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County High Cafeteria #114: It's -41 F outside, so we definitely do not care about a title.

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In case anyone's wondering where we came up with a very factual title, here it is:

Cold enough for ya? Minnesota town hits 41 below zero
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Interesting. You have all of them completely analyzed. What strikes me is M... if he's so intelligent wouldn't it bother him that he sucks at English? LOL You'd think if he was so intelligent he'd be motivated to learn the language but I guess that's too simple a way of analyzing it. He might think he's too good for it, lol.
No M does not think that he is too good for it. He admits that he sucks at it . He and his twin sister actually studied in a high school where their major was English and as a whole studying languages. His sister is actually translator. His mother is a language teacher. His big sister works as a support in HP and uses English. He knows that he sucks at it compared to his sisters and mother. He understands perfectly English, but he is not that good when it comes to him expressing thoughts in English.

I asked him how he managed to complete high school given that he had to not just study English, but also study subjects like biology, chemistry etc in English. His answer was by getting lots of F . He is not the worst out there, he is just not eloquent speaker in English the way he is in Bulgarian.

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Wow, boss and jerk sound so manipulative. I cannot believe the games that they play. Good that you and M are smart enough not to put up with their sht.
To be honest this is not so much coming from them than coming from the HR who thinks is a great psychologist. Psychologist my a$$ . During M's evaluation she threatened him with firing. After my evaluation was her birthday and she saw M and started hugging him . He was like WTF .
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For a couple days it's going to be this horribly cold throughout most of the state of Minnesota.
I hope that it ends soon!

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It's good that you left your parents then and went home. I could feel you felt much more at peace when you said that you were home.
Well I live without my parents for more than 12 years already. I basically do not feel their house my home anymore. It's their house. And when I go there it's more like I go visiting my parents than going home.

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LOL Well, I hope you have fun with your two friends at the bar tomorrow.
Yeah I hope so . If not well there is always calling a cab and getting home .
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No problem. You came up with the cool title!

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No M does not think that he is too good for it. He admits that he sucks at it .
That's good. So this is how he differs from your boss. I find it endearing when people admit their faults. I just love lack of ego in every sense so I appreciate and really find it cool when people will not only admit their faults/weaknesses but even joke about them because it shows lack of ego, honesty, and just being human.

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He and his twin sister actually studied in a high school where their major was English and as a whole studying languages. His sister is actually translator. His mother is a language teacher. His big sister works as a support in HP and uses English. He knows that he sucks at it compared to his sisters and mother. He understands perfectly English, but he is not that good when it comes to him expressing thoughts in English.

I asked him how he managed to complete high school given that he had to not just study English, but also study subjects like biology, chemistry etc in English. His answer was by getting lots of F . He is not the worst out there, he is just not eloquent speaker in English the way he is in Bulgarian.
Well, some people no matter what, are just weak in certain areas even when trying to improve. Outside of natural psychic ability stuff (and I don't even see that as a gift, I just see it as in my DNA due to family blood lines) I don't have a creative bone in my body. I also suck at math and computers. I could take endless classes in both math and computers and I'd still never be good when naturally trying to apply advanced processes to those subjects. That's just the way it is. I hate both subjects as much as they hate me too... but my hatred is merely because I suck at them.

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To be honest this is not so much coming from them than coming from the HR who thinks is a great psychologist. Psychologist my a$$ . During M's evaluation she threatened him with firing. After my evaluation was her birthday and she saw M and started hugging him . He was like WTF .
WTF that idiot is not a psychologist. I hate when people throw around that word like it's something anyone can achieve. You need schooling. I wonder what her educational background is. Guaranteed it's not true psychology like a Masters or Doctorate. I bet more social services or something. What an idiot. LOL

That is because HR idiot, jerk prick and idiotic boss all know you rule over them and there's nothing they can do about it.
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I hope that it ends soon!



Well I live without my parents for more than 12 years already. I basically do not feel their house my home anymore. It's their house. And when I go there it's more like I go visiting my parents than going home.



