Everwood - Andy/Nina/Jake triangle.. Thoughts, preferences, how do you see it resolving?

Wilpen · 10-01-2005, 10:59 AM

Well, I think the thread title is pretty self explanatory.

What do you guys think? I will save my thoughts for later on because I am known to write long posts, so I'll save you guys the read for now and just let you jump right in and state your own thoughts.

How did you feel whenever the premiere took place and Nina made her choice? Do you see the choice of Jake as being the one that she ultimately wanted? Who does she really love? Jake watched Andy/Nina dancing and he seemed nervous and stepped in.. Why? Is he seeing something going on between Andy/Nina? Was Nina right whenever she said that Andy isn't truly in love with her? How do you see this triangle ultimately being resolved? Who do you personally want Nina to be with? Who will Nina ultimately end up with? Will she stay with Jake or will she end up with Andy?

Okay, I threw out a bunch of questions off the top of my head. Go ahead and take a stab at them and/or add any new questions you think of, etc.

Opening it up to discussion now.

***Enigma*** · 10-01-2005, 01:27 PM

I have wanted a Nina/Andy pairing forever and I still do. But, having said that, I wasn't too disappointed with the way things worked out in the premier. In fact I pretty much expected it. Having the guy you have loved for years finally tell you that he loves you would normally be a wonderful thing. But, what happens when this revelation comes after you are already in a relationship with someone else and are in fact moving in with that person? The timing sucked to say the least. As blown away as I'm sure Nina was by hearing Andy say those words, her heart/life were with Jake at that point and Andy's admission turned her world upside down. I'm not at all surprised by Nina's reaction. Even if you have already moved on with someone, it's only natural that you are going to re-think/re-evaluate things when someone you have loved for a long time says that they love you.......especially if it's someone that you never actually had a relationship (romantic) with. Nina's situation is further complicated by the fact that she has fallen in love with Jake and that Jake has been nothing but wonderful to her. Not to mention she has a son who has really taken to Jake. So, whether Nina has an inkling of doubt about her love for Jake, or whether she thinks she might still love Andy, she's in a very difficult spot right now. Would things have been different if Nina/Jake had stayed in Everwood all summer and Jake hadn't sprung the Hawaii suprise on Nina? I don't know. What about if Nina/Jake hadn't made the decision to live together? What about if Sam wasn't so attached to Jake? What about if Nina called Andy over the summer or Andy called/confronted Nina right when she got back home from Hawaii? We'll never know I guess, but based on the premier, I think it's fair to say that Nina has struggled all summer with her feelings for Jake and Andy both. In fact I think she still is. At least up until the moment where Jake surprises her with the restaurant name (Sam's).....which was incredibly sweet by the way. You could tell that at that moment the struggle inside her went away and that she realized just how much she loved and wanted to be with Jake. And yet, when I saw Andy and Nina dance at the wedding, I clearly saw a love between these two that can't be denied. I believe Jake saw this too and is of course worried which is why he stepped in. I'm not spoiled so I'm not sure if Nina told Jake about Andy's revelation to her at the beginning of the summer and how she has been struggling with it, etc. I'm not sure if that's what we were supposed to infer from the conversation that Nina/Jake had on the bed. But, whether Nina did or didn't tell Jake about Andy's revelation, Jake has seen the special relationship that Nina/Andy have ever since he has been in town. I could see why he would feel threatened or be worried. This is an interesting triangle for me because I've always been a big Nina/Andy fan. But, like alot of viewers last year, Andy fell out of my favor in a big way. I started to dislike him quite a bit for several reasons. Not to mention I wanted to see someone appreciate and love Nina since Andy kept overlooking what was right in front of his eyes. I wanted to see Nina happy and in love for once. I'll be the first to admit I wasn't sure about Jake at first, but I came to really like him. I also wasn't sure about Nina/Jake at first, but I have to say that I really liked seeing them flirt and then date and then get serious, etc. They have been a joy to watch and I really have come to like them as a couple. Jake has been nothing but wonderful to Nina. How ironic is it that Jake is essentially the one who opened Andy's eyes to Nina? I was delighted to see Andy finally see what has been in front of him all along. Ultimately I think Nina/Andy have a love that can't be denied, and I hope these two will eventually be together. I don't mind a triangle as long as it is written well. For me it will be a huge cop out though if they all the sudden turn Jake into someone that starts treating Nina horribly, etc. I look forward to whatever the writers have in store, no matter what the outcome, as long as it is done well.

