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Old 07-20-2016, 05:51 PM
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- Why would Aria lie about seeing Nicole's name turning up on Ezra's phone? She's listening to Emily on what to do? Emily is the same one who told Ali the medication/stress was causing her to hallucinate and see her mother and Wilden aka Mary and Fake Elliott! Aria, you should have told Ezra! This is going to come back to bite you. Plus, I can't believe MK is going with Nicole possibly returning!
I hate that Nicole is possibly returning, but I agree that Aria should have told Ezra about the phone call. In the background were sounds that could have indicated that Nicole was in danger. Erasing the message was ridiculous.

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- Seriously, man, now I am wondering if Emison is getting an endgame. I guess it depends on Ali's motive, but there was a slight amount of possible sexual tension between Emily and Ali. This is the first time I'm considering these two possibly ending up together if Ali's not going to turn out being book Ali.
I hope not. I kind of like the girl Emily is dating. I felt really badly for her when Emily kind of snubbed her because she was in a hurry.

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- When did Fake Elliott take all of Ali's money? Wow, that's just brutal. Will she get that back since the police are involved and realize (even if they don't know the full story) her money was stolen by a madman?
Good thing Aria brought over a casserole. Otherwise...how would Allison be able to eat? lol

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- Spencer, you idiot... seriously, if you have to call Caleb's ex to help you find him, doesn't that mean you have no business even thinking you should be with him? Seriously, Spencer, get with it! On top of it all... she went to Toby in order to find Caleb. Spencer needs a class on how to be a proper friend, girlfriend, human being for that matter at this point.
I could not get over how desperate Spencer is that she has to ask Hanna's help in finding Caleb and then to lower herself to ask Toby. Get over it, Spencer and move on. Caleb doesn't want you.

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- Emily and Aria were stupid detectives in this one... they touched all the evidence!
They were really gutsy going there in the first place. Perhaps they should have taken that cash and given it to Allison!

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I've been ripping Spencer but I did like her questioning why Hanna's wearing an engagement ring when she has feelings for someone else
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I don't understand why Hanna is not telling anyone of the breakup. For what reason?


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- I can't believe the proposal and the Nicole phone call was before it, along with Ezra not having any idea what's going on with Fake Elliott, etc. The proposal was smothered with drama and tension in other words and it does suck.
I'm wondering if Aria will say, "No." Ezra was so sweet. Of course the phone call messed everything up!
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- I am convinced Sabrina is shady. I can't explain why but I really think she is.
Really? I felt sorry for her!

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So Mary Drake, of course, is playing the "vulnerable" victim. Is anyone believing this? It doesn't even look like Mary Drake believes her own lies. This is absurd. I know Alison doesn't believer her, Alison doesn't believe anyone anymore, as she shouldn't.
I'm not believing any of it!


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Of course the girls have no evidence they were going to the apartment. I love Toby caring for the girls and their safety. I do love that he's a cop, he really does care. He really does want to find the truth and not have the girls implicated into anything. I have faith in Toby's cop abilities.
All I can say is, "Thank God it was him who showed up. " Toby and Mona these girls' heros!
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I hate that Nicole is possibly returning, but I agree that Aria should have told Ezra about the phone call. In the background were sounds that could have indicated that Nicole was in danger. Erasing the message was ridiculous.
Literally, 5 minutes ago I posted this on spoilers:

Yes, Aria was very wrong not telling him. I can't believe she listened to Emily and deleted the call. What if Nicole was imprisoned somewhere and it was her only way of getting help? You even heard background noise so she could have been able to somehow make the call but couldn't talk or else she'd be in trouble. Aria just ignores it?!?!?! That's awful.

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I hope not. I kind of like the girl Emily is dating. I felt really badly for her when Emily kind of snubbed her because she was in a hurry.
I'm not sure if I trust Sabrina. It seemed interesting that Emily was late for her exam then AD sends that message and gets her a score. Then Sabrina was asking about it. I feel like she could be in on it. I am not sure, though. I might be paranoid. I guess we'll see. Some people are speculating maybe she's Bethany!

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Good thing Aria brought over a casserole. Otherwise...how would Allison be able to eat? lol
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I could not get over how desperate Spencer is that she has to ask Hanna's help in finding Caleb and then to lower herself to ask Toby. Get over it, Spencer and move on. Caleb doesn't want you.
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They were really gutsy going there in the first place. Perhaps they should have taken that cash and given it to Allison!
I hope Jason gets his rear back to Rosewood. He obviously has money and can help her out. I'm shocked he doesn't know Fake Elliott was draining Ali's funds though. I am sure he could find a way to see what Alison's financial situation was within the company. Maybe not, but he just needs to get home already.

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I don't understand why Hanna is not telling anyone of the breakup. For what reason?
Well, she told Mona because Spencer/Caleb are having issues, she doesn't want to be the reason for them breaking up. She wants them to think she's still engaged I guess. I don't really get it but that's what she told Mona.

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All I can say is, "Thank God it was him who showed up. " Toby and Mona these girls' heros!
Big time!

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Old 07-21-2016, 04:40 AM
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Literally, 5 minutes ago I posted this on spoilers:

Yes, Aria was very wrong not telling him. I can't believe she listened to Emily and deleted the call. What if Nicole was imprisoned somewhere and it was her only way of getting help? You even heard background noise so she could have been able to somehow make hte call but couldn't talk or else she'd be in trouble. Aria just ignores it?!?!?! That's awful.
Wow...we have the same idea!
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I'm not sure if I trust Sabrina. It seemed interesting that Emily was late for her exam then AD sends that message and gets her a score. Then Sabrina was asking about it. I feel like she could be in on it. I am not sure, though. I might be paranoid. I guess we'll see. Some people are speculating maybe she's Bethany!
No, I don't think you're being paranoid. Not many people on this show are what they seem. Your reasoning makes sense. You're right...Emily was late for the test on Sabrina's watch.
I do have to add that the teacher who closed the blinds on Emily pissed the **** out of me! I don't believe that was necessary.
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Wow...we have the same idea!


No, I don't think you're being paranoid. Not many people on this show are what they seem. Your reasoning makes sense. You're right...Emily was late for the test on Sabrina's watch.
I do have to add that the teacher who closed the blinds on Emily pissed the **** out of me! I don't believe that was necessary.
I know, right?!?!?!?!

We get it, this is college, college professors do not hold your hand but how dramatic and insane of that professor to do that to Emily without one word?!!!!!!! The professor should have stepped outside and explained to Emily that if she entered the classroom while in progress her concern would be a disruption to those that were actively taking the exam, but they could talk about a make up.

I have never seen a teacher at any level do something like that! I have taught many courses at the college level and would never behave in that manner, and I know my colleagues wouldn't either! Even when you know a student screwed up or is lying about the reasoning... you still try to give a make up and would never ignore the student like that! Horrible!
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This is so dang good!

