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The Anti-D/J Thread #49: To them, "soulmates" mean needing each other to break down before reaching an understanding


Welcome to the 49th
Anti-Dawson/Joey Thread










"Fifteen years of watching PG movies in your bedroom,
followed by another year and a half pretending to be grown up
only to drop each other at the first sign of crisis?
That's your history?
Come on, man. And you call this woman your soulmate?"









Need we say more?





What We've Learned from Dawson and Joey
100. If you have sex with your "soul mate" you hair gets ruined for a year.
099. Only your soulmate would be way more passionate about making movies than about
you.
098. Only your soulmate would be relieved that someone else is taking care of you and it's
not her.
097. At any given opportunity, your soul mate will decline spending large amounts of time
with you.
096. After breaking up with your soupmate, you are no longer allowed to have any other
relationships, unless you decided to come back to said soupmate.
095. "Went out for breakfast" really means "I'm in a full-fledged relationship with another
woman and I'm gonna go break up with her on her answering machine."
094. Only your soulmate would choose to take dance lessons with your best friend over
you.
093. Only your soulmate would blame you for his father's death in an accident.
092. Don't EVER throw a surprise birthday party of your said soulmate... it will only turn
out to be a disaster.
091. If your soulmate tries to kill someone so they can win a boat race... RUN.
090. Only your soulmate would consider that you're not a hero.
089. Don't turn in your soul mates' father to the police.
088. Only your soulmate wouldn't know that the reason you look different is because you
lost your virginity to your boyfriend.
087. Only your soulmate would say that as long as he lives, he will never understand you.
086. Only your soulmate would see you crying on the dock and run in the opposite
direction to the man of her dreams.
085. Just because you have known someone your whole life doesn't mean you know them
as a person.
084. Soulmates don't want eachother, but nobody else can have them either.
083. Only your soulmate would be this oblivious about your feelings.
082. Only your soulmate would say he can't be himself when he's around you.
081. If your boyfriend says "the night is young", walk away.
080. Only your soulmate would say you're not the hero of the story.
079. Never make a pact to go to a prom with your guy friend when you are only a
freshman in high school.
078. When your soulmate says you are meant to be and she looks upset, that should be a
sign.
077. Don't read your soulmate's diary... or anyone's for that matter.
076. When your soulmate says she needs your friendship, which is completely different
from how she needs you're best friend, maybe you should catch a clue.
075. Don't blame your soulmate for your father's death.
074. You will only have a one night stand with your supposed "soulmate".
073. Everybody but your soulmate will know when you're falling madly in love with
someone.
072. Only your soulmate would tell her ex, who's your ex-best friend, that it wasn't her
choice that she didn't ask you to stay for her.
071. Only your soulmate would choose your best friend over you... TWICE!
070. Don't follow your heart because there will be consequences... like your soulmate
giving you ultimatums.
069. Just because you got your dream, doesn't mean you have everything else.
068. Only your soulmate would tell your best friend that your the past and he's her future.
067. Only your soulmate would forget you exist to go after another girl.
066. Only your soulmate would find you beautiful with makeup and a dress on.
065. Only your soulmate would be in denial about you waiting for him.
064. Note To Self: The only way of ever marrying your soulmate, is in your dreams.
063. Don't ruin a half-decent friendship by kissing said friend.
062. Only your soulmate will act like you betrayed him when you weren't even together.
061. A soulmate doesn't always mean the love of your life.
060. Only your soulmate would lose her virginity to your best friend.
059. Being someone's soulmate doesn't necessarily imply romantic connections.
058. Only your soulmate would say you don't inspire her to run a way with you.
057. Only your soulmate would lose complete touch with you while acquiring their own
dream and not even realize that you got back together with said best friend.
056. Thinking about spending the summer with your soulmate would make you this happy.
055. Only your soul mate would get a BJ from a stripper wannabe.
054. Only your soulmate would say he can't be himself around you.
053. Only your soulmate would compare your lives to TV or movies and try to rationalize
everything based on those outcomes.
052. Only your presumed soulmate would have to beg you to go to the prom with him,
promising it was just in friendship, then bribe you with diamond earings that he "borrowed
from his mom" to finally leave you standing in the street alone because you were dancing
with his best friend.
051. Only your soulmate would ignore your e-mails over 5 years.
050. Don't try to be like the guy your "soulmate" is in love with... You'll end up looking
like an even bigger ass.
049. Only your soulmate wouldn't be able to promise you that you are making the right
decision by staying because of her.
048. Only your soupmate would fail to mention to you that she changed her mind and will
actually attend your mother's wedding.
047. Only your soulmate would call you on the phone from her trip with your best friend
feeling scared and unsure of her feelings, and when she gets done talking to you.... She
finally shows a little... "Spine" by moving on and choosing who is truly in her heart....
and will run as fast as she can to "Real soulmate" and collapse's into his arms and "BED".
046. Only your soupmate would guilt you in going to a dance when you've just broken up
with the love of your life.
045. Only your soupmate would lose all contact with you for five years.
044. Only your soupmate would be so blind to see that you've actually fallen for someone
else.
043. Only your soupmate would think he makes you nervous, not taking into account that
you were just dancing with your HOTT True Love.
042. Only your soulmate wouldn't notice the longing looks between you and his best friend.
041. Only your soupmate would dump you after two months of dating under the lame
excuse that she wants to find herself.
040. Only your soupmate would force you to wear his mothers diamond earrings.
039. Only your soupmate would make you forget that he broke up with you and then try to
blame you for moving on.
038. Only your soupmate would start taking your clothes off and say "the night is young",
and think its romantic.
037. Only your soulmate would write a letter to manipulate you.
036. Only your soulmate would be a lousy driving instructor and yell at you while you're
learning.
035. Only your soulmate would make you turn in your own father.
034. Only your soupmate would cry over the fact of having to spend the summer with you.
033. Only your soulmate wouldn't understand why you two weren't together anymore.
032. Soupmates dont have sex they do a "hole in a sheet act".
031. Soupmates make you feel suffocated.
030. Choosing morals over the people you supposedly love never ends well.
029. When stating your 'soulmate' is like your sister, and being with her would be a little
incestuous... don't change your mind after you spot her wearing 10 pounds of makeup
and declare her yours for the rest of time.
028. When your soulmate says she's relieved that someone else is taking care of you, that
should tell you something.
(Let's continue!...)