Addressing some of the other questions asked.

I do think that in her last conversations with Andy and Jake that Nina was very sure of her choice/love for Jake. However, I think that even if she can't admit or see it right now, that Nina still loves Andy. I think a part of her is angry with him for choosing to wait until a moment that she was happy and in love to say that he loved her. Not that she's holding this against him....I'm just saying that feeling is there I'm sure. I also think that Jake's love for Nina and all the great things he has done and continues to do for her is overpowering any doubts or compulsion she might have been feeling to choose Andy.

I don't think Nina was right when she said Andy didn't really love her. But, I get what she was saying because it's true that there are times in life when we really think we're in love with someone or that we think we know what love is but later in life realize it was never really love at all or that we didn't truly know what love was.

Other questions to throw out. Was it selfish of Andy to tell Nina how he felt? Was Nina unselfish over the years because she kept her feelings for Andy to herself because she saw he was happy or in love? Should she have told him?

Wilpen · 10-01-2005, 02:32 PM

Wow. That was one incredible post, DreamWalker. It was a joy to read.

I could write a book, commenting on how much I love your post but I will just say WORD, and answer the wonderful questions that you posed..

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Was it selfish of Andy to tell Nina how he felt? Was Nina unselfish over the years because she kept her feelings for Andy to herself because she saw he was happy or in love? Should she have told him?

As far as if it was selfish of Andy to tell Nina.. That is a great question. I mean, I think it was great that Andy told Nina because he had every right to tell her what he was feeling. They are best friends and I actually think Nina was picking up on Andy's feelings anyway. She totally noticed how awkward he was acting and how he was nervously reacting to her hugs, etc. I think it was inevitable that Nina was going to put 2 +2 together and quickly realize it = 4 in no time.

So, Andy was right to tell her because his actions were guiding that conclusion, anyway. However, do I think it was, timing wise, sort of off? Yeah, I guess a little. I mean, Andy saw how seemingly happy Nina was with Jake, that's for sure. However, Andy also found out from Jake that Nina was in love with him a while back so that had to be a huge reason as to why Andy went ahead with telling her. Andy knew that obviously Nina had feelings for him so it's not like Andy thought that his feelings for her were one sided.. He gathered it was a mutual thing, even if Nina also felt something for Jake.

So yeah, I am glad that Andy told Nina. I think with all the factors involved, he was right to tell her.

As far as Nina being unselfish by keeping her feelings for Andy over the years. Most definitely. I honestly think Nina was thinking of Andy whenever she declined in telling him how she really felt. I think it was noble and completely unselfish of her. She was certainly only thinking of Andy.

Do I think she should have told him? Hell yeah, I really do. Why? Because quite honestly, if Nina would have told Andy sooner, I do believe Andy would have realized his feelings for Nina much, much sooner as well. It would have forced him to face reality.

However, the main reason why I would have wanted Nina to say something was because she deserved to say something. I didn't like seeing her pining away for Andy and Andy clueless as ever. Who knows, maybe Andy never would have hooked up with Amanda if Nina would have told Andy. That would have been so worth it, let me tell you.

Either way, I'm very glad that Andy found out, ironically, through Jake, that Nina had feelings for him. That was most excellent. Andy had already realized that he had feelings for her so it only further got the ball rolling as far as Andy telling Nina he was in love with her.

***Enigma*** · 10-01-2005, 04:06 PM

Thanks Wilpen.

I lurk more often than I post because of time constraints, so it was fun to sit down today and respond to the thread you started. I have liked Everwood from the beginning but unlike some shows that I watch, Everwood has continuously gotten better and better. I have no doubts that this season will continue that trend. I look forward to what's in store.

Selfish or not, I was proud of Andy for telling Nina how he felt. I think Andy is learning from past mistakes and has seen that not being honest with someone can really come back to haunt you and/or hurt them. So, while the timing might have sucked I think it was a big step for Andy to take that step forward and be honest with himself and with Nina. Andy had been keeping his changing/growing feelings for Nina in because he saw how happy she was with Jake. But, when Jake told Andy about Nina's feelings for him, I think he saw that if he was ever going to say anything it should be at that point in time. Andy knew that things were progressing with Nina and Jake, so I think it was much better for Andy to lay it all out at that point instead of holding everything in and then everything coming out later down the line when things had progressed even further with Nina/Jake.