I just stopped working to watch this in full, I couldn't stop!

I think this person might have nailed the entire mystery. It's long so don't watch if you're busy but if you have the time it's worth the look!

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Mary Drake isn't even pretending to act normal, even her walk is sketchy! She's acting like a sociopath in every way. She literally went from crazy to nice and soft, welcoming in two seconds flat. Such manipulation on her part. She obviously wants Alison in fetal position.
It's like she's trying so hard to be Alison's good aunt that she's becoming even more sinister. It's just agonizing as to wh at her part is in all of this. It's obvious she's not really Alison's aunt. I'm wondering about the mask though, if it is a mask...I don't know it's all so weird.

Now that Elliott is missing, Mary Drake is acting more weird than ever. She's watching Alison more. Being so polite, too polite. Then she won't let Alison have any friends over. Any normal aunt would allow Aria to stay. Alison has been locked up in a hospital against her will for months. She needs comfort.

Mary Drake knows that the more Alison is around the Liars, the more they are going to figure out what's really going on. Seriously, it's only a matter of time, now.

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Definitely noted that she seemed bothered or at the very least, curious about Emily's dating life. Not sure if it's about controlling Emily or romantic jealousy, I guess we'll see.
Alison did have a certain look to her when Emily revealed she was seeing someone. There's still that connection between them, after all this time.

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Why wasn't Mary Drake around when Charlotte was in rehab?
EXACTLY! If she cares so much about what happens to her family, why not be there for Charlotte. How they are related is beyond me. First CeCe is Alison's long lost friend from college. Then she's transgender from Charles. Now it's like she was Mary Drake's own daughter the way the events were recounted with Spencer that day.

I just feel like all their connections are right in front of our faces and we're analyzing too much to notice.

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How did Fake Elliott get away with pretending to be a doctor for so many years? I don't quite understand this... at all! Oh my profession is consistently being ripped on this show, lol.
Many doctors can pass off to be a real doctor as long as they've taken the boards and passed. Most likely he passed with flying colors then got mixed up in something and was able to work the system. It's not common, but it happens. Crazy people can make people think they're sane.

Who knows what type of place Welby is. A chief of whatever not even knowing who's treating a patient. Come on, no one's that stupid and we know stupid!

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Why would Aria lie about seeing Nicole's name turning up on Ezra's phone? ... Aria, you should have told Ezra! This is going to come back to bite you. Plus, I can't believe MK is going with Nicole possibly returning!
Nicole has no storyline. Why in the world would she need to come back. She was just a setup to get Emily out of the country during their five or so year jump. She was only in a handful of episodes. Why write her back in?

A doesn't even need to get involved. If Nicole is calling or someone using her phone, they will call back. Ezra will know about this. Of course it's a dangerous situation because Ezra really loved Nicole, but he's always been in love with Aria, that will never change. But yeah, they always promised to tell each other the truth. Sure you can lie bout what you had for lunch. But lying about a missing girlfriend calling?

It does bother me that Ezra told Aria he went to see Nicole's parents and telling them that he's moved on. Yeah, that's honorable, but Ezra wasn't married to Nicole. They didn't have these years nd years together and all of a sudden it's over. They had to have known Ezra, a few months? That's not really something to know someone's life plans.

I don't believe he went to see her parents. I think that's why Ezra is getting a phone call from Nicole. He may have seen her, he may know she's alive. But either way, the meeting the parents story for coffee doesn't seem to be accurate.

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Why would Jenna care who killed Charlotte? Emily was right about wondering this.
Rememberer when CeCe was running away from Rosewood when Wilden was after her. CeCe has always known things. She knows a lot about the night that Alison disappeared. That night will always be left in the dark I think, until the very end. It's something that Jason can't remember, CeCe won't talk about it and Melissa cares too much about Spencer to breathe a word of it. What happened that was so bad that night?

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When did Fake Elliott take all of Ali's money? Wow, that's just brutal. Will she get that back since the police are involved and realize (even if they don't know the full story) her money was stolen by a madman?
I saw it as he froze her accounts, I might not've read the ATM screen well enough. I just thought her accounts were frozen. She can get them unfrozen unless she has this medical directive that only Elliott can sign off on things. I feel for Alison. She's losing everything. Her mother...who knows where the hell her father and Jason are. Now she's losing her financial security. What else can they take?

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I still can't believe Nicole might truly be alive. Seriously, MK... why? I predicted this would happen but it was one of those predictions I hoped I was wrong for making.
I get that it's the last year and they want to bring everyone back, but Nicole...she was in the show for a second. I barely remember her. Pointless.

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If A.D. wasn't Archer Dunhill, then who is it? I don't think Archer is A.D.
Too easy. I think Archer Dunhill is again, a fake name. HE created the dump apartment to throw everyone off. But really, what if he was the throw off. What if he's really working for A and A is stealing all of Alison's money. A knows how to set everything up.

AD isn't Archer Dunhill
AD isn't Alison DiLuarentis?

Who else could it be. I feel that we are SO CLOSE to nailing everything that we're just grabbing at everything missing out on the comments themselves.

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Spencer, you idiot... seriously, if you have to call Caleb's ex to help you find him, doesn't that mean you have no business even thinking you should be with him? Seriously, Spencer, get with it! On top of it all... she went to Toby in order to find Caleb. Spencer needs a class on how to be a proper friend, girlfriend, human being for that matter at this point.
Just when I thought Spencer couldn't sink any lower...she does. She practically tells Hanna to but out of their lives. But the second her sex toy is missing, she calls Hanna for help. And of course, Hanna being the good girl, gives her ideas. Seriously, Hanna just needs to throw Spencer's crap back in her face. Does Spencer realize how bad she's treating Hanna and then wanting favors? Can A just kill her now? Please?

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Spencer hooked up with a detective investigating Fake Elliott's disappearance and Toby's boss... she's on a roll.
I laughed hysterically. I mean what are the odds. I called him cop the moment he almost slipped her...well, you know. Then she goes and says "during a body". Words can always be used to hurt you. I guess the past seven years of being tormented by A hasn't taught her anything.

I get that Spencer wants to be a normal girl, not waiting for a tanning text or having to watch one your shoulder. But what about the other girls? What about their lives. Wouldn't Hanna want to have a fashion career without A having their blood on it. Aria marrying Ezra without any strings attached or creepy wedding photos. Then there's Alison who can't even come out of her bedroom without looking both ways to see what kind of trouble Mary Drake has for her.

