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Old 04-15-2017, 07:14 AM
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^ What happened in that episode?

Cyndie, that letter was so beautiful! It's things like that that make me love their dynamic so much. No matter what happened between them, they were always the best of friends and cared about each other deeply. I think that's what made it so hard for Dawson to be around her after Mitch died. He didn't want to feel that, he felt too guilty and sad.
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^ What happened in that episode?

Cyndie, that letter was so beautiful! It's things like that that make me love their dynamic so much. No matter what happened between them, they were always the best of friends and cared about each other deeply. I think that's what made it so hard for Dawson to be around her after Mitch died. He didn't want to feel that, he felt too guilty and sad.
I like that about them too, that's why they were so special, their bond is unbreakable
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Old 04-17-2017, 05:31 AM
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^ What happened in that episode?

Cyndie, that letter was so beautiful! It's things like that that make me love their dynamic so much. No matter what happened between them, they were always the best of friends and cared about each other deeply. I think that's what made it so hard for Dawson to be around her after Mitch died. He didn't want to feel that, he felt too guilty and sad.
I always felt sad that Dawson pushed her away at that time because if anyone was going to understand what he was going through, it would have been Joey. I feel so bad for her when he does that, they could have had so many great moments because of that sense of loss, especially since Mitch was like a father to Joey too.
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:33 AM
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^ What happened in that episode?

Cyndie, that letter was so beautiful! It's things like that that make me love their dynamic so much. No matter what happened between them, they were always the best of friends and cared about each other deeply. I think that's what made it so hard for Dawson to be around her after Mitch died. He didn't want to feel that, he felt too guilty and sad.
I have to try to remember, they're getting to the dawson/eve stuff soon.
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Old 04-17-2017, 08:10 PM
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I have to try to remember, they're getting to the dawson/eve stuff soon.
The Dawson/Eve stuff was Season 3, you mentioned S2E17.
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Dawson pushing away Joey after his father died was just another way for the writers to delay DJo being together. But it made more sense than some of the other times they were pushed apart. He felt guilty for his father's death and Joey was wrapped up in that--in Dawson's mind at least.
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Dawson pushing away Joey after his father died was just another way for the writers to delay DJo being together. But it made more sense than some of the other times they were pushed apart. He felt guilty for his father's death and Joey was wrapped up in that--in Dawson's mind at least.
Maybe, but it didn't seem right. I mean we are rooting for her to makes things better for him and it doesn't happen. Not that I didn't like that Jen was the one to make it better, but I would have been on board for Joey to help him heal. However, I liked that Dawson and Jen got together, they were great.
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Maybe, but it didn't seem right. I mean we are rooting for her to makes things better for him and it doesn't happen. Not that I didn't like that Jen was the one to make it better, but I would have been on board for Joey to help him heal. However, I liked that Dawson and Jen got together, they were great.
I think it would have been a good time for Dawson and Joey to grow as a couple after Mitch passed away, to show they had a solid foundation other than their childhood past. I liked Dawson and Jen too in S5, but it may have been a missed opportunity to get more viewers on board with DJ.
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Well Kevin Williamson wasn't writing for the show at that time and most of the other showrunners were PJo fans, so maybe that's why it didn't happen.
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The Dawson/Eve stuff was Season 3, you mentioned S2E17.
Now 3.01 was on. ugh. Dawson/James is getting hotter.
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I wouldn't say that the writers weren't rooting for DJo considering the end of s4, s5, and the planned ending for s6. They were just trying to keep the angst and the "will they, won't they" thing going on. Of course I would've liked to see DJo reconnect after Mitch's death but if they had gotten together in early s5, that would've been it, imo. They always came up with contrived reasons for DJo not to be together, they even admitted it in the s2 commentary.