"The truth is I've never thought of Joey in a romantic context. I've always thought of her
as like a sister. I just don't think I could ever get past that. If Joey and I got together
it would be, a little incestuous
."






Reasons
01. They are way too co-dependent.
02. They held each other back.
03. They use each other as security blankets.
04. They are always 15 and having the same argument over and over and over.
05. They can never be together for longer than 2 months without breaking up.
06. They always have massive arguments, but never resolve anything.
07. They didn't want each other, they just didn't want to lose the other.
08. Dawson almost killed Pacey to win her love.
09. Their sex the first time was so bad, that they almost killed each other and
never repeated their mistake.
10. Their chemistry had no fizzle, like a flat soda.





Top 5 Fights

#1
The Longest Day - 3x20

"The way that I feel about him [Pacey] is completely separate from the
way that I feel about you and our friendship."





#2
The Song Remains the Same - 6x02

"Joey you and I both know if either one of us had stopped and thought for even a second
last night, then what we did never would've happened."





#3
Be Careful What You Wish For - 2x16

Face, meet cake.




#4
The Dance - 2x06

"There's no justifiable reason why the girl who spent the last 15 years of her life
pretending I was the only thing she wanted ended up kissing some other guy and lying about it."





#5
Parental Discretion Advised - 2x22

"What I have to say you're not gonna like, so I'll say it quickly. I hope one
day that I will be able to forgive my father for all of this. And I don't know if I'll ever be
able to forgive myself. But I know that I will never forgive you. See Dawson, there are
certain circumstances that love cannot overcome and from now on, I don't wanna know you."