Spencer has singled herself out so much from all of this she might as well leave town. Hell, I wouldn't miss her

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Shower Harvey looked like she took about a billion showers for her appearance tonight. She looked really pretty actually... crazy, weird, but pretty.
I agree, she looked...good. But what is her plan, with Jenna. They obviously know each other. What is their motive. What is Sara's connection to that dollhouse. What is her real name?

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I've been ripping Spencer but I did like her questioning why Hanna's wearing an engagement ring when she has feelings for someone else. Ding, ding, ding! Finally, you might be getting it Spencer! While you're at it, realize you still love Toby, stop being a terrible friend, person, and get your head on straight again!
This is really the first smart thing that Spencer has said for an entire season. Hanna is hiding her feelings when she keeps telling everyone she's engaged. I just wish she could be honest and open. I want her to look for Caleb and they reunite...with some make up sex involved

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Who is the man that broke Mary Drake's heart? The meaning behind "Little Sparrow" was clearly too personal for her. This is definitely one of the most important moments in the episode.
Not really sure it's a man who broke her heart. But something/someone definitely broke her. She's cold and vengeful. She is working with Elliott and wasn't too bothered by Alison getting totured in Welby.

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What side is Noel Kahn on?
This has always been a question of mine. He's always had a thing for Aria, so usually he helps her out when he can. Noel can never be trusted, no matter what side he wants to be on. He is apart of whatever happened the week that Alison disappeared. Not sure he was in on it or helped play everything out. But he's not innocent either.

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I am convinced Sabrina is shady. I can't explain why but I really think she is.
She does kind of rub me the wrong way. She seems into Emily but like she wants something but not really something horrible. Not totally figured out if she made Emily late for the test or it just ironically happened?

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That passport stuff makes me think that Fake Elliott and Wren are connected.
I keep going back to when Elliott went through the windshield. They focused on his face forever, like the fans to get a really good mental image of his face for later reference. They are becoming closer and closer to each other. It's almost like Wren is A and Elliott's been carrying out the last of his plans.

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Shower, Jenna and Noel now... should be interesting!
The dream team of nightmares

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Really good episode again! Time to take every moment apart, research, analyze after this one!
I get fidgety just thinking about another episode to analyze, take apart and throw up on the board and dissect, this is too good I can barely stand it!
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It's like she's trying so hard to be Alison's good aunt that she's becoming even more sinister. It's just agonizing as to wh at her part is in all of this. It's obvious she's not really Alison's aunt. I'm wondering about the mask though, if it is a mask...I don't know it's all so weird.
She's definitely crooked and out for blood but it's difficult to figure out what her actual motive is. She seemed to be either really honest with Alison or her story was planned and she knew what she was saying. She's creepy though and all is not what it seems with her. Her walk, her expressions, she's definitely up to no good.

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Now that Elliott is missing, Mary Drake is acting more weird than ever. She's watching Alison more. Being so polite, too polite. Then she won't let Alison have any friends over. Any normal aunt would allow Aria to stay. Alison has been locked up in a hospital against her will for months. She needs comfort.

Mary Drake knows that the more Alison is around the Liars, the more they are going to figure out what's really going on. Seriously, it's only a matter of time, now.
That's precisely why Mary didn't want Aria hanging out with Alison. She was even uncomfortable when they were talking briefly outside. She wants Alison locked inside away from the girls because you're right, she knows if the Liars get around Alison they will figure stuff out and that's the last thing she wants.

I wonder what her connection to Wren is. There has to be a connection. She mentioned London too.

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Alison did have a certain look to her when Emily revealed she was seeing someone. There's still that connection between them, after all this time.
It's a fascinating dynamic. It's so hard to tell what Alison truly feels for Emily. I've felt like it's always been about a convenient relationship for Alison. She knows she can use Emily's feelings in an attempt to manipulate her. But there are moments when I question if the feelings are somewhat genuine. I really don't know what to think at this point. I don't know if I'll ever be convinced until the final credits role and we know if TV Alison is close to the same as book Alison. I can't figure it out yet and I feel like the mystery won't be solved until the very end.

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EXACTLY! If she cares so much about what happens to her family, why not be there for Charlotte. How they are related is beyond me. First CeCe is Alison's long lost friend from college. Then she's transgender from Charles. Now it's like she was Mary Drake's own daughter the way the events were recounted with Spencer that day.
There's so many theories floating around that Charlotte lied in the finale of 6A and all or most of what she said wasn't true. Some people even believe she could be Bethany. I don't know, my head is spinning but if you really think about it... why are we trusting Charlotte's story as if it's truth? What if she has lied about certain things? It has never been 100% confirmed who Charlotte truly is, and certainly we have no idea who her parents are. Some people think Charlotte = Bethany and Wren = the real Charles. They are brother and sister. Again, I don't know, my head is spinning, I am not sure what to think!

But a couple things I find interesting:

1. The police never brought up the transgender stuff after Charlotte was killed and I assume someone examined the body.

2. We have yet to see Bethany's actual face, or meet her parents either. Why?

3. Wren is somewhat connected... Fake Elliott had an accent, Mary mentioned London. We know Wren had encounters with Mona, he drew an interesting drawing, we know his dad was mentally ill, we know there's a story told about Melissa, Charlotte and Wren and there's a reason why Melissa and Wren are separated.

So many possibilities here and there's many more as well!

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I just feel like all their connections are right in front of our faces and we're analyzing too much to notice.
I feel like the clues/hints/foreshadowing are certainly right in front of our faces and we probably are overthinking, lol. When you rewatch the early seasons it's very obvious Mona was the original A. Even CeCe (known as CeCe at the time) was seen spying on Aria/Ezra, had a Red Coat on, etc. Her guilt was all over the screen. Ashley Benson recently told the fans to listen to every word, do not miss a beat, watch, listen, take it in because all the clues are right in front of us!

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Many doctors can pass off to be a real doctor as long as they've taken the boards and passed. Most likely he passed with flying colors then got mixed up in something and was able to work the system. It's not common, but it happens. Crazy people can make people think they're sane.

Who knows what type of place Welby is. A chief of whatever not even knowing who's treating a patient. Come on, no one's that stupid and we know stupid!
That's what gets me! How on earth didn't he even know who was treating a patient? Seriously, that's insanely ridiculous. I want them to go back and find that guy at Welby who worked there and was staring at Emily almost begging her to ask him questions.

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Nicole has no storyline. Why in the world would she need to come back. She was just a setup to get Emily out of the country during their five or so year jump. She was only in a handful of episodes. Why write her back in?
Classic MK is why. So unnecessary. We all know Aria/Ezra will get married, and Ezra would always pick Aria above anyone else. In fact, he found Nicole because he was trying to get over Aria. This is wasted time that could be spent on the mystery. There's no choice here. Ezra will choose Aria always, always.

