4.21/4.22 Series Finale: Foreverwood, Part 1/Part 2 (#2)
 

Part I

Okay, continuing on with the Series Finale discussion..

Post away! :)

I thought I would put up the episode description again:

SERIES FINALE

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NINA AND JAKE PREPARE TO LEAVE EVERWOOD ON THE DAY OF DELIA’S BAT MITZVAH — While packing up her house and preparing to leave Everwood with Jake (Scott Wolf), Nina (Stephanie Niznik) tells Hannah (Sarah Drew) that she knows Andy (Treat Williams) bought an engagement ring for her. Hannah convinces Nina to sneak into the house while the Browns are out to get a look at the ring. Later, Jake finds out about the ring and confronts Andy once again about his feelings for Nina. At Delia’s (Vivien Cardone) Bat Mitzvah, Amy (Emily VanCamp) watches Ephram (Gregory Smith) with his new girlfriend Stephanie (guest star Luciana Carro), and realizes her feelings for Ephram are still strong. When one of Harold’s (Tom Amandes) patients leaves her baby on the Abbott’s doorstep, Harold wrestles with the right course of action while Rose (Merrilyn Gann) immediately becomes attached to the little girl. After their house has been sold, Nina and Sam (Ben Hammond) temporarily move in with the Browns. Wanting to take care of an unresolved issue in his life before he can propose to Nina, Andy takes a mysterious trip. Bright (Chris Pratt) learns that Hannah (Sarah Drew) has received a scholarship to Notre Dame and is devastated at the thought that she may accept it. Edna (Debra Mooney) upsets Harold and Rose when she reveals her plans to leave Everwood. Delia is thrilled with Andy’s belated Bat Mitzvah gift. Finally, when Amy tells Stephanie (guest star Luciana Carro) that she plans to tell Ephram about her feelings for him, Stephanie steps up her game to compete for Ephram’s affections. “Foreverwood, Part 1” was written by Josh Reims & Anna Fricke and directed by Bethany Rooney (#2T6621). “Foreverwood, Part 2” was written by Rina Mimoun & David Hudgins and directed by Perry Lang

The only part I've seen is the ending, with Ephram and Amy. Aw, I'm so pleased they ended up together. After all they've been through, they deserve it, and you could tell that they always loved each other.
As cute as the scene was, though, both the Ephram and Amy speeches sounded the same as a lot of other ones I've seen in shows. Ephram saying that he remembers everything reminded me of Pacey from DC, and Amy telling him that she didn't want to run from anything reminded me of Joey, from the same show. I don't know...maybe I should have just enjoyed the fact that they kissed beside their ferris wheel :love:

I, for one, can't belive Nina was even going to leave on Delia's big day! If I were her, I woulda told Jake that she needed to be there for Delia, end of discussion.

I 2nd that, completely!

For sure. That bothered me so much. You're right on, there shouldn't have even been a decision to make (let alone a wrong one). Nina should have been there, she shouldn't have been so passive about everything.

Regarding the EA words in that last scene.. It was the most unique and precious happy ending to a love story that I have ever seen. Ephram's original, "you're my one" will be a line that other shows will want to eat up, I'm sure.

And the EA love story in general is ORIGINAL. It's impossible to compare it.. It really is in a league of its own. It was never the typical teen love story, not even close. So the words that EA exchanged were all about pertaining to their history. Amy telling Ephram everything has always come back to him, even in season 1 which speaks volumes as to what she thought about him and certainly puts a fork in the notion that Ephram was her second choice and the list goes on. The historical meaning of the Ferris Wheel was spectacular. It was only fitting to see that integrated whenever they got the happy ending.. It's where it all began..

The EA love story from start to finish was a thing of beauty. It is like no other...

And yeah, I will now never look at a Ferris Wheel without thinking of this couple. The best ending, EVER.

I think that the only thing that disappointed me about the Series Finale was how passive and spineless Nina was (I thought I was watching Joey Potter on Dawson’s Creek instead of Nina ;)), and how Jake had to make up her mind for her and break up with her, much like Dawson had to do the same thing with Joey in True Love, but at least Joey could be excused somewhat because she was a 16 year old girl, while Nina was a grown woman who should have had a mind of her own. I can understand that maybe Nina felt a sense of obligation to Jake, (for what, I don’t know) and she knew that Sam loved him, but it seemed ridiculous that she would uproot her life and sell her home just to follow his selfish whim, and I lost a lot of respect for her for doing that. There comes a time when people have to stand up for themselves, but Nina never did that, and I don’t like the fact that if Jake hadn’t recognized the obvious and broken up with her, Nina would have been out of Andy’s life and been with someone who she didn’t love but who she didn’t have the will or the courage to break up with. Granted, I was still happy to see Andy propose to Nina and I was happy that she said yes, but her passive behavior not only in this episode, but throughout this year, took away from my elation that Andy and Nina were finally going to end up together.