And yes, I so agree that if Nina had told Andy sooner he might never have hooked up with Amanda and boy do I wish that had been the case.

True Daisy lover · 10-01-2005, 04:29 PM

I was actually glad that Andy told Nina how he felt, but I also felt that in a way he was too little late kind thing, and I felt he shouldnt have just told her righ then and there especially when he knew the cirumstances between Nina and Jake, I just thought Andy, I am glad that you told her, but that was a dumbass move on you part. I mean how could he NOT see that once he told Nina how he felt that it would be a difficult position for her to be in. Especially since he also KISSED her, I mean come on, I guess in a way that was also selfish on his part which leads me back to my point too little late kinda thing.

But I am glad that he got that out though, he admitted his feelings and Nina now knows and even though she chose jake, I think Andy needs to take a step back and realize that what he wants the most wont always be around standing in front of him. so yes we are going to be seeing andy pining away for his feelings for Nina but hopefully he can also appreciate her more than he has in the past,

As for Nina, we are going to be seeing her strugglie with her feelings for andy, and I think in her heart that she is just settling for Jake, because in her mind he is gicing her everything that she expected Andy to give her but too late and that is why Jake is her self choice for the time being. Its like she isnt really with Jake out of obligation is because she doesnt want to feel the hurt of rejection that she got by andy again therefore making her making her make decisions she herself probaby will end up being unhappy with in the end.

As for Jake, sorry never liked... I like scott wolf and he was awesome as Bailey, but why is that every character that he plays has to have to have some kind of drug problem

I cant feel or root for Jake to be the person Nina should be with.

xxlisaxx · 10-01-2005, 05:31 PM

I'm just going to answer these questions you posted because it's easier and I'm feeling kind of lazy at the moment.

How did you feel whenever the premiere took place and Nina made her choice?
I was more than relieved that Nina chose Jake. I don't like Nina with Andy. It's the only couple on the show that I've never shipped or didn't want to happen. I just don't think he deserves her. He didn't deserve her when he came to Everwood, he doesn't deserve her now, and I don't think he ever will. Choosing Jake was the best choice for her, imo.

Do you see the choice of Jake as being the one that she ultimately wanted?
I do. I think, like most people who've had long crushes, she thought she'd automatically want Andy if he ever wanted her, but when he finally confessed his love, she was confused. I think that by taking away the "can't have him" part of her feelings for Andy, it kind of made her want for him smaller.

Who does she really love?
I think she loves them both, but differently. I think she's in love with Jake, especially at the moment.

Jake watched Andy/Nina dancing and he seemed nervous and stepped in.. Why? Is he seeing something going on between Andy/Nina?
My guess is the night before Nina told him about the kiss and I have to say that if I were Jake, I'd be pretty unsettled after hearing that my girlfriends former "crush" and neighbor/close friend had kissed and confessed his love for her. I don't think I'd want them dancing either.

Was Nina right whenever she said that Andy isn't truly in love with her?
I'm not sure. She very well may be. I think Andy is still a complete mess of emotions. That man has issues.

How do you see this triangle ultimately being resolved?
I don't really know.

Who do you personally want Nina to be with?
Jake. I prefer him as an individual. I think he's much better with Sam and I think that unlike Andy, his love for Nina is very unselfish. He gave her the opportunity to get out and be with Andy.

Who will Nina ultimately end up with? Will she stay with Jake or will she end up with Andy?
Sadly, I think it will end with Nina/Andy and I whole-heartedly do not want that to happen. I don't think they fit together romantically and I don't think Andy is stable enough to be the kind of father and husband that Nina needs and deserves. Personally, I just don't think he has that much to give. He comes off very cold to me and Nina's a very warm person and her previous husband, even though he was gay, was warmer than Andy ever has been.

Augusta · 10-01-2005, 05:33 PM

I'm so glad you opened this thread, Michelle!

I have also greatly enjoyed reading the comments posted about this so far!

With that said, here's a bit of my input...