Yeah I hope so . If not well there is always calling a cab and getting home .
Thanks!

I hear you about visiting their house now. No itching this time around? Hope that continued to be a thing of the past!

Exactly, you can always leave. How far away is the bar from your house?

For New Year's tomorrow, I'm getting up and going to downtown Minneapolis (if the car allows lol) to a Polish store/deli. We will get some Pierogies, Polish sausage, kraut and a few other things. Then I am going to spend all day and night watching endless sports. There's just way too much on for me to even consider going out tomorrow night... then again, nothing could be on and I'd still prefer staying home. Next to Valentine's Day, New Year's Eve is my least favorite holiday. It's mostly an excuse for people to go out and get drunk and act like fools. Not my cup of tea.
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No problem. You came up with the cool title!
Cool or not it's the only idea we had . Plus we create so fast new OT threads that no one would notice if the title sucks or not . This is the least of our issues.

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That's good. So this is how he differs from your boss. I find it endearing when people admit their faults. I just love lack of ego in every sense so I appreciate and really find it cool when people will not only admit their faults/weaknesses but even joke about them because it shows lack of ego, honesty, and just being human.
Oh M has an ego but it's more related to what he knows and what he does not. If he knows that he is not good in something he does not claim that he is good at it, nor he argues with someone who clearly is. For example we were wondering whether it would snow these last few days. He said that it won't. I jokingly asked him if he got this information from the stars. He told me that actually statistically usually every year we get the same amount of snow/rain on average each month. And based on those statistics we already got the amount of snow this month so this means that most probably it won't snow.

Or once we were having lunch and on two separate cases I said that I do not drink because alcohol does not have good effect on me and that I do not eat onions because they lower blood pressure and I have low blood pressure as it is. To this he basically said it makes sense that you don't drink - the alcohol lowers your blood pressure. And after that he said you don't need alcohol, good for you for not drinking.

If he tells me something and I question his claim and then I prove that he is wrong and I am right he has no issues with it. If I tell him that he needs to work on something there is a big chance that he would agree with me.

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Well, some people no matter what, are just weak in certain areas even when trying to improve. Outside of natural psychic ability stuff (and I don't even see that as a gift, I just see it as in my DNA due to family blood lines) I don't have a creative bone in my body. I also suck at math and computers. I could take endless classes in both math and computers and I'd still never be good when naturally trying to apply advanced processes to those subjects. That's just the way it is. I hate both subjects as much as they hate me too... but my hatred is merely because I suck at them.
. Exactly. I think that he is just does not have the mind to learn languages or to be eloquent writer. To be fair I sucked at this as a kid too. I had private lessons to work on this and they helped me tremendously.

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WTF that idiot is not a psychologist. I hate when people throw around that word like it's something anyone can achieve. You need schooling. I wonder what her educational background is. Guaranteed it's not true psychology like a Masters or Doctorate. I bet more social services or something. What an idiot. LOL
She does not have doctorate for sure. For masters I am not sure, but she is definitely not good. During his evaluation M tried to explain to them that we have co-workers that have dealt with aggressive bosses in the past so when then they hear the jerk yelling they are reminded of those bad past experiences and this makes them dislike the jerk. If you ask me quite logical, but only M and I got this. For them it was alien territory.

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That is because HR idiot, jerk prick and idiotic boss all know you rule over them and there's nothing they can do about it.
Mhm yeah . And M got this as well. He felt their fakeness from a mile away.
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Thanks!

I hear you about visiting their house now. No itching this time around? Hope that continued to be a thing of the past!
I hope so too .

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Exactly, you can always leave. How far away is the bar from your house?
Not super far away. I live in the so called extended center of the city. This is in the actual center of the city. I would need to take bus for two stations and then the subway for another two stations and do some walking. This is on the way to there.