Word! RIGHT. ON! I totally agree with your thoughts about Nina. It killed me watching her be so passive. "Oh, I'm moving out of the house I've lived in for most of my life. Oh well," "I'm moving to CA with a guy I don't totally love and leaving the one I do love behind. Nothing that I can do," "The little girl next door who is like my daughter is having a right of passage celebration. Can't go cause I'm moving. Oh man". That was like, her attitude throughout! It was so annoying!! GRR! :mad:

I agree with everything you said, Jerry. You literally summed up my entire thoughts on the subject. I also saw a parallel between Nina and Joey but as you said, at least Joey's immaturity was an excuse for her. There is zero reasoning as to why Nina was acting so passive and at times, acting as if she lost some brain functioning due to being so numb and inactive with her thoughts and feelings.

I do believe with Nina, it all stemmed from Jake's addiction, recovery, and not wanting to leave him because she thought she made a promise to stick by him. Eh, whatever. I still don't buy it. She didn't have to be romantically linked to him to be there for him. And then there was Sam. I guess I buy why she wanted to try and make things for Sam, at least a little bit.

However, at the end of the day, Nina KNEW being with Jake did not feel right and I'm shocked she didn't realize on her own that in the end, no one was winning with her decision to let things go on. She wasn't happy because she wanted Andy, Andy certainly wasn't happy because he wanted Nina, it honestly wasn't fair to Jake to be lead to believe that he was the guy for Nina and as a result, that would have caused a severe thorn in their relationship which would have been harder on Sam whenever it finally came to be. Even Jake admitted that he was living in a sort of denial about it. I'm just stunned that Nina was willing to go along with this entire fake scenario.. For what??? It wasn't healthy for anyone involved. I'm still slightly confused about this. :confused:

I wish Nina would have been the one that spoke up and gave Jake that speech at the airport instead of the other way around. I mean, it shouldn't have even come to that airport scene in the first place but if it had to, Nina should have been the one to do the talking instead of sitting there, so passive. The other frustrating aspect of this is that Nina should have stayed broken up with Jake after finding out about his addiction. She DIDN'T need to reunite with him. That was "the time" to completely break off the romantic relationship. She could have still been there for him and they could have ended up being the best of friends instead. That's what should have taken place.

You're right on, Ashley, it was her entire attitude that bothered me.

However, after saying all of this, I still believe the proposal was absolutely fantastic and I am so happy that Andy/Nina ended up together. I know I would have been irked if they wouldn't have ended up together. The story dictated they would be and even if I somewhat disliked the short time leading up to their ultimate coming together, I am still glad they ended up together.

Actually, I think she went along with it because of Sam. And because I think he served as a some sort of safenet. She KNEW she and Andy would end up together, and perhaps she wasn't ready for that. Perhaps she felt as though "well what if this doesn't work out?" and didn't wanna risk the chance of ruining a beautiful friendship. But i think the main reason is because she realized how lose Sam and Jake had gotten, and didn't want another man walking out of her son's life.
Totally. I as well wish that speech would have come from her. I think she should have finally come to some osort of final realization and gave that speech to him, not th other way around.

I was so pissed when they got back together that time. I think it shold have ended there and then, and have th rest of the show's time bulding up Andy and Nina... perhaps start having Andy and Sam build some sort of relatinship together, since Andy will now be Sam's step-father, and Sam And'ys step-son.

Absolutely. That proposal.... i love how he integrated their first meeting, and brought her out to where they first met. LOVED Nina's "Ah. I'm not wearng any shoes..." The whole thing was perfect. So glad that not only di we get the Greenie ending we were praying for, but the Andy/Nina ending as well.

This finale rocked. Simple as that.

I think the Everwood finale raised the bar for other TV shows as far as finales went :)

I loved this quote from the Television Without Pity recap of the Series Finale, about Amy and Stephanie's meeting:

:lol: There was never any doubt as to whose Ephram's heart belonged to, and I loved Amy's final "grand gesture" that finished off "Miss Hot'n'Sassy." Hey, at least he got a nice jacket out of it though! ;)

Yeah, for sure. I think this was her main reasoning. In fact, just this season, there have been quite a few times where she mentions this fear. What drives me crazy, though, is I can't believe she didn't recognize that Andy was different. He would NEVER walk out on her or Sam for that matter. Andy represents stability to Nina, so I'm shocked she didn't realize that Sam losing Jake was outstanding because he was gaining Andy, "the one" that she has always been able to rely on who she knows would never leave, the one that is her one true love.