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A doesn't even need to get involved. If Nicole is calling or someone using her phone, they will call back. Ezra will know about this. Of course it's a dangerous situation because Ezra really loved Nicole, but he's always been in love with Aria, that will never change. But yeah, they always promised to tell each other the truth. Sure you can lie bout what you had for lunch. But lying about a missing girlfriend calling?
LOL Exactly. Emily gave really bad advice and Aria was dumb enough to take it. Aria should have immediately told Ezra and while she was at it, she should have told him that Hanna drove over Fake Elliott too. These are things he has to know!

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It does bother me that Ezra told Aria he went to see Nicole's parents and telling them that he's moved on. Yeah, that's honorable, but Ezra wasn't married to Nicole. They didn't have these years nd years together and all of a sudden it's over. They had to have known Ezra, a few months? That's not really something to know someone's life plans.

I don't believe he went to see her parents. I think that's why Ezra is getting a phone call from Nicole. He may have seen her, he may know she's alive. But either way, the meeting the parents story for coffee doesn't seem to be accurate.
That's a very interesting theory. Very possible. I do wonder why he'd propose to Aria then? Maybe he has worked it out already that he still wants to be with Aria and the Nicole thing is already being dealt with? If this is the case, it's kind of lame allowing his cell phone to ring in front of an alone Aria.

I just hope the Nicole situation is dealt with quickly.

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Rememberer when CeCe was running away from Rosewood when Wilden was after her. CeCe has always known things. She knows a lot about the night that Alison disappeared. That night will always be left in the dark I think, until the very end. It's something that Jason can't remember, CeCe won't talk about it and Melissa cares too much about Spencer to breathe a word of it. What happened that was so bad that night?
I know it! We've been waiting 7 plus years to find this out. LOL

I've always never understood why Melissa and Spencer never jumped into a car, a car they knew wasn't bugged, on a full tank of gas and just drove and drove and drove while Melissa explained everything to Spencer, everything under the sun so they're finally on the same page. Melissa knows a ton, but like you said, she's protecting Spencer, and always has been protecting her sister. She thinks it's best to tell her only what she needs to know. I think it was always the safer route telling her everything. Knowledge is power. Plus, Melissa and Spencer are brilliant intellects on their own, well the real Spencer that is... imagine their two brains colliding together? They would have solved every A related case immediately and we wouldn't have even had a TV series as a result.

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I saw it as he froze her accounts, I might not've read the ATM screen well enough. I just thought her accounts were frozen. She can get them unfrozen unless she has this medical directive that only Elliott can sign off on things. I feel for Alison. She's losing everything. Her mother...who knows where the hell her father and Jason are. Now she's losing her financial security. What else can they take?
Interesting. What's insane is if he tries to take from the accounts they'll nail him, won't they? I wonder if Alison can just get them to unfreeze her accounts then.

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I get that it's the last year and they want to bring everyone back, but Nicole...she was in the show for a second. I barely remember her. Pointless.
To be honest, I actually forgot that Emily has had scenes with Nicole! I didn't connect it that the same Nicole who started seeing Ezra was the same one Emily interacted with about summer opportunities. I realized it fairly recently when it was talked about on another forum.

Yes, there is absolutely zero reason to bring her back. It's all in the name of cheap drama for MK.

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Too easy. I think Archer Dunhill is again, a fake name. HE created the dump apartment to throw everyone off. But really, what if he was the throw off. What if he's really working for A and A is stealing all of Alison's money. A knows how to set everything up.

AD isn't Archer Dunhill
AD isn't Alison DiLuarentis?

Who else could it be. I feel that we are SO CLOSE to nailing everything that we're just grabbing at everything missing out on the comments themselves.
Agreed!

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Just when I thought Spencer couldn't sink any lower...she does. She practically tells Hanna to but out of their lives. But the second her sex toy is missing, she calls Hanna for help. And of course, Hanna being the good girl, gives her ideas. Seriously, Hanna just needs to throw Spencer's crap back in her face. Does Spencer realize how bad she's treating Hanna and then wanting favors? Can A just kill her now? Please?
I'm shocked Hanna is taking this so passively. She shouldn't! Hanna has always had a strong side to her, an I don't give a sht attitude if she's being messed with. Why isn't she going there with Spencer? It's like she's convinced she did something wrong, not Spencer!

Then again, this is how Hanna works when it comes to platonic relationships... remember Lucas liking her around the time Mona ran her over? < Only on PLL do you get a comment like this one and it's natural and no big deal.

Anyway, she was in the hospital recovering, Lucas barges in, kisses her. She politely talks to him about it, clearly still wants him in her life, she loves their friendship but doesn't return the feelings romantically. She was so sweet in how she explained it. Lucas freaked out, got pissed at Hanna for having the audacity to tell the truth and couldn't force herself to have romantic feelings for him, and the next several months we see Hanna feeling guilty, walking on eggshells around Lucas when she did nothing wrong but be sweet to Lucas while being totally honest with him!

This is how I see Hanna approaching the Spencer/Caleb situation. She did absolutely nothing wrong yet she's acting like she's guilty. Instead of bluntly asking Spencer how it felt to be talking to her WHILE she was off in Europe having an emotional affair with Caleb and lying to her face in silence or how she could ever have the guts and lack of heart to move in on the only guy she's ever truly loved, Hanna's acting like she owes Spencer the world. I hate it!

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I laughed hysterically. I mean what are the odds. I called him cop the moment he almost slipped her...well, you know. Then she goes and says "during a body". Words can always be used to hurt you. I guess the past seven years of being tormented by A hasn't taught her anything.

I get that Spencer wants to be a normal girl, not waiting for a tanning text or having to watch one your shoulder. But what about the other girls? What about their lives. Wouldn't Hanna want to have a fashion career without A having their blood on it. Aria marrying Ezra without any strings attached or creepy wedding photos. Then there's Alison who can't even come out of her bedroom without looking both ways to see what kind of trouble Mary Drake has for her.

Spencer has singled herself out so much from all of this she might as well leave town. Hell, I wouldn't miss her
I completely agree with you. This version of Spencer can take a hike, find the nearest cliff and jump.

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I agree, she looked...good. But what is her plan, with Jenna. They obviously know each other. What is their motive. What is Sara's connection to that dollhouse. What is her real name?
There's a theory going around that... the real Alison we're seeing is actually Bethany (Alison's twin) and the real Alison is Shower in a mask! I am not sure if that's what's happening. But obviously we have yet to get any true details on Shower and since she's hanging around like the biggest pain in the a$$ you could possibly have, her significance has to mean something.

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This is really the first smart thing that Spencer has said for an entire season. Hanna is hiding her feelings when she keeps telling everyone she's engaged. I just wish she could be honest and open. I want her to look for Caleb and they reunite...with some make up sex involved
Yes, and it would be nice when we can actually tolerate a sex scene since we've only been grossed out due to the Spencer/Caleb grossness.