I wish to heck that Nina had ditched Jake and went with Andy in the premier. But that would have been too sudden and uncalled for. And I actually understand why she chose Jake over Andy, even though I wholeheartledly, 1oo% ship Andy/Nina. I think that he is a stable thing in her life, and has been for a bit now, he loves her and he and Sam have grown very close. For the woman to give all that up to start another relationship, where she's not even sure it will work out, is crazy. So I can totally see why she's staying with Jake. And to tell you the truth, during the season premier, I felt almost sorry for Jake, i think, because we all know Nina and Andy will end up together. So I think she chose jake for a number of reasons, one being that she wants to keep the stability that Jake has brought to her life, and a huge reason being the obvious close bond Jake and Sam have going for them.

During the dance, near the end of Thurs/ night's episode, you could really feel the vibes between them and we all know Jake could feel them too, which is why he felt threatened and asked to cut in on their dance. I think further into the season, this tension/love triangle will explode. My prediction? I think Jake will, after a while, realize Nina is in lvoe with Andy and realize he can't compete with that and move back to LA or something.

And, um, yeah... that's all I have for now

Looking forward to other people's thoughts on this crazy lil triangle that's goin on in Everwood

HaveALittleFaith · 10-02-2005, 11:30 AM

How did you feel whenever the premiere took place and Nina made her choice?
I kind of feel that Nina hasn't made up her mind yet. She chose Jake, but it's obvious that she's not completely sure about her decision. I know she has feelings for both guys. At the end of the episode I was just left thinking that this pretty much cannot end well. But I do agree that it was expected for it to work itself out the way it did. I really didn't see her choosing Andy in the premiere.

How do you see this triangle ultimately being resolved?
I have this feeling that the writers are going to make Jake into a bad guy. Maybe not a real bad guy, but they're going to do something to make people dislike him and give Nina a reason to leave him. It's unfortunate because I think there are ways around that, but I think it'll happen in a way similiar to that.

Wilpen · 10-02-2005, 03:07 PM

I just want to jump in here and say that I am so impressed with the outstanding discussion that has been going on. I have enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and opinions.

I am excited about this thread because I feel like it will get a lot of activity as the season continues to move on, as this triangle seems to be one that is only just beginning.

What I love the most about the posts on this thread is the diverse answers and responses. The variety and sometimes, differing of opinions is what I think is so great. The respect and maturity on this thread that everyone has for each other, as well as on this board, in general, is what makes me so proud as a mod.

I have seen far too many other boards where posters rip each other's heads off all because of the differing opinions, etc.

I am so glad that we have such maturity and respect here.

I just wanted to say that.

Please, carry on.

JoshnKatie#1 · 10-05-2005, 05:13 AM

She may have chosen Jake FOR NOW but I see Andy winning her over in the end! At least I'm hoping thats what happens. Nothing against Scott Wolf, so adorable and have loved him since PO5 but Andy/Nina I've shipped since s1 so I gotta stick to it

Augusta · 10-06-2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilpen

I just want to jump in here and say that I am so impressed with the outstanding discussion that has been going on. I have enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and opinions.

I am excited about this thread because I feel like it will get a lot of activity as the season continues to move on, as this triangle seems to be one that is only just beginning.

What I love the most about the posts on this thread is the diverse answers and responses. The variety and sometimes, differing of opinions is what I think is so great. The respect and maturity on this thread that everyone has for each other, as well as on this board, in general, is what makes me so proud as a mod.

I have seen far too many other boards where posters rip each other's heads off all because of the differing opinions, etc.

I am so glad that we have such maturity and respect here.

I just wanted to say that.

Please, carry on.

Same here. That's one thing I love about this board. I have yet to see a "couples war" on here. We don't even have anti (insert couple/name) threads!!

Getting back on topic... the previews for next weeks episode looks like this triangle is goin to definately be center of attention. Jake seemed very angry in the preview....

Callalily · 10-06-2005, 10:10 PM

Looks like the fight is on next week! Can't wait!

***Enigma*** · 10-06-2005, 11:39 PM

No triangle this week, but based on the previews for the next episode we will have alot to talk about next week. The way that Jake says he doesn't trust Andy in the preview makes me think Nina did tell him everything..........I was already thinking that was probably the case but it was kind of left up in the air to the viewers. Should be interesting to see how things play out next week.