Dawson's Creek - New Yorkers (Jen&Drue) #4: With everyone else, it's about the banter. With Drue and Jen, it's all in the body language. - Page 6

**Pure.Magic** · 05-08-2009, 10:09 AM

Stop making me want that I shouldve kept shut.

I got into the Twilight thing just to see what the whole craze was about, and fell really hard for Jacob. And then there was no looking back.

New Moon is my favorite. Though I think Eclipse was the best book, but Jacob was too adorable in NM. Even the hardcore Jake fan in me had trouble with how he was portrayed in Eclipse.

Fire and Ice was my fave chapter in Eclipse. Thats the scene where for the first time, I felt for Edward.

Its so weird that with Drue, Jen was always so out of character. She was usually so intuintive about such things, how could she not know that Drue had a soft spot for her, or even more.

starzscarme · 05-08-2009, 11:01 AM

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Oh I love Edward/Rosalie too.

So, our ships are pretty much synched up thus far, aren't they, Camilla?

V and I were talking about how Ed and Rose kinda fall into that "unwritten history" category with both Drue/Jen and Nathan/Peyton (since you're a fan of them to, I know).

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Its so weird that with Drue, Jen was always so out of character. She was usually so intuintive about such things, how could she not know that Drue had a soft spot for her, or even more.

I think she was really forcing herself not to see it. Or, at least, that's the only logical explanation I see because you're right. The Jen we all know and love would have seen it a mile away and wouldn't have been so harsh as she was about it. I mean, look at how she was with Henry. She was always trying to let him down gently. But with Drue, she was going for the juggular.

**milestogo** · 05-08-2009, 01:08 PM

I think that Jen was scared of feeling something for him cause he reminded her of the Jen she used to be

**Pure.Magic** · 05-09-2009, 05:48 AM

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I think she was really forcing herself not to see it. Or, at least, that's the only logical explanation I see because you're right. The Jen we all know and love would have seen it a mile away and wouldn't have been so harsh as she was about it. I mean, look at how she was with Henry. She was always trying to let him down gently. But with Drue, she was going for the juggular.

Its natural that she connected her ugly past to him somehow, and however unfair that might be to Drue, its understandable. He was part of the past which she'd been trying to run away from for years... but she never cut him any slack, and rejected him at every turn when he was only trying to be there for her. It was quite sad, cuz Jen usually wasnt like that, she didnt judge people, cuz she'd been on the recieving end so many times, but she just couldnt let go of the preconcieved image she had of Drue.

starzscarme · 05-09-2009, 07:09 AM

Jen was to Drue as Joey had been to Jen when she first arrived in Capeside. The hostility was palpable between those two girls, the majority of it coming from Joey. It was like S4 Jen was channeling some of that S1 Joey insecurity when it came to having someone challenging her tiny world. It almost seemed like she adopted that small town, closed mindedness that she had loathed from day one, thinking that Drue's main initiative was to corrupt her and destroy what she had built.

I think there is a fine line between apprehension and full blown paranoia and the writers made Jen appear to be the latter when it came to Drue. Like he was always out to get her, which could not be farther from the truth. I know some of it stemmed from her own fear of reverting back to that Jen she'd put behind her. But it was taken a bit too far, I think.

**Ali Marie** · 05-09-2009, 12:56 PM

Well, Idk. I don't think Drue was there to screw up Jen's life but he did some things that understandably made Jen apprehensive. Him giving her extascy for her birthday for example. Even I couldn't see what Drue was about in the beginning lol.

starzscarme · 05-09-2009, 04:36 PM

I don't think he wanted to ruin her life either. I think he was a bit socially inept and didn't know how to reconnect with a new version of Jen. He only know the old one so he went about getting her back in his life the way the old Jen might have been responsive to.

**Pure.Magic** · 05-09-2009, 05:12 PM

He used all the wrong ways to get through to her, but it was just cuz he didnt buy Jen's claims of being a changed person and like Beth said, didnt know how to go about getting through to the new Jen. Giving her the X was just his terribly misguided way of trying to reconnect with Jen.

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It almost seemed like she adopted that small town, closed mindedness that she had loathed from day one, thinking that Drue's main initiative was to corrupt her and destroy what she had built.

This is my main issue with the way Jen was written, when it came to Drue. She did everything she was against, cuz she knew how it felt to be different, to be somewhere where you didnt belong, to have people judge you and be unaccepting. I just couldnt get why she was doing it to Drue when she'd been there too. I thought she'd be more empathetic and willing to give him a chance, even though his ways to reconnect with her were messed up. I know the writers wanted us to believe that Drue was the "bad boy" and all, but he wasnt a monster or something who'd come to make life hell for Jen.

Undeniable · 05-10-2009, 12:50 PM

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So, our ships are pretty much synched up thus far, aren't they, Camilla?

V and I were talking about how Ed and Rose kinda fall into that "unwritten history" category with both Drue/Jen and Nathan/Peyton (since you're a fan of them to, I know).

Yes! I seem to have a thing for these doomed couples or "unwritten history". It's like a curse sometimes. I see things in those couples you're not really supposed to care about, you know? *cough* Like the couple in my avatar/signature. *cough*

Drue/Jen seemed to have been one of those. It's like the writers didn't care enough about them imo.

starzscarme · 05-10-2009, 04:09 PM

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I see things in those couples you're not really supposed to care about, you know? *cough* Like the couple in my avatar/signature. *cough*

Who is the couple in your av?