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For New Year's tomorrow, I'm getting up and going to downtown Minneapolis (if the car allows lol) to a Polish store/deli. We will get some Pierogies, Polish sausage, kraut and a few other things. Then I am going to spend all day and night watching endless sports. There's just way too much on for me to even consider going out tomorrow night... then again, nothing could be on and I'd still prefer staying home. Next to Valentine's Day, New Year's Eve is my least favorite holiday. It's mostly an excuse for people to go out and get drunk and act like fools. Not my cup of tea.
Sounds like a great plan . Yeah well the excuse of the two women with me is that they do not want to cook tomorrow . My college friend definitely do not drink that much. Not sure about her friend.
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Cool or not it's the only idea we had . Plus we create so fast new OT threads that no one would notice if the title sucks or not . This is the least of our issues.
Definitely!

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Oh M has an ego but it's more related to what he knows and what he does not. If he knows that he is not good in something he does not claim that he is good at it, nor he argues with someone who clearly is. For example we were wondering whether it would snow these last few days. He said that it won't. I jokingly asked him if he got this information from the stars. He told me that actually statistically usually every year we get the same amount of snow/rain on average each month. And based on those statistics we already got the amount of snow this month so this means that most probably it won't snow.

Or once we were having lunch and on two separate cases I said that I do not drink because alcohol does not have good effect on me and that I do not eat onions because they lower blood pressure and I have low blood pressure as it is. To this he basically said it makes sense that you don't drink - the alcohol lowers your blood pressure. And after that he said you don't need alcohol, good for you for not drinking.

If he tells me something and I question his claim and then I prove that he is wrong and I am right he has no issues with it. If I tell him that he needs to work on something there is a big chance that he would agree with me.
Got it. So he doesn’t have that annoying, grating ego where he always thinks he’s right. That type of person bothers me.

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. Exactly. I think that he is just does not have the mind to learn languages or to be eloquent writer. To be fair I sucked at this as a kid too. I had private lessons to work on this and they helped me tremendously.
Makes sense.

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She does not have doctorate for sure. For masters I am not sure, but she is definitely not good. During his evaluation M tried to explain to them that we have co-workers that have dealt with aggressive bosses in the past so when then they hear the jerk yelling they are reminded of those bad past experiences and this makes them dislike the jerk. If you ask me quite logical, but only M and I got this. For them it was alien territory.
That’s a logical, reasonable psychological statement HR should have immediately understood. Either she’s stupid/doesn’t understand even basic psychology or playing dumb because she refuses to call out the jerk.

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Mhm yeah . And M got this as well. He felt their fakeness from a mile away.
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I hope so too .



Not super far away. I live in the so called extended center of the city. This is in the actual center of the city. I would need to take bus for two stations and then the subway for another two stations and do some walking. This is on the way to there.



Sounds like a great plan . Yeah well the excuse of the two women with me is that they do not want to cook tomorrow . My college friend definitely do not drink that much. Not sure about her friend.
That’s good it’s not too far away.

Well drinking shouldn’t be too excessive then with the two you’ll be with. Well at least the college friend you know.
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In the past I have had issues to create threads because I suck at coming up with titles. Now I do not care . The thread should be created anyway. The title could be always changed.

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Got it. So he doesn’t have that annoying, grating ego where he always thinks he’s right. That type of person bothers me.
No. He has the same type of ego I have. We show our ego when we know 10000 % that we are right and someone disregards our opinion. For example there is in area in our work that my boss and I do not have experience with. I am not saying that it's difficult or impossible to understand. I just find it boring to be honest so I do not want to deal with.

We had a co-worker that had enough experience in this. He was my age and he wanted to become Senior. The jerk refused to make him Senior. He questioned the guy's expertise and told him that his job is nothing spectacular and we have separate team that can do it (they can't actually but details). He told the guy that he did not support the co-workers enough and the jerk could not have idea about this because first he was not with us on the same floor, second he does not understand this area at all, third he has no idea who is working on what. The guy got pissed and left the company.

