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is it true you went out with Joshua Jackson last year?
Katie Holmes: I fell in love for the first time and it was something so incredible and indescribable that I will always treasure it. KH asked about kissing her ex (JJ) in front of the cameras all day: "Maybe there's a hint of realism?" |
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Season 5 I feel everyone D/J,P/J,D/Jen were screwed over. I agree the show never gave D/J a true chance and at the same time never let the ''saga'' go as well.
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is it true you went out with Joshua Jackson last year?
Katie Holmes: I fell in love for the first time and it was something so incredible and indescribable that I will always treasure it. KH asked about kissing her ex (JJ) in front of the cameras all day: "Maybe there's a hint of realism?" |
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And I beg to differ that Joey hardly knew Aunt Gwen. Going there was something that D/J apparently did quite often and in Stolen Kisses it was Joey who explained all about Aunt Gwen and waxed lyrical about her. And what evidence was there that the husband was a 'some flighty artist?' Gwen fell in love with him, They were still together 2 years later when he died. Oooh, Jerry your hate for the triangle burns even brighter than you think! Lol. Quote:
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And that 'purposefully built up' thing you keep mentioning about Pacey and the 'Heart of a Hero' campaign, well I know it seemed unfair to you, but it's not far wrong, is it? Why? Because Pacey has pretty much always been like that. Pacey has always had a hero complex. We saw that from S1! And now I can bring in my often laboured point about character traits. Dawson fans complain Dawson's character was changed to make him into the bad guy and that Pacey was built up, but like I mentioned before Pacey has always had a hero complex - and Dawson has always had a mean, manipulative and arrogant streak. We saw that, too, time and time again from S1. Quote:
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But I felt the finale DID gel with history. Why should Joey have ended up with a guy she could never properly commit to? A guy she only dated for a few months of her life? A guy she never kept in touch with? When you look back and see just how little time they really had for each other romantically despite this supposed special, transcedent bond, how they always stopped themselves from being together, always ended up hurting each other - why should they have ended up together? They couldn't even be proper friends when they weren't romantically involved. That's why it made so much sense when KW said that he just couldn't see Dawson and Joey living day to day together because they were never able to sustain a relationshop together. Pacey and Joey did AND they were able to stay friends and whenever they'd been apart they always came together again with a sense of ease and comfort and affection that was just natural - just there. So KW had to change it to the couple that DID make sense. Quote:
What I wanted to know was, if you know Pacey wasn't planning to kiss Joey then your argument about calculation doesn't hold up, does it? And if you don't know what Pacey was planning but decide that he must have been planning something to get at Joey, with no supporting evidence, then you are making things up to support your view, aren't you? __________________
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Well, why should she of ended up with a guy she showed almost zero romantic feelings toward for a season and a half followed by a few weeks of her coming out of it saying ''Even When everything's Perfect being with you does not feel right?'' Love Bites Ruined anything with P/J romantic I think but the same could be said about 602. I could go on but I won't but I do kind of think she out grew both of them to an extent but her not ending up with one of them would have been a big disappointment I guess. The only the thing is according to the Stupin on the DVD he say's some scenes were shot when they thought D/J would end up together. he even goes on to say during the bed room scene ''still some attraction because at this point we still thought they would end up together'' Is Stupin lying? ''And if you don't know what Pacey was planning but decide that he must have been planning something to get at Joey, with no supporting evidence, then you are making things up to support your view, aren't you?'' Well no because Pacey admitted he could not get rid of his feelings for Joey so him even being there was enough for something to happen because he also said ''When you like someone proximity is a good thing''' He said he came to be with her. Now if Joey had not gone would he still of gone? I mean Aunt Gwen made it clear she had not scene Pacey for a long time so I take it he had not joined D/J for a very long time on one of these things. __________________
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THe problem with most of these arguments is that most of you are quoting lines ... and what were trying to get at is ... Dawson was villainized for the sake of P/J getting together. It was obviously forcefully written that way ... and while Pacey came off as the sweet guy, who would accept loss ... Dawson came off as kniving, ruthless ... and basically, his character was put through the rinse cycle ... not giving him a real chance to have it be an equal triangle ... where the outcome would have been harder, the Joey feeling obligated to be with him. Why couldn't both D/P been on the same level ... and making the choice harder ... why did Dawson have to be written down so Pacey could be written up? That's what I don't understand ... everything else being mentioned is entirely irrelevant to me.
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I don't get it as well. All of this could of been done without making one a villain. __________________
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Yes he always sounds a bit confused or he's talking about the bugs. LOL.
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KW makes it very clear his bigger problem was with Pacey and Andie with the way he went on and on more then just 1 time. He said he wanted to ''Satisfy'' everyone (Yeah right) and that was his view of the best way. With Stupin I meant lying about the scene being shot with the intention of D/J ending up together. He said he called Stupin up and asked 'Is this the way to do it'' and Stupin say's ''We changed our minds'' Our means both so it really was not just KW alone. __________________
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