I agree, Ashley. The break up felt right and I will never understand why it didn't stick and we had to watch more pointless episodes between Jake/Nina. So entirely unecessary, especially, as you said, those episodes could have been devoted to more important things pertaining to Andy/Nina and their families coming together.

I know. Just perfect. :thumbs_up:

Also, I just thought of something, Amy did her grand gesture in front of "their Ferris Wheel" where it all began. It wasn't officially where they first met but it was a HUGE moment in the EA love story. In so many ways, it was almost "their first date." So I love that Amy brought Ephram to "their place" while Andy brought Nina to "their place."

Perfect.

Damn straight. :D

You've got that right. It really has. I feel sorry for the next TV show that even attempts to produce a good series finale after the brilliance that was the Everwood series finale.

LOL Jerry!

Oh I adore that TWOP quote. They worship Amy/Emily there which I absolutely love. That quote is spectacular and so, so true!

Finally replying to Alex's amazing response to my post back on the other thread.. :)

It happens a lot, in fact. :) :D

We do, indeed. :cheers:

Thank you. :)

I agree, and yes, absolutely, they were showing the big time changes and development of every character which was simply amazing. How many shows ever do this? Not many. I can barely even think of any other show that does this like Everwood does. Most shows don't bother to embrace their characters and develop them every step of the way. They manipulate their characters, getting them to do OOC things just to pimp or add in extra drama to the current storyline. GG and what just went down at the end of season 6 certainly comes to mind as a prime example and that's why my passion and love for that show has drastically declined ever since. Sad but true.

Well said. That's it exactly.

Thank you and glad you agree. :)

Such an outstanding way to describe Andy/Ephram and the current state of their relationship. And you know what? The beauty of this show and the Andy/Ephram relationship is that they probably will never get to perfect and that's okay, too. They are REAL, they have been through hell and back and still found a way to come out on top, together. You see the love, caring, compassion, respect that is now there between them. And that's all we could have ever asked for whenever we watched how broken they were in season 1. They now have a real, fulfilling, father/son relationship. Absolutely outstanding. :)

Great words, Alex. You completely summed up Andy/Ephram.. I have nothing to add except to say that I entirely agree and what a joy it has been to see where they were at and how they fought to get to the beautiful place that they are now at. :)

I'm glad. :lol:

I think you're right on. There is even evidence to back up this point whenever you hear Rina's interviews where she even talked about reading fans opinions. I'm sure she read the complaints if she really did read sites. And I give her credit for not only reading them, but doing something about the complaints as well. :)

Exactly.

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I'm with you. Heh.

Think about it, it does make sense now as to why Hannah couldn't see Amy's POV about not wanting to get back together with Ephram because all Hannah was seeing was "matters of the heart" and for that, how can we truly fault her? It's not really that she was disagreeing with Amy per say, it's just that her focus was and always was on allowing people to open up their hearts to feel the love around them. In Hannah's mind, EA were a phenonenal love story and Hannah knew they were meant to be. Hell, she always knew this and she was even promoting this fact even as far back as 3.03 whenever she told Amy that Ephram loved her. That is impressive, given the fact that Hannah and Amy were just starting their friendship. And from that point on, Hannah has always been a big time supporter of the EA romance. Never once has she wavered. She has always been bold with her thoughts that they were meant to be together and again, I truly believe it was solely fueled by how very easily Hannah could see the true love that exists between EA. In her mind, that is ALL that matters in the end, and you know what? She is right. :)

Oh yes, most definitely. You can SEE AND FEEL the instant panic in Amy whenever noticing that Stephanie is bonding with the Brown's. She was exhibiting a look of complete and utter desperation whenever Stephanie made the comment about Andy, or heck even finding out that Stephanie was attending Delia's BM. Amy was all about feeling pain and agony over this because to her, SHE should be in that role and no one else. I loved seeing Amy wanting to protect her "territory." So adorable. :love:

ICA. A perfect parallel. In fact, I think whenever Amy was completely insane, rambling on like a jealous fool after seeing ES come out of the movie together, you can tell by Ephram's expressions and reaction to Amy that he knows she is certainly not completely acting okay with seeing ES. Especially, the exchange that I currently have in my sig about Amy always being up for a laugh.. Notice how Ephram sort of laughs and humors her with a "right." He KNEW she wasn't making one ounce of sense. :lol:

And notice how he tells Amy that they needed to meet his dad. Again, more pimpage of showing the panic in Amy as she watches Stephanie leaving to go and bond even closer with Ephram's family. The look of sadness was all over Amy's face.