They hired three people to fill in this spot and two of them are just not good. M has experience in this area and he told them that they are not just good or efficient. M has commented in the past that there are things in this area that are not done well in my project and the boss gets defensive which is so funny considering that the boss had not even worked on this and he does not understand it anyway. Last time the boss tried to act this way I simply interjected myself in the conversation and basically supported M's claim. There are indeed things there that are just not done the right way. And I have no issues admitting this.

On the other hand this task I mentioned back in 2009 is the foundation of something in my project that most people do not understand. I do not find it complex but man most people complain that it is. The former female co-worker, M and a new co-worker we hired this year are the only ones that had not complained about this which for me is a test on how smart the people are . Anyway as my boss does not get this he always criticizes this solution. I have told him that it is not perfect and it has issues, but it was the better option compared to what we would have. He of course takes this as me not accepting criticism. I take this as him being lazy to understand stuff and then blame the stuff (he does the same with English and refuses to learn it).

Stuff like that piss off both me and M. I would never question people expertise in something I completely know that I do not understand. It is absurd. I would never tell someone that they are not contribute enough if I have no idea what they are working on. I would never be aggressive in arguing with someone over something I do not know. I could ask questions but I would be quite careful how I ask them.

The thing is that just few months after this we started working with the French exactly in this area. This guy that left the company knew enough and has great English skills. He would have helped fighting with the French and the jerk and the boss completely ruined our chances there just because they could not surpass their ego and make him Senior. In this regard however even the HR is on their back and tells them that they have unrealistic requirements.

The boss has even claimed that this area is not difficult and it's not even programming and everyone can do it. Mm if everyone can do it why he does not start doing it? Once this guy left the company and the former female company left as well, the boss wanted me to start working on this. I told him that this won't happen. I have no interest there and I do not plan to dig into deep there. Especially not because he was a stupid jerk and let the other jerk mistreated the person that knew. I did read the stuff so that I could have general idea what is going on, but I do not plan to change my area of work just because the boss can't make correct decisions.

The boss put M in the joined French team because the female co-worker left the team. M specifically told him that he does not want to go there. The boss did not care as he had no one else to put there. He did not want to put O because well he defends O and knows that working in this joined team is bad. He however had no issues throwing me or M under the bus and put us there. He even wanted me to work there on 100 %. I told him three times that I do not want to work there 100 % and he ignored my decision. So I went to my German boss told him that if I am put 100 % there I will leave the company. He talked to the guy from Austria that is responsible for our tasks planning and explained to him the situation. The guy obviously likes me enough because he not just agreed with my German boss, but he always gives me tasks so that I can't work 100 % on that project.

And M left the team directly without consulting our boss. So if you are talking about this both of us have ego. Both of us question authority that we find incompetent. Both of us see inefficiency from a mile away and we do not excuse it. So yeah we could be real pleasure to work with, let alone if someone wants to control us . We could make the job of a boss that we do not respect quite difficult. We do not care about someone's title. We judge people by their actions. You are either competent or not. You either make correct decisions or not. You either appreciate your people or not. You either argue only when you are correct or you argue for the sport and show incompetence. In this regard we are black and white.

And I do know that some people might get annoyed at such behavior but I do not care. I would not compensate for someone else mistakes. I compensate for my own. If the boss had realized his mistake and had been honest with me asking for help I could have understood his point of view, but not like this.

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That’s a logical, reasonable psychological statement HR should have immediately understood. Either she’s stupid/doesn’t understand even basic psychology or playing dumb because she refuses to call out the jerk.
I am betting on the second. Nevertheless her action on the outside could be interpreted in only way and that way is lack of competence. I do not care what her real motives are. I mean I do understand them but it does not matter for me. She is there to be professional not a friend to the jerk. They do not pay her to make biased decisions based on friendships.

M told them right away that aside the fact that people get stressed by this, he finds simply such behavior is unprofessional and unacceptable and the HR felt forced to agree with him. That was fun . M is the one of the few brave persons that could tell the jerk that he is unprofessional in his face. I am the other one that have done this in the past though I questioned his knowledge about my project and basically told him that he does not know it so it's better to not argue with the Germans for stuff he does not know.