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Not really sure it's a man who broke her heart. But something/someone definitely broke her. She's cold and vengeful. She is working with Elliott and wasn't too bothered by Alison getting totured in Welby.
There's still some sort of connection to the Hastings. Or at least that's what MK is wanting us to believe. Maybe it is a fake out, though. Either Peter or even Ken are involved. Where is Ken?! Where is Pastor Ted for that matter? Wouldn't it be something if somehow Pastor Ted was involved? Now watch he randomly appears and starts speaking with a British accent and is Wren's father.

Hey if Fake Elliott can pass for a shrink for years then Ted can pass for a pastor.

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This has always been a question of mine. He's always had a thing for Aria, so usually he helps her out when he can. Noel can never be trusted, no matter what side he wants to be on. He is apart of whatever happened the week that Alison disappeared. Not sure he was in on it or helped play everything out. But he's not innocent either.
Nope, not very innocent. It's interesting because Aria and Noel were in a very serious romantic relationship in the books. I am not sure if they ended up together but Noel was definitely Aria's Ezra in the books. On the TV show he's just a creep, lol.

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She does kind of rub me the wrong way. She seems into Emily but like she wants something but not really something horrible. Not totally figured out if she made Emily late for the test or it just ironically happened?
I know! It was weird how she asked Emily about it too. It really could be that she set up Emily to be late so AD could give her a score and Emily would owe this villain!

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I keep going back to when Elliott went through the windshield. They focused on his face forever, like the fans to get a really good mental image of his face for later reference. They are becoming closer and closer to each other. It's almost like Wren is A and Elliott's been carrying out the last of his plans.
I like this theory! It's very possible! We've thought Fake Elliott could be more in charge than he really is but we'll find out Wren is holding all the cards, manipulating everything.

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I agree! I love this!

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I can't tell if that's Fake Elliott or Wren calling Hanna.

Oh Aria, you won't spend your life behind bars but I'd worry more about Nicole possibly being in trouble and not telling Ezra what appears to be her cell called him!

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I saw this post and just love the analysis. Posts like this one are the reason why this show is so good, look at the analysis and thoughts, deep thoughts:

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I haven’t posted here before, but I wanted to get some feedback on a few ideas and questions. The show is pretty invested in a number of recurring themes and literary references. Recently I was thinking about allusions that might support the Ali twin theory. Sorry if this is a bit long, but here are some thoughts:
So, I’ve always had an issue with the depiction of Ali’s sexuality (not to mention the transphobia). I always wondered why she never really had a serious conversation with Emily about their feelings towards one another. It’s not even about labels because she’s obviously queer. My issue is with communication. We’ve had to sit through a million nauseating scenes of Ezra gushing over his sexually inappropriate relationship. But Emily and Ali scenes are confusing flashbacks or present clips of them not talking about the giant gay elephant in the room. This might be intentional.
Roses- Roses are constantly brought up. The April Rose shop, A sends roses, Charlotte is last seen with a rose, Ali goes to Bethany’s grave with a rose, etc. In Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, the Queen of Hearts paints white roses red. They also reference Shakespeare: “Deny thy father and refuse thy name…a rose by any other name would smell as sweet”.
Time and Perspective- The show seems really invested in the idea of perspective and how it shifts. They use eyes to frame perspective - eyes are the windows to the soul, pretty eyes, interesting eyes, etc. It’s also interesting to think about the ridiculous number of characters that have blue eyes and dark hair: Jenna, Wilden, Ezra, Toby, Aria, and Ian, etc. Time is another major theme. The camera constantly draws our gaze to different shots of clocks and watches. In Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, time and the disorientation of time are part of the narrative. Maybe this is telling the audience that what we see on screen is always skewed. I think this might be why Ali’s flashbacks are meant to be confusing.
Twin Evidence- Think about the story Ali tells in New York. She tells the liars some of what happened and then the scene cuts to flashbacks. We think all the flashbacks we’re seeing are her memories, but they aren’t. She tells the liars the last time she sees Toby is when she visits him in that what looks like a juvie camp for white suburban rappers. But in the flashback we see her greet toby in the barn. Other things are weird too. Sometimes she is seen wearing different jackets, a ring, a necklace, and bracelets on different hands.
Ali’s Boxes- In different versions of the Cinderella tale, identifying objects are used as markers. We’re most familiar with the glass slipper, but there are other versions of the story. Glass slippers, rings, bracelets, and anklets are some other examples. In one narrative, the prince collects a different trinket at each ball and ends up with a collection of items. I’m wondering if Ali’s boxes of trinkets might be used to identify twins. At some point the liars find two different boxes that Ali squirreled away under the floorboards. One box was found in Georgia and the other was in Rosewood.
Box 1- Georgia - Bow, plane, necklace, unicorn, voodoo doll, rose, angel, brush, marker
Box 2- A threats, doll, heart necklace, earing, buttons?
If you look at how Ali dresses throughout the series, she has 2 different styles that can be identified. In some scenes she wears rose prints and loud necklaces, seems religious, or wears scarves. In other scenes she wears silver necklaces and dangling earrings, hates the smell of roses, and seems pretty meh about church. So, maybe she has a twin?
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She's definitely crooked and out for blood but it's difficult to figure out what her actual motive is. She seemed to be either really honest with Alison or her story was planned and she knew what she was saying. She's creepy though and all is not what it seems with her. Her walk, her expressions, she's definitely up to no good.
It does seem that Mary Drake really does have something going on. She is working with Elliott, but in what capacity. They seem to have some sense of getting some type of money but different ways of going about it. I think with Elliott sort of out of the picture and Alison out of Welby, the plans seemed to have changed.

When Mary found out that Elliott had all of Alison's accounts frozen, I thought her head would explode. She admitted to him double crossing her. So there was a plan going on that they would both get that money. Did Alison catch up on that? Mary basically admitted that she was working with Elliott and he took it all away from her. So yeah, kind of wondering where the story is going with that.

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That's precisely why Mary didn't want Aria hanging out with Alison. She was even uncomfortable when they were talking briefly outside. She wants Alison locked inside away from the girls because you're right, she knows if the Liars get around Alison they will figure stuff out and that's the last thing she wants.
Exactly! Mary wants to control Alison in every way possible. That was the point of having Alison inside of Welby and Elliott making he crazy. That was part of the deal. To make Alison so crazy that taking the DiLaurentis money would be a piece of cake and Mary could get what she wanted.

But does Mary know exactly what Alison has had to endure for seven years? Being controlled, watched, your every move dissected to come back to you in every haunting way. Does Mary Drake have any idea what any of these girls have been through. They have survived worse than a fake aunt with an axe to grind. If Mary Drake thinks that she can work Alison over just by watching her and jotting down a few notes, this woman is in for a rude awakening.

