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jediwands 05-13-2005 06:53 AM

Ania R... I agree. I couldn't stop crying while watching Amy because I could feel her heart breaking in two. It was really tough to watch.

break the window 09-25-2010 06:57 PM

this is a heartbreaking episode too! :bawl:

Amy: I knew there had to be something with Amy and Princeton. Most schools just don't accept someone because their transcripts look good. OKay, they do, but usually it's for sports or something extra curricular. Yeah Amy is like the busiest Everwood teenager we know with extra curriculars, but not ones that colleges accept just based on those facts. And then Ephram wrote her essay. I don't know weather to be happy or sick! I vaguely remember Harold asking Ephram, but I may have forgotten that he wanted Ephram to write her essay for her. I just remember Harold asking Ephram to talk her into Princeton, open up her options, don't center them all around one thing, or one person.

Ephram:Ephram....oh boy oh boy oh boy. He spent two days chasing something he ended up hitting a wall for. But seeing that house, that house a life attached to it. They had toys and Ephram knew his son was a in a good place, a healthy place. How was he supossed to just go and say 'i'm his father'. That's almost an adoptive parent's worst nightmare.

Nina/Jake/Brian: I didn't like Brian from point A and certainly not any point in the episode. I knew he was up to something. But what I don't get is if Jake is so broke as Brian so poetically points it out in the grocery store, then how can he afford to pay Harold his rent and the check never bouncing or Jake asking Harold for an extension. Brian made Jake's finanaces seem like he should be looking for a second job. I can't get at how big of a nest egg Jake had to have before he wouldn't have to worry about where to put his money? And then telling Nina that her boyfriend, or whatever he is, is a guy looking for financial security? Where does this guy get off. He's horrible and I guess he doesn't want to see Nina get hurt. I love how he mentioned Cameron at the end of the episode. Maybe two norotics make a match :shrug: And why is Jake still keeping the place in LA? The way he talked, he wanted nothing to do with the big city life and wanted a life in a small country town like Everwood. What is he holding on to? The idea he might once reclaim his thrown as the best plastic surgeon to ever grace the west coast the states. I think Jake just has a hard time letting go of LA. Sure it kicked him in the butt with the loss of an OD patient. But it gave him the biggest memories. Cameron, yeah, there were happy times, hard to believe. He had his successful practice. Face it, for most of Jake's time there he could do no wrong. And in Everwood, he was very unsure of himself. Could he make it work as the third doctor in a small town that just a few short years ago operated quite nicely with one doctor in town. I wonder what bought Jake to Colorado in the first place. Did he roll a coin on a map and it stopped on Colorado? It's not like Everwood is on the map in big bold letters with tourism attractions. I doubt indian burial grounds in a woman's front lawn would cause a scene. Or the never ending festivals they have which happen to occur everytime the weather changes.

Nin/Jake:HE SAID I LOVE YOU?!?!?!?! Why on earth would he do this. Oh, I'll tell ya why. Jake knows, he feels it, he sees it. He knows Nina is in love with Andy and it's only a matter of time before Andy knows it too. He is holding onto Nina with his bare hands trying to make her happy. I believe they love each other, but in love? No...I don't think so. I mean who is Jake really? He's an LA version of Andy Brown. instead of Jake's wife dying, a patient died in his care for all intense purposes. He fled to a small town to start over...as Andy did, for Julia's final wish. He took up a small practice in an office that was deemed unrentalbe. Andy's was outdated and needed a really good dusting and Harold's was seized by insurance laws. Jake and Andy have the same story, they're in love with the same girl. And you know, neither guy is a bad guy. But at the end of the day it's not about who the good guy is, or who the bad guy is. It's about who the RIGHT guy is. We all know who that is, but entertain this for a second. If Jake was the good guy, then why do we love to hate him so much? Because it's easy to point out the flaws of the ones who we know won't last.