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The HR definitely believe that they can. She tried the same fakeness with that guy that left I was talking above. I have never liked her to be honest. I sensed her front facade persona right away. However I realized that instead of going directly against her it's better to use this behavior for my own agenda. She might be fake, but she is not that stupid. She just pretends to not get some stuff. So I say the stuff, she pretends to not understand them, but she does and in the end I get what I want and I can't be even reprimanded for bad behavior because I was nice and diplomatic .
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That’s good it’s not too far away.

Well drinking shouldn’t be too excessive then with the two you’ll be with. Well at least the college friend you know.
True . Plus in the stuff we get there is not so much alcohol included. And I already told the other two women that they would get my alcohol because I won't drink it. I am really not in the mood to drink to be honest. I have never been and I doubt that I will ever be.
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In the past I have had issues to create threads because I suck at coming up with titles. Now I do not care . The thread should be created anyway. The title could be always changed.
That's how I feel too. LOL

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No. He has the same type of ego I have. We show our ego when we know 10000 % that we are right and someone disregards our opinion. For example there is in area in our work that my boss and I do not have experience with. I am not saying that it's difficult or impossible to understand. I just find it boring to be honest so I do not want to deal with.

We had a co-worker that had enough experience in this. He was my age and he wanted to become Senior. The jerk refused to make him Senior. He questioned the guy's expertise and told him that his job is nothing spectacular and we have separate team that can do it (they can't actually but details). He told the guy that he did not support the co-workers enough and the jerk could not have idea about this because first he was not with us on the same floor, second he does not understand this area at all, third he has no idea who is working on what. The guy got pissed and left the company.

They hired three people to fill in this spot and two of them are just not good. M has experience in this area and he told them that they are not just good or efficient. M has commented in the past that there are things in this area that are not done well in my project and the boss gets defensive which is so funny considering that the boss had not even worked on this and he does not understand it anyway. Last time the boss tried to act this way I simply interjected myself in the conversation and basically supported M's claim. There are indeed things there that are just not done the right way. And I have no issues admitting this.

On the other hand this task I mentioned back in 2009 is the foundation of something in my project that most people do not understand. I do not find it complex but man most people complain that it is. The former female co-worker, M and a new co-worker we hired this year are the only ones that had not complained about this which for me is a test on how smart the people are . Anyway as my boss does not get this he always criticizes this solution. I have told him that it is not perfect and it has issues, but it was the better option compared to what we would have. He of course takes this as me not accepting criticism. I take this as him being lazy to understand stuff and then blame the stuff (he does the same with English and refuses to learn it).

Stuff like that piss off both me and M. I would never question people expertise in something I completely know that I do not understand. It is absurd. I would never tell someone that they are not contribute enough if I have no idea what they are working on. I would never be aggressive in arguing with someone over something I do not know. I could ask questions but I would be quite careful how I ask them.

The thing is that just few months after this we started working with the French exactly in this area. This guy that left the company knew enough and has great English skills. He would have helped fighting with the French and the jerk and the boss completely ruined our chances there just because they could not surpass their ego and make him Senior. In this regard however even the HR is on their back and tells them that they have unrealistic requirements.

The boss has even claimed that this area is not difficult and it's not even programming and everyone can do it. Mm if everyone can do it why he does not start doing it? Once this guy left the company and the former female company left as well, the boss wanted me to start working on this. I told him that this won't happen. I have no interest there and I do not plan to dig into deep there. Especially not because he was a stupid jerk and let the other jerk mistreated the person that knew. I did read the stuff so that I could have general idea what is going on, but I do not plan to change my area of work just because the boss can't make correct decisions.

The boss put M in the joined French team because the female co-worker left the team. M specifically told him that he does not want to go there. The boss did not care as he had no one else to put there. He did not want to put O because well he defends O and knows that working in this joined team is bad. He however had no issues throwing me or M under the bus and put us there. He even wanted me to work there on 100 %. I told him three times that I do not want to work there 100 % and he ignored my decision. So I went to my German boss told him that if I am put 100 % there I will leave the company. He talked to the guy from Austria that is responsible for our tasks planning and explained to him the situation. The guy obviously likes me enough because he not just agreed with my German boss, but he always gives me tasks so that I can't work 100 % on that project.