Me too... Simply the best, better than all the rest.. :love:

Me too! :D And what's so great is seeing Hannah's reaction because she knows what Amy is doing. So awesome. Heh.

Right with you. For me, it has always been 1) Ephram/Amy and 2) Andy/Ephram... But both mean everything to me...

I could listen to that line 100 times a day and never get bored with it. :lol:

Wow, wow, WOW. No, I didn't catch this at all! See the combo of our minds together, Alex, is a beautiful thing because between the two of us, we analyze and figure out everything. Heh. With Everwood and HP, we are set! :D

But yes, you are dead on correct about this parallel! For sure! And in both instances, Amy is down and out (for completely different reasons of course) but as usual, it was Ephram that "brought her back to life." So beautiful. :love:

This show always has done just that and that's why all other shows simply cannot compare to the beauty that is Everwood.

Me too. :lol:

In fact, one thing I noticed during the Amy/Hannah scenes in the series finale is how Emily and Sarah really do have a nice banter and chemistry on the screen. They really do. They play off of each other so perfectly. It was nice to see.

For sure. :)

Good, we thought the same thing so we can feel stupid together. :lol:

I know, it's such a fun scene. Everything about it. :lol:

I also love how intuitive Stephanie is as well. She gets how upset Amy is about everything and she's not necessarily trying to be rude about it but she certainly isn't giving an inch in the sense that she will not feel badly that she is with Ephram and Amy is not. Of course we know this is short lived but you know what I mean. ;)

Me too. :love:

Man, I so wish we would have seen the AN wedding. And yeah, I'm thinking with my EA mind and heart when I say how much I would have loved to have seen EA romantically together during this time and they probably would be gazing at each other during the ceremony, thinking about their own future wedding and how amazing it will be. :D And yeah, to see them share a dance or two on the dance floor, holding each other closely and sharing a kiss or two.. That would have been amazing. :love:

But see, the beauty of this show is we KNOW that these things take place and we can almost perfectly imagine exactly how they all went down, you know? The beauty of Everwood is it never ends. We know AN get married, EA eventually get married, etc. It all happened and wow, so amazing to think about it. :)

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I'm with you, Alex, this scene means everything to me because it's my favorite couple of my favorite show of all time and NOTHING ELSE will ever compare. This scene and this show are "IT" for me.

Okay guys,

I am now peeking in, and giving my thoughts now that things are settining down :lol:


My thoughts....

:eek: That is how I feel about the whole finale, because quite frankly I was afraid of what the outcome of Everwood would be, considering The OC literally tore my faith to pieces, before the Everwood finale was shown. I admit that I was like at a lost and almost really was skeptical to having an happy ending due to that... But I was so so glad that I was so wrong.... I was so glad that i watched it because this ACTUALLY was something that cheered me up in like FOREVER and I didnt think that was a possible to actually have A SHOW that ACTUALLY ended it the way YOU wanted it too and the way you envisioned it always to end from the very begining. and that feeling of excitement and giddiness now comes back after feeling so depressed and hating the world over a lost over ANOTHER show... like I have takes a lot for a show to do that to me and EVERWOOD series finale did that for me.... i MEAN every moment was so precious to me and I was taking each moment and treasure it because it would be with me for the rest of my life.

Thank You Everwood, for NOT ever disappointing me, I mean you had ur relaspes in certain areas. LOL but you never felled to come back and make it ten times better than it ever was. I never lost any faith that everwood would go back to that magic that I ever felt since S1 and no other show could ever do that, they could attempt, but they couldnt pull it off as well everwood and I will be forever thankful for everwood, for allowing me to experience the lives of Andy, ephrum, amy, the abbots, edna, irv, bright, hannah, Nina, and delia.... Its a moment I will remember for the rest of my life.

Tiana, your post was so moving and heartfelt. I love your thoughts. Thanks for sharing them.

You hit such a great point whenever you said the following:

You said this so perfectly and that's exactly what this show accomplished. How many other shows have done what Everwood has done?

I'm still thinking....

Everwood concluded as it was presented. So beautifully...

Michelle :hug:

:lmao: how many shows WOULD do what everwood had did. I can NAME one