Ephram about the baby is really well done. The last couple of episodes really set up season four very well with Ephram/Andy having to overcome their past and Ephram/Amy finding their way back to each other.

everwoodfan52

That's an interesting question. I'll be curious to hear what people say about this. I'm wondering if this is most of our posters' least favorite season.

I'm going to have to watch again...but if I remember correctly...This season had some of the worst moments for me...but also some of the best moments for me.

'Tos

I think my least favourite is still S2, although...really, least favourite just means the other three were just a little bit better, hee. I don't think there's a bad season, just a few bad stories, missed opportunities, characters or even a few episodes. But, yeah, this season had Amanda, Jake (not always popular), few voiceovers, the changing of the credits, a new showrunner in Rina, Hannah (not always popular to say the least either, hee). It's a polarizing season, definitely. Which, I think, has to do with there kind of being a shift in the show from the first two seasons to the last two. I do think that there's at least a little more focus on the teen characters, and a little less focus on the town. Some people liked that little shift, others didn't. There's some great and some bad that come with both of those shifts for me. I think the outcry over the credits or the voiceovers help show how connected people were to the first two seasons and some were afraid of any changes. Hell, I was! Who the hell is this Hannah person and where are my damn voiceovers?

Dolfan, great point about Delia! Gah. That's so frustrating. One of my favourite characters too.

I think that says it perfectly, Betty. A lot of good, quite a bit of bad.

everwoodfan52

What is the plan for this thread....should we watch the episodes in order..or can we skip around and just post random thoughts about the season/episodes?

'Tos

I don't do plans, hee. I don't really know. I think people can do what they want here. If anyone wants to watch in order, I'll certainly be on board, but if people just want to watch randomly, that would be cool too. Just as long as we get some solid discussion.

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So, I popped in "The Perfect Day" and it was going on incredibly well. Hannah mocking Bright's girlfriend ("I thought your name might be Barbie..."), wondering what relaxed Ephram looks like, Ephram not being relaxed and then...Amanda calls. BOO! You think you hate Amanda, and then you don't watch an episode with her for, like, a year, and then she comes back on screen. That's when you really feel the hate. Ugh.

I think my favourite weird-Jake line might just be, "You're a doodle" to Edna. What does that even mean???

I kind of forgot that so much of this episode was about Amanda and Andy. Which sucked. At the same time, I do find the idea that Andy thinks he's possibly punishing himself for how he treated Julia to be kind of interesting. Mostly because he seems to pained in this episode when he's with Amanda. I mean, either Treat really hated the story (and that's actually the theory I'm going with) and is just putting that into his performance, or Andy actually is supposed to be pained.

"See, what I don't get is why her parents would send her away. You know, I mean if your dad was dying wouldn't you want to be there?" Ah, one of my favourite changes in Bright: how much of a family person he turned into. I just never saw it coming in early S1.

The Bright the Optimistic vs Ephram the Pessimist is a pretty damn awesome scene, eh? Bright professing how lucky they all are coming together after tragedy is...I don't know what it is, but I love it. He truly believes it. And it makes me miss Dramatic Chris Pratt. Oh, he's amazing on Parks & Recreation with the comedy. I miss stuff like this, though.

As great as the writing and acting is in the "teen" story, the Harold/Edna drinking scene is my favourite part of the episode. It's just so simple. No, okay, scratch that. The final montage is my favourite, along with the final lines/visual. Even with substituted music.

Seraph87

That's what I hate the most about season 3, there's just too much weird storytelling. Above all there's Madison. Ephrams' wandering around in New York in the middle of the day and of all people Madison stumbles across him, I mean, what the hell? That's not some kind of coincidence, that's just awful storytelling in order to get an unexpected twist without any logic behind it.

And there are many other little things, most of them you mentioned already. Amanda is not worth mentioning further, Andy is (at least in my opinion) during this time with her totally out of character, the Ephram/Amy relationship is sabotaged by ridiculous "problems" all the time (Amy's angry with him because he went to the doctor without telling her? Please...), Delia's not really present and so on. I don't even like Harold in some parts of the season, especially when he loses his respect for Bright and Rose after she got him a job. He's acting like he's a dictator in the Abott household and everyone needs to make him stay happy.

Season 3 is definitely my least favourite season but as 'Tos already said, I also think there's not a really awful season of Everwood. When it comes to the humor, Season 3 is even one of my favourites, at least in the first part. Just watched the first episode yesterday and Harold's line "And about the carpets, there's only so much wood a man can take!" always cracks me up. I also love all his conversations with Jake and many other things I just can't remember right now.
I've almost reached the second half of the season now so the hard part is still waiting for me but I hope I'll live through it.

'Tos

Just quickly posting to say wow, you watched those episodes quickly, Seraph. Hee. And also that I can't wait to get to those thoughts, so I'm reminding myself to get to them tomorrow before I get too tired!

Has rewatching the season given you any different perspectives on the season thus far? I know when rewatching S2, I gain a new appreciation for it every time I do. I hope the same happens with S3, but I don't think I'll ever gain an appreciation for Amanda or the silly Madison storytelling--totally agree with what you said about her just randomly bumping into Ephram in one of the most populated cities in the bloody country! How?

Seraph87

Yeah, I'm really fast this time and yesterday I finished the last episode so the waiting for season 4 can begin.

It's interesting that you ask if I have new perspectives on the season now. I have to admit that I really have because I don't hate the second part of the season as much as before. It's still heartbreaking and all but it was bearable to watch and at least Andy's troubles with Nina divert the attention from all the Ephram drama a bit.
It's shame that they gave Rose cancer at the same time, in my opinion there's just too much drama in the show at this point. Season 4 is much more subtle and doesn't have such extreme plot lines, maybe that's why I like it much better.

However, as I mentioned above, the season really has its positive sides and I appreciate it a lot more now. The only thing which is still really weird in my opinion is the last two episodes.

The episode where Ephram leaves seems much more like a season finale to me than the real finale does. The dramatic ending, the cliffhanger, the white credits and the "to be continued..." seems completely out of place, they never did this before and they never did it again. That's why the last episode is a bit anticlimactic for me, it's just about the relationships and not much else. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks like that but I always thought that this is extremely strange.

'Tos

Oh, great, probably just less than another year of waiting then.

That's a good point about so much extreme dark drama at the tail end of S3 with Andy/Ephram, Amy/Ephram, Ephram in general, Rose's cancer. Thank goodness for Hannah, Hannah and Bright, and no more Amanda.

I 100% agree with you on the actual season finale, too, by the way. I think it was too randomly light and, yes, about the relationships. One of your main characters has left, and none of the other characters really care, heh. It's really odd. It's too happy. I think the writers maybe realized how much they went too far to the extremes of the darkness at the end and went to the other extreme for the finale? But it just seems so out of place for it to be so light suddenly. Without much transition. Definitely my least favourite finale of the bunch. And that includes the finale with the Madison baby drama reveal, so that's saying something!