Amy/Ephram:I like that Amy and Ephram talked. Seeing each other in the hallway, the stolen looks that would last one heart a lifetime of love. I honestly didn't think they'd talk. I thought it would be Ephram looking up, remembering everything that happened and slamming the locker door shut only to walk off and pretend not to care. I love that he apologized, I'm glad he feels there is a person in his life he can count on. There for a minute, the plants in the doctors office seemed to be Ephram's only friends to hope for. Kind of cool they talked about Hannah. They have a common bond. I just love the foursome friendship of Ephram/Amuy/Hannah/Bright. Melts my heart :D I'm cool with the whole truth thing of Ephram/Amy. And I know that Ephram had to tell her that he wrote her essay to Princeton. But Amy took it so wrong. Ephram always believed in her, he just wanted her to have more options in life. But I do agree with Amy though. If Ephram truely believed that they were meant to be, the one couple that could be high school sweethearts that get married and have the wonderful life that most souls only dream of having. I don't think Ephram, at the time, believed in that. He'd seen Andy destroy his marriage without looking up to notice. He's seen Andy fight with his grandfather about whatever is going on. He's only been led to believe that everyone fights. He doesn't want to fight with Amy, we don't want him to either. I'm sad that Amy gave the necklace back. But I agree with her and Ephram, is that possible to play Devil's Advocate and still root for them to win?

Harold/Rose: I don't know how it happened, but I have fallen in love with this couple, I never thought I could. I always thought they were just an old couple who outgrew each other, but I was wrong. Thankfully, I was wrong. I laughed so loud when Rose thought she might be pregnant :lol: Then it came to the realizeation that Harold/Rose are still having sex. Sheesh, rock my boat why don't you. But it was really cute how they were flirting in the doctor's office when Rose found out she wasn't pregannt. I love how Harold got when he was talking about babies and strollers. He really does love being a father, the happies moments of his lives were watching his children grow and he would grow right with them. I just really assumed that Rose had her menopausal stage already. But I guess Rose is a lot more spry that I imagined. Go Rose. and then.... I knew honestly knew Rose had Cancer. Even though I laughed and carried on about Harold and the possibility of becoming a father again, I knew. And what's so frustrating is that Rose was thinking about pregnancy, bringing life into the world and then gets the Cancer knews and it's like someone wants to take her life away from her. Kind of ironic isn't it? Rose, oh Rose, you strong woman you. Grab the battle ax and prepare for war, it's gonna be a bump ride.

Andy/Nina: I don't think they had a scene together where it was just the two of them, but so much happened. I touched on this in another episode thread, I think for 3x18. For the first time since Julia died, someone has entered Andy's life in a more than friendship way. That changes everything. Up until that point, Andy never wanted a relationship, at least not one where he'd have to actually commit to it. I think it's finally becoming clear that Andy has feelings for Nina, we've known, just Andy's a bit slow on these things :) It scares him becuase for the first time, a nice, available (dating jake never counts lol) woman who loves him for him and knows his faults. And she still loves him anyway. And the best part is...SHE GETS HIM! Not like she nabs him at the series. She gets his personality. She gets his heart, his soul...everything. And Nina knows that Julia will always be in his heart and Andy will always remember her fondly, and talk about her quite often. And you know, she's okay with that. She gets that Andy/Julia had one of those rare relationships that Andy will probably never forgive himself for not treuly treasureing. But you know, Andy will make it right the second time around :)

everwoodfan52 09-25-2010 08:03 PM

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And then Ephram wrote her essay. I don't know weather to be happy or sick! I vaguely remember Harold asking Ephram, but I may have forgotten that he wanted Ephram to write her essay for her. I just remember Harold asking Ephram to talk her into Princeton, open up her options, don't center them all around one thing, or one person.
I don't think that Harold asked Ephram to write the essay. I believe that he asked Ephram to convince Amy to apply to Princeton...because Amy listened to Ephram. Well, Amy realized that Ephram was doing her dad's bidding...so she didn't agree to apply to Princeton. Therefore, Ephram decided to write her essay and mail the application.
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Ephram:Ephram....oh boy oh boy oh boy. He spent two days chasing something he ended up hitting a wall for. But seeing that house, that house a life attached to it. They had toys and Ephram knew his son was a in a good place, a healthy place. How was he supossed to just go and say 'i'm his father'. That's almost an adoptive parent's worst nightmare.
Ephram did the right thing. It was the unselfish thing to do.
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If Jake was the good guy, then why do we love to hate him so much? Because it's easy to point out the flaws of the ones who we know won't last.
I believe that most of us liked Jake. He was a good guy. It's just that most of us wanted Andy to end up with Nina. Jake was in the way. And it seemed that Jake was calling all the shots...Nina acted like a robot..listening to Jake even though in her heart..she was in love with Andy.
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Amy/Ephram:I like that Amy and Ephram talked. Seeing each other in the hallway, the stolen looks that would last one heart a lifetime of love. I honestly didn't think they'd talk.
If I remember correctly, Bright kind of convinced Ephram that he should cut Amy some slack because what happened wasn't her fault. That's what led to Ephram apologizing to Amy in the school hall.

