[chemistry86]

Anything that could and would be wrong about DJ was true. ANYTHING.

[clarkson_fan]

Are we still doing the survivor?

[Ali Marie]

Yeah, we are. I need a little more time to gather the caps. It's so boring lmao.

[wooster182]

You know what really bugs me about Dawson (besides everything)? Is that he tells Andie so abruptly about P/J. I get that he's upset, but he's just startled an emotionally unstable and suicidal young girl about the one boy she's ever loved and lost. She had already practically lost it when she cried rape to win him back. It was just so damn dangerous and insensitive for him to do that. Everyone was trying to spare his feelings but he just tears into everyone.

[Ali Marie]

Remember that this is the anti-DJo thread and not anti-Dawson, please. Thank you.

I think that Dawson's attachment to Joey causes him to do things without thinking them through, like what you mentioned. The same thing happened in SML, when he almost crashed Pacey's boat, putting people's lives at risk, just because he wanted to win the race for Joey. She was a bad influence on him apparently.

[chemistry86]

It surprises me when people say that what he did was out of character. I think in regards to Joey, he always had a tendencies to act possessive and weird. The only reason why we never saw it in the earlier seasons is because he never had a reason to act jealously.
I think they were terrible influences on each other. It's seriously annoying how they invented a new sister for Pacey who looked older than the character she was playing and conviently she felt attracted to Dawson, just so that he'd be in close proximity to Pacey/Joey. Everything about this couple is forced and unrealistic.

[wooster182]

Originally Posted by Ali Marie (View Post) Remember that this is the anti-DJo thread and not anti-Dawson, please. Thank you. I think that Dawson's attachment to Joey causes him to do things without thinking them through, like what you mentioned. The same thing happened in SML, when he almost crashed Pacey's boat, putting people's lives at risk, just because he wanted to win the race for Joey. She was a bad influence on him apparently.

I wasn't really bagging on Dawson solely (okay, maybe a little. LOL), but, as you say, all of his negative characteristics come out because of his relationship with Joey. He lashed out at Andie because of Joey.

It surprises me when people say that what he did was out of character. I think in regards to Joey, he always had a tendencies to act possessive and weird. The only reason why we never saw it in the earlier seasons is because he never had a reason to act jealously. I think they were terrible influences on each other. It's seriously annoying how they invented a new sister for Pacey who looked older than the character she was playing and conviently she felt attracted to Dawson, just so that he'd be in close proximity to Pacey/Joey. Everything about this couple is forced and unrealistic.

Well, we do see him be jealous-natured outside of his relationship with Joey. He hit Pacey with the basketball because he was threatened by Jen and Pacey's sexuality and he made a jackass out of himself when he confronted Cliff at the dance. So, those tendencies were there, but because he cared so much more for Joey, his jealousy comes out even more.

I actually liked his relationship with Gretchen because it allowed for him to grow up a little bit and take him away from Joey. Both Joey and Dawson are much better, more likable characters when they aren't together. She was way too old for that part and him though. But she was a nice Witter...

[clarkson_fan]

I don't think they "made up" Gretchen. It has been mentioned before that Pacey had three sisters, so i think it's okay that she was there, but what bugs me is that she immediately had to be a love interest for Dawson and then all the sudden he had a crush on her when he was 12? How come we never heard about it before? That was making up history just to cause drama or a storyline...

And while it was good for Dawson to distance himself from Joey, i also think Gretchen was used as someone to make Joey jealous and cause problems for her and Pacey when there didn't need to be. And it was the writers bringing things back to Dawson and Joey when it has already been shown before that they just don't work and it was there attempt that didn't work. It fell flat on it's ass.

[wooster182]

Originally Posted by clarkson_fan (View Post) I don't think they "made up" Gretchen. It has been mentioned before that Pacey had three sisters, so i think it's okay that she was there, but what bugs me is that she immediately had to be a love interest for Dawson and then all the sudden he had a crush on her when he was 12? How come we never heard about it before? That was making up history just to cause drama or a storyline... And while it was good for Dawson to distance himself from Joey, i also think Gretchen was used as someone to make Joey jealous and cause problems for her and Pacey when there didn't need to be. And it was the writers bringing things back to Dawson and Joey when it has already been shown before that they just don't work and it was there attempt that didn't work. It fell flat on it's ass.

But I don't think Dawson is what ultimately breaks Pacey/Joey up. Joey made some mistakes (being jealous of Gretchen; lying to Dawson about having sex), but she wanted Pacey to go off to college with her. She had made plans to be with him. But they weren't going in the same direction. They were only able to get back together once they were once again on level playing fields. Graduation ultimately broke up P/J, not Dawson and Gretchen in my opinion.

[clarkson_fan]

Hell, i never said that he was the reason. I said he cause problems for them. He always did. But he was never the reason for them breaking up or getting together. It was all them and their own problems. I was just saying he was the center of some of their fights and it was annoying, because he shouldn't have been.

Like in 410, when Pacey can tell Joey was bothered by the kiss they saw under the mistletoe and they argue about it. Personally, i think Joey shouldn't have acted like she did and treated Pacey the way she did.

Like it was said before, Dawson and Joey bring out the worst in each other.

[chemistry86]

They tried to make Dawson look like the good guy. No offense to any Clana fans but this reminds me of Lana where she just sits around and everything went wrong in Clark's relationships because of her...and here is the kicker, it wasnt her fault. The writers tried to make it look as if Dawson had moved on from Joey so that we couldn't hate him for the fact that he came up between P/Jo in almost every single scene of theirs.

[jimeni]

I don´t think dawson was always getting into their relationship in season 4.
I think the writers intention was to put a new love interest to dawson so that he wasn´t into pjo relation and their problems has mostly to do about themselves. But at the same time, as dawson has nothig to do with their breakup then we wouldn´t see with wrnog eyes that he was kissing Joey only 2eps after she break up with Pacey. (everytime I remmember season 4 ending i want to kill someone!)
and the same thing with Joey, as Pacey was the one who breaks them up, then Joey can move back to Dawson again without being the bad guy.

[clarkson_fan]

That kiss in 423 pisses me off. While it's really obvious Joey is nowhere near over Pacey, i think it was more of a comfort kiss and a "goodbye" between DJ and was more friendly than anything else-although i still wish they hadn't kiss at all to begin with. I feel like Dawson was kind of using Joey in her emotional state and Joey was using Dawson for comfort so she could try to get Pacey out of her head.

But still, this is a big example of Dawson being a "bad guy" and not even getting reprimanded for it. You don't kiss someone who just broke up with someone else, especially when she was in love with the guy. grrr!

[chemistry86]

I thought Dawson took advantage of Joey in 423. I remember when DJo broke up in the beginning of season 3 and Pacey was there for her as a friend. Dawson just moved right in when he saw he had a chance

[Ali Marie]

Agreed, Ada. Another reason to dislike DJo. Apparently it was okay for him to kiss her because Pacey was long gone.


Up thread... stay on topic please! Don't talk about Dawson unless it has to do with Joey too and vice versa.