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I wonder what her connection to Wren is. There has to be a connection. She mentioned London too.
The more this story goes along, the more Wren is not only involved, but really having a control over the entire operation. The money connection, Welby...it's all there. It's falling into Wren's lap. There's been a London connection for a long time, maybe we haven't seen it. Melissa living in London, alone, not really any contact. Spencer visiting London and some how A got into her bag, fumbling her London interview. So yeah, I'm really seeing Wren implicating this one. I just can't figure out why he would put this entire operation together. What ties does he have to ruin the Liars lives? It can't be only Alison that made someone's life hell and the rest of the girls are just along for the torturous ride?

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It's a fascinating dynamic. It's so hard to tell what Alison truly feels for Emily. I've felt like it's always been about a convenient relationship for Alison. She knows she can use Emily's feelings in an attempt to manipulate her. But there are moments when I question if the feelings are somewhat genuine. I really don't know what to think at this point. I don't know if I'll ever be convinced until the final credits role and we know if TV Alison is close to the same as book Alison. I can't figure it out yet and I feel like the mystery won't be solved until the very end.
These two always puzzle me. It's like a "will they...won't they" the of scenario that's been going on since the pilot. So now that we're here, seven years later, they're still dancing around this. tbh, I think Emily can do a lot better than Alison. Alison is totally manipulative to everyone. It's like a sidekick she has, it's always going to be there. I'd always be wondering does she really love Emily or is she just using her as some sort of something to get by until she finds someone else. I just never really saw them as a thing passed their freshman year of high school. I think Alison might be bisexual, but as far as being compatible with Emily...I just never felt it.

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There's so many theories floating around that Charlotte lied in the finale of 6A and all or most of what she said wasn't true. Some people even believe she could be Bethany. I don't know, my head is spinning but if you really think about it... why are we trusting Charlotte's story as if it's truth? What if she has lied about certain things? It has never been 100% confirmed who Charlotte truly is, and certainly we have no idea who her parents are. Some people think Charlotte = Bethany and Wren = the real Charles. They are brother and sister. Again, I don't know, my head is spinning, I am not sure what to think!
I've always thought the Charles/CeCe/Charlotte story about transgender and reassignment thing was a bit far fetched. It think MK was grasping as straws for some sort of reveal and she loves to bring on the LGBT thing. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that. But she made this entire story in the Season 6 finale and now looking at everything, it looks to be a complete lie. Why is Charlotte saying all of these things, if it is Charlotte.

It would make perfect sense that she is Bethany. But the way Mary Drake acted, I can almost put a finger on that she is Mary's daughter. Why did Charlotte adopt the name CeCe Drake? Why did she use that name. Before this season, we never knew that Mary Drake really existed. Is Drake Jessica's maiden name? I'm just really confused on how this last name Drake transcends. CeCe is related almost more to the DiLaurentis family more than a transgender screwed up kid.

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The police never brought up the transgender stuff after Charlotte was killed and I assume someone examined the body.
Would they bring it up? I know the Rosewood Police is crooked at best, but why would it be discussed. I mean I don't think, in ordinary cases, a transgender person wouldn't really be relevant. I don't know, her being transgender doesn't strike me as something that would be on discovery row I just don't see it relevant, but that means it probably will be in some future episode.

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We have yet to see Bethany's actual face, or meet her parents either. Why?
Do we even know what she looks like? I can't remember even we've even seen her. I know she had blond hair and was very close to Alison as far as looks. But do we know anything about her, really...it's all so muffled now. I can't even think anymore thoughts...just so much

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Wren is somewhat connected... Fake Elliott had an accent, Mary mentioned London. We know Wren had encounters with Mona, he drew an interesting drawing, we know his dad was mentally ill, we know there's a story told about Melissa, Charlotte and Wren and there's a reason why Melissa and Wren are separated.
Do you think all of this has something to do with Melissa at first and it spiraled from there? It all has to do with what's going on in London. It's something that has to do with Melissa. Why can't she tell Spencer. What does Wren and Spencer have in common. That's what I'm thinking it's coming down to.

Why can't Melissa tell Spencer what happened. I keep going back to the night that they were on that bridge that night. Melissa so wanted to tell Spencer so badly, but she knows how badly it would hurt Spencer. The way Melissa kept holding back, it would not only hurt Spencer, it would destroy her. I hope they go back to that conversation, because that's what's sticking right now. It's a connection. It's the reason why Wren hasn't returned to Rosewood. It's the reason why Wren dated Spencer. Wren never liked Spencer, it was just all apart of the game. It's kind of all making sense now. We just have that little piece that's missing and the puzzle will be complete.

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When you rewatch the early seasons it's very obvious Mona was the original A. Even CeCe (known as CeCe at the time) was seen spying on Aria/Ezra, had a Red Coat on, etc. Her guilt was all over the screen. Ashley Benson recently told the fans to listen to every word, do not miss a beat, watch, listen, take it in because all the clues are right in front of us!
I feel like if we comb through the entire series...episode by episode, word for word, we might come close to figuring it out. We cannot miss anything. We only have a handful of episodes of the series left. Every breath is a bomb...every episode is a notch off the A belt to really undoing everything that has been hidden for seven years. I just can't think anymore. I feel like we are so stupid in overlooking the one pivotal part to overanalyze the non important parts. This season will kill us!

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That's what gets me! How on earth didn't he even know who was treating a patient? Seriously, that's insanely ridiculous. I want them to go back and find that guy at Welby who worked there and was staring at Emily almost begging her to ask him questions.
This is my question...what place is Welby. Is it even a real hospital. Sure they're investigating Welby. But that doesn't mean anything. They could be finding out the history of Welby, see what type of facility it is. It could be a one man operation made to look like a hospital but really to take down Alison. I mean Wren has funds out the wazoo, running a place like that doesn't take much money in the ways of just treating one patient, using a few drugs here and there that can be purchased cheap off the black market.

I hate that this is getting more complicated when I feel like we should be getting more answers.

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We all know Aria/Ezra will get married, and Ezra would always pick Aria above anyone else. In fact, he found Nicole because he was trying to get over Aria. This is wasted time that could be spent on the mystery. There's no choice here. Ezra will choose Aria always, always.
Ezra and Aria aren't just your normal couple with a few bumps in the road. They just didn't have A on their asses all the time when they were just dating. They had everything against them. She was his student for crying out loud. She was a girl he met in a bar before he began a new teaching job in a new town. That girl turned out to be his student. Not only his student, but his student who turned out to be the one woman he can never live without. That bond is to never be broken. Can't be broken, no matter what girl comes along for Ezra...no matter what guy comes along for Aria. We know that no one else works for them. They have come too far and are far too connected for Nicole, who lasted for about a minute to really come between them. She's just a...footnote in someone else's love story.