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Harold/Rose: I don't know how it happened, but I have fallen in love with this couple, I never thought I could. I always thought they were just an old couple who outgrew each other, but I was wrong.
I always thought that Harold and Rose were a wonderful couple who really respected and loved each other. :)

break the window 09-25-2010 10:15 PM

I just look at Harold and Rose as the young high school couple who wanted to grow old together.

'Tos 09-26-2010 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Betty
I believe that most of us liked Jake. He was a good guy. It's just that most of us wanted Andy to end up with Nina. Jake was in the way. And it seemed that Jake was calling all the shots...Nina acted like a robot..listening to Jake even though in her heart..she was in love with Andy.

:nod: Luckily he called the final shot, though, or Nina would be robotically stuck with him at the end! But, yes, I liked Jake. Just not nearly as much as Andy or most of the other characters. He just..didn't feel quite as real as everyone else to me.

I loved Harold and Rose from the start. I don't think I ever felt they outgrew each other once, so I'm glad you're getting into them now, Patricia. :) I think they're the true love of the show. They're what every other couple wants to be.

break the window 09-26-2010 08:58 PM

:nod: you can definitely tell that Andy aspires to be like Harold. The doctor who leaves the office at 5pm, has deep conversations with both of his children and manages to have a great marriage as well.

It especially rings true now that Andy just might lose Ephram for good.

'Tos 09-27-2010 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by alternativechick (Post 50775624)
:nod: you can definitely tell that Andy aspires to be like Harold. The doctor who leaves the office at 5pm, has deep conversations with both of his children and manages to have a great marriage as well.

It especially rings true now that Andy just might lose Ephram for good.

Yes, I think there's a big jealousy thing going on with both Harold and Andy early on. Andy wants to be the father and family man Harold is, like you said, but Harold wants to be the doctor Andy is, and also the popular one Andy is. I think it's neat throughout the series how we see that Andy does get better as a father. Harold...well, he kind of just has to accept that Andy is the more popular one. :lol:

everwoodfan52 09-27-2010 08:50 PM

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Harold...well, he kind of just has to accept that Andy is the more popular one.
It is a sad fact that not everyone can be in the in-crowd. :lol:

break the window 09-27-2010 11:08 PM

Andy is just so darn cute :lol: And the humor he has with everyone in town makes him a shoe-in for most popular.

everwoodfan52 09-28-2010 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by alternativechick (Post 50804380)
Andy is just so darn cute :lol: And the humor he has with everyone in town makes him a shoe-in for most popular.

It's Andy's twinkle that I love so much. Although Harold probably makes better popcorn. :)

'Tos 09-28-2010 07:42 PM

Come on, guys, let's face it: it's all the beard. If Harold had the beard (oh, that's a scary thought, isn't it??) he would be the popular one! ;)

break the window 09-28-2010 10:33 PM

Harold having a little bit of a stuble is quite frightning.

the beard didn't make Andy better, Andy made the beard better.

Seeing the dream sequence in the Season 2 finale, oh my, he looks like two different people and younger.

everwoodfan52 09-29-2010 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by alternativechick (Post 50831045)
Harold having a little bit of a stuble is quite frightning.

the beard didn't make Andy better, Andy made the beard better.

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This is true. Andy's hair was scuffy as well and this went with the beard. Harold and scruffy hair just don't work. :lol:

break the window 09-29-2010 07:37 PM

if Harold ever donned scruff, I'd be thinking a mid-life crisis is in order

'Tos 09-29-2010 08:56 PM

Hee, yup, Harold scruffy or with a beard just wouldn't be Harold. The fun of him is how proper he tries to present himself. And how much of a goof he really can be. ;)


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