And M left the team directly without consulting our boss. So if you are talking about this both of us have ego. Both of us question authority that we find incompetent. Both of us see inefficiency from a mile away and we do not excuse it. So yeah we could be real pleasure to work with, let alone if someone wants to control us . We could make the job of a boss that we do not respect quite difficult. We do not care about someone's title. We judge people by their actions. You are either competent or not. You either make correct decisions or not. You either appreciate your people or not. You either argue only when you are correct or you argue for the sport and show incompetence. In this regard we are black and white.

And I do know that some people might get annoyed at such behavior but I do not care. I would not compensate for someone else mistakes. I compensate for my own. If the boss had realized his mistake and had been honest with me asking for help I could have understood his point of view, but not like this.
Got it. I see what you mean. Honestly, I typically have zero ego (only inside my mind, I never share it with others) yet if I had to work with your boss and the jerk I would certainly be testing that lack of ego... it might just be coming out of hiding.

I just thought of something... if your boss is so big on outside interaction between coworkers and building chemistry with the team both in and out of the office.... yet doesn't he have a problem with the jerk who is so unlikable at times that people call him out for sucking and/or literally leaving/quitting because they cannot stand to work with him? So your boss just makes an exception for the jerk and how he drives people away because he seems to not have a caring bone in his body?

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I am betting on the second. Nevertheless her action on the outside could be interpreted in only way and that way is lack of competence. I do not care what her real motives are. I mean I do understand them but it does not matter for me. She is there to be professional not a friend to the jerk. They do not pay her to make biased decisions based on friendships.
It would almost be better if she lacked intelligence and somehow slipped through the cracks receiving a nice job even though she's not qualified versus the second option which is playing dumb to cover up for the jerk since it crosses lines and is disgusting.

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M told them right away that aside the fact that people get stressed by this, he finds simply such behavior is unprofessional and unacceptable and the HR felt forced to agree with him. That was fun . M is the one of the few brave persons that could tell the jerk that he is unprofessional in his face. I am the other one that have done this in the past though I questioned his knowledge about my project and basically told him that he does not know it so it's better to not argue with the Germans for stuff he does not know.



The HR definitely believe that they can. She tried the same fakeness with that guy that left I was talking above. I have never liked her to be honest. I sensed her front facade persona right away. However I realized that instead of going directly against her it's better to use this behavior for my own agenda. She might be fake, but she is not that stupid. She just pretends to not get some stuff. So I say the stuff, she pretends to not understand them, but she does and in the end I get what I want and I can't be even reprimanded for bad behavior because I was nice and diplomatic .
Just gross on every level. I am shocked they actually wanted to get rid of M because this disgusting trio understands they are not playing a clean game. I guess they might have been ridiculous in thinking M doesn't realize they have a cult. They know you understand their cult though so when you got involved they had no other choice but to keep M. I am sure they realize now M understands how they tick.
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True . Plus in the stuff we get there is not so much alcohol included. And I already told the other two women that they would get my alcohol because I won't drink it. I am really not in the mood to drink to be honest. I have never been and I doubt that I will ever be.
The bar you will be going to... is it bigger (with more space) and will it have a ton of people in it? What will the atmosphere be like?

I just fed and took Buddy out... I told you Buddy pretty much deals with the cold weather? He's been complaining the past couple of days now. I checked and it's so insanely cold right now... it's close to -20 F at the moment... I cannot believe it's still like this... anyway, I took Buddy out after he ate and he refused to pee or poop, lol. I had to put two sweaters on top of each other on him, then take him out on the side of the house where our house and the house next to us block some of the direct wind... I should have done that to begin with... wasn't thinking half asleep... anyway the sweater thing and location did the trick because he was then able to go to the bathroom.
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