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LOL Exactly. Emily gave really bad advice and Aria was dumb enough to take it. Aria should have immediately told Ezra and while she was at it, she should have told him that Hanna drove over Fake Elliott too. These are things he has to know!
Emily is so stupid! Don't they know that secrets always end up badly. Has the past six or seven years not taught them anything. I mean, Emily is so dumb. What would it hurt that Ezra was told about the phone call. Is Aria really that so insecure about her relationship with Ezra that she can't tell him about a phone call from beyond the grave? This is just like they were back in high school and being late for a physics final. What is happening to them. is the idea of an A-less world really getting to them already? Spencer sleeping with a random guy turning to to be a cop...working with Toby no less. Emily telling Aria to ignore a phone call from beyond the grave. Then Alison and Emily pausing at the idea of a couple? Did we trip back six years or something because I don't remember watching Season 1 all over again.

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That's a very interesting theory. Very possible. I do wonder why he'd propose to Aria then? Maybe he has worked it out already that he still wants to be with Aria and the Nicole thing is already being dealt with? If this is the case, it's kind of lame allowing his cell phone to ring in front of an alone Aria.
In a perfect world...yes. A lot of times proposals happen because of fear. Ezra is afraid of losing Aria, so he proposes to her. So he keeps her by his side. No matter what happens he wants Aria in his life forever. I just hate that we have this stupid phone call.

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I'm shocked Hanna is taking this so passively. She shouldn't! Hanna has always had a strong side to her, an I don't give a sht attitude if she's being messed with. Why isn't she going there with Spencer? It's like she's convinced she did something wrong, not Spencer!
That's what I hate about this entire thing. Hanna is walking around on eggshells to everyone just so she won't break someone's nail. While in all she is dying on the inside. She has memories of being tortured. She has to watch the guy she loves more than life itself fall over a girl who treats him like dirt. What does Hanna thinks she's gaining in all of this.
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It does seem that Mary Drake really does have something going on. She is working with Elliott, but in what capacity. They seem to have some sense of getting some type of money but different ways of going about it. I think with Elliott sort of out of the picture and Alison out of Welby, the plans seemed to have changed.

When Mary found out that Elliott had all of Alison's accounts frozen, I thought her head would explode. She admitted to him double crossing her. So there was a plan going on that they would both get that money. Did Alison catch up on that? Mary basically admitted that she was working with Elliott and he took it all away from her. So yeah, kind of wondering where the story is going with that.
It's shocking to me that Alison accepted her story and didn't go ape over her aunt working with some horrible guy who manipulated her and stole her money, with her aunt even admitting she wanted her niece to go down too financially as a way to get justice for Charlotte's death.

Like, how on earth is Alison allowing Mary to live with her, giving her water over this? LOL I know she has no other choice legally at the moment but I would fight that. Maybe Alison thinks having her under her roof is an easier way to keep on eye on her. But I find it so bizarre that her aunt admits all of this and they're living with each other, lol.

Definitely Mary was double crossed by Fake Elliott though. Her reaction was raw and real. Their plan went south along the way. Why wouldn't Alison try and get more info out of her then? It's so weird how they left it. Granted, we know Mary would probably lie but I couldn't imagine living side by side with an aunt that tried to take me down!

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Exactly! Mary wants to control Alison in every way possible. That was the point of having Alison inside of Welby and Elliott making he crazy. That was part of the deal. To make Alison so crazy that taking the DiLaurentis money would be a piece of cake and Mary could get what she wanted.

But does Mary know exactly what Alison has had to endure for seven years? Being controlled, watched, your every move dissected to come back to you in every haunting way. Does Mary Drake have any idea what any of these girls have been through. They have survived worse than a fake aunt with an axe to grind. If Mary Drake thinks that she can work Alison over just by watching her and jotting down a few notes, this woman is in for a rude awakening.
So true and good point wondering what precisely Mary Drake knows about the Liars and her niece.

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The more this story goes along, the more Wren is not only involved, but really having a control over the entire operation. The money connection, Welby...it's all there. It's falling into Wren's lap. There's been a London connection for a long time, maybe we haven't seen it. Melissa living in London, alone, not really any contact. Spencer visiting London and some how A got into her bag, fumbling her London interview. So yeah, I'm really seeing Wren implicating this one. I just can't figure out why he would put this entire operation together. What ties does he have to ruin the Liars lives? It can't be only Alison that made someone's life hell and the rest of the girls are just along for the torturous ride?
Yes, and remember even Toby went to London searching for answers and he had a weird encounter too. Wren is a huge part of this. Mona knows it too. Too bad Mona won't spill to the Liars what she knows about Wren from her days in Radley while interacting with him... she knew precisely what Wren was doing back then. The information she has to could very well connect everything together. But what if Mona doesn't want to reveal the information?

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These two always puzzle me. It's like a "will they...won't they" the of scenario that's been going on since the pilot. So now that we're here, seven years later, they're still dancing around this. tbh, I think Emily can do a lot better than Alison. Alison is totally manipulative to everyone. It's like a sidekick she has, it's always going to be there. I'd always be wondering does she really love Emily or is she just using her as some sort of something to get by until she finds someone else. I just never really saw them as a thing passed their freshman year of high school. I think Alison might be bisexual, but as far as being compatible with Emily...I just never felt it.
Agreed!

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I've always thought the Charles/CeCe/Charlotte story about transgender and reassignment thing was a bit far fetched. It think MK was grasping as straws for some sort of reveal and she loves to bring on the LGBT thing. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that. But she made this entire story in the Season 6 finale and now looking at everything, it looks to be a complete lie. Why is Charlotte saying all of these things, if it is Charlotte.

It would make perfect sense that she is Bethany. But the way Mary Drake acted, I can almost put a finger on that she is Mary's daughter. Why did Charlotte adopt the name CeCe Drake? Why did she use that name. Before this season, we never knew that Mary Drake really existed. Is Drake Jessica's maiden name? I'm just really confused on how this last name Drake transcends. CeCe is related almost more to the DiLaurentis family more than a transgender screwed up kid.
Yes! There's so many unanswered questions here.

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Would they bring it up? I know the Rosewood Police is crooked at best, but why would it be discussed. I mean I don't think, in ordinary cases, a transgender person wouldn't really be relevant. I don't know, her being transgender doesn't strike me as something that would be on discovery row I just don't see it relevant, but that means it probably will be in some future episode.
Well... if they were trying to identify her family background, etc. I don't know... you'd think the medical examiner would see female for a gender on the death certificate and then wonder why zero female parts were found during the autopsy. It's just something that would have to be noted in the notes and the police, you would think, could better research Charlotte, where she came from, and it might implicate others in the process too.