I think that's a good way looking at it. Because, you're right, some of the couples we both ship are written in a way that makes them more difficult to attach to. You definately have to look past the surface to be able to appreciate them.

You're definately right on with Drue/Jen. There was so much to love about them but the writers didn't want to put the effort into them that maybe they should have, hence we get this couple that is missing so many pieces and the almost appear one dimensional to anyone who doesn't give them more than a passing glance. I will admit, I was once one of those people who never really noticed Drue/Jen much. V turned me onto their greatness, though.

And now I can see them for what they had the potential to be. Honestly, I think Drue/Jen could have been a "power couple" along with PJo and DJo and PAndie if they'd ever been put in a relationship. Or, at the very least, they could have a friendship that rivaled and probably surpassed any other on the show.

Undeniable · 05-10-2009, 10:50 PM

Oh, I totally see them as being amazing.

The couple in my avatar is JT/Brittany from the soap opera the Young and the Restless.

They had known each other since they were kids and first when they started out on the show, JT had a thing for her, which Brittany pretty much ignored. She had her cheating boyfriend (Billy) instead who she insisted on holding onto. He made himself "move on" from her and fell for Billy's love MacKenzie. Naturally, he didn't get the girl then either, what with Mac loving Billy.

Over the years, Brittany and JT had a few relationships but it always was them who stood by each other. The first few years, they usually acted like they didn't care about each other to the public. Hence, nobody even really noticed that they were friends. For instance, she ran away and JT was the last person who talked to her. Of course, her boyfriend didn't even think to ask JT about it, cause he never even thought about the possibility of JT/Brittany being friends. It was like an afterthought to most people.

Then 2004, JT fell in love with Brittany for real this time. Only to never actually speaking of his feelings. If he had, Brittany would in return stepped out of her annoying denial. She married her husband Bobby and then became pregnant. By now, Raul and Billy had both left town and Mac was also in love with JT... it was obvious to everybody at this point that Brittany was his very best friend. The first person he talked to when he's in a jam. The person who gets him and never judges him.

Anyway, during her pregnancy, it often appeared to me that his feelings for Brittany were always there. But because the story was JT/Mac, the show sort of just dropped it. JT/Brittany weren't popular with the viewers, given that most just LOVED bad boy/good girl, and that wasn't them. They were bad boy/bad girl and outside of Greenlee/Leo on AMC, I don't see people opening up to that as much. Sad but true.

One of their last scenes had the infamous ILY though. First time ever

I had to wait until 2005 (from 1999) for them to even admitting that they loved each other. Silly kids.

Brittany was going into witness protection with her husband and her son. Of course, they were both a mess and all sad because they would never see each other again.
Brittany: So this is really it, huh?

J.T.: Yeah. So much to say, huh?

Brittany: Too much.

Brittany: I don't know how I'm gonna get along without you, J.T.

J.T.: Hey, I've watched how you take care of Joshua. You're gonna do fine.

Brittany: You really think so?

J.T.: Yeah, yeah, I got a lot of confidence in you.

Brittany: That means a lot to me.

Brittany: Well, um... you better go.

J.T.: Brit...

Brittany: No, please, J.T., if you stay, I'll fall apart. Just, please, go.

J.T.: No, no, not without telling you something first. No matter where you are, no matter how much time has passed, I will always, always--

Brittany: I know. I love you, too.

Brittany: Now, go.

J.T.: All right.

Oh, and I should add that JT had a very hard time saying ILY, so the fact that he says that he'll ALWAYS love her is a pretty big deal for me. He never told any of his girlfriends the same thing. I don't even think he's said it to his current wife on the show.

I made a video recently where I tried to capture just why they belonged together: You're My Only One

**Pure.Magic** · 05-11-2009, 05:16 AM

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There was so much to love about them but the writers didn't want to put the effort into them that maybe they should have, hence we get this couple that is missing so many pieces and the almost appear one dimensional to anyone who doesn't give them more than a passing glance.

Exactly, thats why it doesnt surprise me that not many care about Drue/Jen and see all that they couldve been. Cuz the writers were very lazy with them.

They wouldve been amazing, and like Beth said, they didnt have to be a couple necessarily for that.

And I always tend to ship couples who never get their happy ending, the ones that are clearly meant to be, but the writers screw them over royally.

Oh and I used to love watching The Young and The Restless, when I was a teenager.

starzscarme · 05-11-2009, 07:43 AM

I use to watch Y&R back in the day too, when I was barely a teenager.

My mom use to watch it when she was working afternoons and I'd watch it with her when I wasn't in school. Now I only watch General Hospital off and I because I try to reduce exposure to the mindlessness that soaps can be. Talk about aggravating writing! No one does that better than soap operas.

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And I always tend to ship couples who never get their happy ending, the ones that are clearly meant to be, but the writers screw them over royally.

I think it adds insult to injury that they never really had the chance to prove they were "meant to be," in whichever way they fulfilled that status. Friends, lovers, whatever. Towards the end of S4, it started to emerge in earnest and if Drue had come back, they would have been something amazing for those last few seasons. I think it was to the detriment of the show that it never happened because they could have brought something really worth watching to those last two seasons because, lets face it, things lagged a bit in S5 and S6.

Undeniable · 05-11-2009, 02:30 PM

^ I agree. The fact that Drue/Jen didn't have a chance, is what sucks the most.

I actually got a reply from the spies today

Mark's band... LOL, this should so be at his thread but whatever

starzscarme · 05-11-2009, 08:15 PM

Really, Camilla? What was it a reply to? I'm curious.