Watched "Crossroads" last night. Not my favorite episode for DJo since I thought Dawson reading her diary was out of character and it was wrong of him to do. This is one instance where I didn't blame Joey for being mad at him. The end of the episode was still nice though, but their reunion doesn't feel the same when you watch it on the DVDs. They really should've tried to keep "Kiss the Rain" in the DVD set. The scene feels different without that song playing over it.
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I wouldn't say that the writers weren't rooting for DJo considering the end of s4, s5, and the planned ending for s6. They were just trying to keep the angst and the "will they, won't they" thing going on. Of course I would've liked to see DJo reconnect after Mitch's death but if they had gotten together in early s5, that would've been it, imo. They always came up with contrived reasons for DJo not to be together, they even admitted it in the s2 commentary.

Watched "Crossroads" last night. Not my favorite episode for DJo since I thought Dawson reading her diary was out of character and it was wrong of him to do. This is one instance where I didn't blame Joey for being mad at him. The end of the episode was still nice though, but their reunion doesn't feel the same when you watch it on the DVDs. They really should've tried to keep "Kiss the Rain" in the DVD set. The scene feels different without that song playing over it.
^ so agree!!

There where still plenty of DJ writers and producers that where pro DJ! 2 writers always planned DJ ending but unfortunately Paul Stupin was pro PJ by the end and lots of pressure on the bigger fan base at the time. Also didn't help that James lost interest after season 3 due to the writing and KW leaving. If James had more push or say possibly things might of been different and if KW was still there in the later seasons.

Season 2 crossroads is a great episode for DJ as they go through heaps of emotions and trials as a couple.

Season 1 and 2 are classic for DJ! Soo many great episodes. But do like the way season 4 DJ played out even through it was about PJ it showed that DJ bond was stronger and reminds me to this day DJ connection/soulmate/lover will always be stronger than PJ..Remember the episode with Mr Brooks dying Joey will always be with Dawson in this lifetime or another. First love always stronger and their soulmate connection is bigger than anything!

Still to this day I struggle to watch DC or talk about it and sometimes listening to music that reminds me of DC because how they ended the show but do remember the good times still. Always go back to watching season 1 most times and some of s2.

How they ended the show was some of the worst writing ever for a TV show! Friends and Roswell they did it properly with their soulmates related couples like DJ. To "surprise us" call was pretty ordinary in my opinion.

Laughed at the lines in PJ scene in the kitchen as those lines are soo DJ talk.

Rant over sometimes past memories/talk bring up old wounds

DJ Always as in the story KW always imagined! NOT a fanbase decision!

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There where still plenty of DJ writers and producers that where pro DJ! 2 writers always planned DJ ending but unfortunately Paul Stupin was pro PJ by the end and lots of pressure on the bigger fan base at the time. Also didn't help that James lost interest after season 3 due to the writing and KW leaving. If James had more push or say possibly things might of been different and if KW was still there in the later seasons.
I'm not surprised that James lost interest. They deliberately ruined Dawson in Season 3 in a bid to push Joey closer to Pacey. The childish way they had Dawson react to Pacey in that episode with the boat race was so over-the-top and a disgrace to the writing of his character.


Paul Stupin bugged me so much on the DVD. He kept trying to convince Kevin Williamson (who was NOT fooled) that fans were happy about the Joey and Pacey ending. Kevin was the only one talking sense and saying that even his own parents were divided about it. I think it speaks volumes about Kevin Williamson's lack of interest in the non-Dawson/Joey seasons (three and four) where he straight-forwardly says in the commentary that he did not watch those seasons.


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Dawson reading her diary was a silly invasion of privacy, but it actually created credible conflict for them. Joey was exactly the type of hot-headed person who would blow something like that up into a big deal. What I hated about Season 2 is that we barely got any light-hearted moments after she cheated with Jack. I think the next great episode was when they got back together at the wedding they catered for


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The main reason why the Pacey/Joey ending rang false to me (and I'm not trying to start any shipper wars, so I'll keep this brief) is that Joey had only just told Pacey in the previous episode that she "doesn't feel it" with him anymore. She blatantly chose Eddie over him, and Pacey was once again highlighted as the third wheel. You can't sell a romance like that, where Pacey is being degraded and cast aside, to an audience that only ever sees Joey telling Dawson that he is the light of her life. That's my two cents, anyway.
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