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Do we even know what she looks like? I can't remember even we've even seen her. I know she had blond hair and was very close to Alison as far as looks. But do we know anything about her, really...it's all so muffled now. I can't even think anymore thoughts...just so much
We have no idea what she looks like minus looking like Alison. That's it. I don't get why we haven't seen her body, or seen her in flashbacks and where the hell's her parents? There HAS to be a reason why Bethany is a character we need to know about yet we don't... know about just yet!

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Do you think all of this has something to do with Melissa at first and it spiraled from there? It all has to do with what's going on in London. It's something that has to do with Melissa. Why can't she tell Spencer. What does Wren and Spencer have in common. That's what I'm thinking it's coming down to.

Why can't Melissa tell Spencer what happened. I keep going back to the night that they were on that bridge that night. Melissa so wanted to tell Spencer so badly, but she knows how badly it would hurt Spencer. The way Melissa kept holding back, it would not only hurt Spencer, it would destroy her. I hope they go back to that conversation, because that's what's sticking right now. It's a connection. It's the reason why Wren hasn't returned to Rosewood. It's the reason why Wren dated Spencer. Wren never liked Spencer, it was just all apart of the game. It's kind of all making sense now. We just have that little piece that's missing and the puzzle will be complete.
Wren romanced Spencer back in the day, just like Ian did. They both needed to sort of get her controlled and stifled and off the trail of what they were really up to.

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I feel like if we comb through the entire series...episode by episode, word for word, we might come close to figuring it out. We cannot miss anything. We only have a handful of episodes of the series left. Every breath is a bomb...every episode is a notch off the A belt to really undoing everything that has been hidden for seven years. I just can't think anymore. I feel like we are so stupid in overlooking the one pivotal part to overanalyze the non important parts. This season will kill us!
I know!

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This is my question...what place is Welby. Is it even a real hospital. Sure they're investigating Welby. But that doesn't mean anything. They could be finding out the history of Welby, see what type of facility it is. It could be a one man operation made to look like a hospital but really to take down Alison. I mean Wren has funds out the wazoo, running a place like that doesn't take much money in the ways of just treating one patient, using a few drugs here and there that can be purchased cheap off the black market.

I hate that this is getting more complicated when I feel like we should be getting more answers.
I know! The Liars aren't researching Welby like they should be doing. I don't get it! They should also be all over The Lost Woods Resort too. They seem to be on the defense more than on offense and that's what's going to get them in trouble.

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Ezra and Aria aren't just your normal couple with a few bumps in the road. They just didn't have A on their asses all the time when they were just dating. They had everything against them. She was his student for crying out loud. She was a girl he met in a bar before he began a new teaching job in a new town. That girl turned out to be his student. Not only his student, but his student who turned out to be the one woman he can never live without. That bond is to never be broken. Can't be broken, no matter what girl comes along for Ezra...no matter what guy comes along for Aria. We know that no one else works for them. They have come too far and are far too connected for Nicole, who lasted for about a minute to really come between them. She's just a...footnote in someone else's love story.
That's very true. The good news is there is not enough time in the series to explore Nicole coming back full time or whatever. Whether she comes back or it's an AD trick, I have a feeling it will be a pretty quick conclusion.

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Emily is so stupid! Don't they know that secrets always end up badly. Has the past six or seven years not taught them anything. I mean, Emily is so dumb. What would it hurt that Ezra was told about the phone call. Is Aria really that so insecure about her relationship with Ezra that she can't tell him about a phone call from beyond the grave? This is just like they were back in high school and being late for a physics final. What is happening to them. is the idea of an A-less world really getting to them already? Spencer sleeping with a random guy turning to to be a cop...working with Toby no less. Emily telling Aria to ignore a phone call from beyond the grave. Then Alison and Emily pausing at the idea of a couple? Did we trip back six years or something because I don't remember watching Season 1 all over again.
Pretty much. It seems like most of the Liars have learned nothing.

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In a perfect world...yes. A lot of times proposals happen because of fear. Ezra is afraid of losing Aria, so he proposes to her. So he keeps her by his side. No matter what happens he wants Aria in his life forever. I just hate that we have this stupid phone call.
I know, it's so lame. The only good part is I believe it will show that Nicole around or not, Aria has always been the love of his life and that's never changing.

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That's what I hate about this entire thing. Hanna is walking around on eggshells to everyone just so she won't break someone's nail. While in all she is dying on the inside. She has memories of being tortured. She has to watch the guy she loves more than life itself fall over a girl who treats him like dirt. What does Hanna thinks she's gaining in all of this.
I know, it's such a sad and frustrating situation. I want Hanna confronting Spencer on so many things. I know it's not happening but oh well, hopefully Spencer/Caleb collapse for good and this nightmare storyline is gone for good.

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Dang, I forgot we don't have an all new tonight. So depressing.
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just a thought...

Are the girls afraid of finding A? They're afraid of finding who it is and why the games for the past 7 years? Are they afraid of it being over, realizing what a real, normal life is really like without having possessive text messages all the time.
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Are the girls afraid of finding A? They're afraid of finding who it is and why the games for the past 7 years? Are they afraid of it being over, realizing what a real, normal life is really like without having possessive text messages all the time.
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just a thought...

Are the girls afraid of finding A? They're afraid of finding who it is and why the games for the past 7 years? Are they afraid of it being over, realizing what a real, normal life is really like without having possessive text messages all the time.
You bring up a great point. Especially given how easily they've fallen back into the Rosewood life without caring too much, even embracing it actually. It's like it's comfortable for them. Every one of the Liars was living a life that was fairly fake if you think about it:

1. Aria had a good job but was with Liam and clearly wasn't over Ezra. Now her career has changed to writing books with Ezra and not having to be anywhere but Rosewood and wherever they want to go on book tours.
2. Hanna had a job in a field she likes but was engaged to a guy she didn't want to bring around her mother, and obviously she didn't love him like she loves Caleb. She wasn't over Caleb.
3. Emily was lying about graduating from college, having a fake job, etc. She was broke and didn't truly have a degree or the job she was claiming she had.
4. Spencer was involved in a very wrong emotional affair/eventual sexual relationship with her best friend's ex. She had a good job in DC but the second she got back to Rosewood she was fine letting her responsibilities slip and essentially losing the job.

It really does feel like they were almost waiting for A to return so they could get on with their lives for as messed up as it sounds. Dealing with A was reality for them and I feel like deep down they were just waiting to continue to go there. So I think a part of them wanted this again so they could finally deal with A once and for all and another part of them feels like it's comfortable and dealing with A brings them back day and day with the people they truly love too... their friendships as well as significant others they never truly got over.
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