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Quotes
Dawson: Even if Joey came up to me today and said, "I forgive and I forget," I wouldn't.
I wouldn't forget that most of the past year has been a hellish nightmare. It's been
verbalizing and angsting instead of living.



Pacey: Here we go again, kiddies. For the 476th time this hour, our number one billboard chart topper, 'The Ballad of Dawson and Joey'. Will those two crazy kids ever get back together again? Boy, I sure hope so.
Joey: Pacey, would you stay out of it?
Pacey: Of course, far be it from me, lowly creature that I am, to ever tread on the sanctity of the Dawson and Joey dynamic. Sorry, it's just that I find the way that you treat him so fascinating, Potter.
Joey: And how is that, Doctor Witter?
Pacey: Like he's some weird, neutered, little virginal creature.
Dawson: What's your problem?
Pacey: Huh! I don't have a problem. I am but a Greek chorus, here to observe and interpret.
Joey: Pacey, when did you adopt this mean streak?
Pacey: Come on, Joey. You and I, we've always been known for the 'Snap, Crackle, and Pop' of our repartee.
Joey: Right. The good natured banter. But to the best of my recollection, I don't remember it ever being pointed and it's never been hurtful.
Pacey: Or even being taken so seriously.
Joey: But how could I not take it seriously, Pacey? And you said, one harsh, nasty thing after another to me tonight. What did I really do to deserve all that?
Pacey: You didn't do anything to deserve this. The drunken lout in the corner just plead sheer frustration. I mean, honestly, do you have any idea how exhausting it is to exist on your periphery? Do witness this perpetual dance that you two have? One week you're soul-mates, the next week you're giving each other up for the greater good. I mean, do you think it's possible that sometime soon, you could make up your mind? Please? And on the reverence that you treat this little sage of yours with, is enough to make a guy puke.



Joey: I had spent the entire weekend thinking that you had heard everything I had to say on that message and that you came anyway. That you understood me.
Dawson: Joey, as long as I live, I will never understand you. I mean, I had this fantastic weekend. Hanging out with you. Hanging out with my friends. Questions whether or not, I even wanted to go back to LA, and then I wake up this morning to find out that the girl that was so upset that I couldn’t come, could actually kiss me off in the waning hours of Friday night.
Dawson: Joey, I am here. I’ve been here for two days, and only now are we finding a way to talk about stuff that really matters. Like why you left that message. All right? And you know, maybe that is the ending we are supposed to have. Maybe every other attraction that we feel each other is just, fear of moving on, fear of growing up.

Joey: Dawson, how do you know I'm not just a security blanket for you? You know, something
that you'll keep coming back to whenever the world gets scary.

Audrey: They do this all the time, right? No big whoop. I mean, it's normal to fight. It's healthy.
Pacey: Oh, I don't know if healthy's the word I would use to describe their relationship.
I mean, I'm all for "will they, won't they" finally getting their shot, but for two people
to be that dependent on each other for their life's happiness is just--

Audrey: Incredibly romantic?
Pacey: Or perhaps structurally unsound?
Jack: Yeah, I'll second that.





Future Thread Titles
Just two old friends making a big mistake.
Dawson is Joey's past tense.
Dawson & Joey = Past Tense
Because roommates doesn't equal soulmates.
Because 15 years of PG movies don't make soulmates.
Every attraction they felt for each other was just fear of growing up.
Because Dawson's one true love is Dawson.
Because they both ended up with their true loves, not each other.
Because trying to kill someone is not considered a romantic gesture.
Because he saw how much she loved Pacey. He saw it in her face.
Because their romance cheapened their friendship.
If date night is "E.T."... then that's their foreplay.











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I had to change the title a little to make it fit.
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TFTNT!

I seriously can't believe Dawson started to plan his summer with Joey after he saw the struggle Joey and Pacey had over the last few weeks to pretend they didn't have feelings for each other. It literally look her TEARS in his face for him to budge.
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Thanks for the new thread!


I felt so bad for Joey in the scene where she was dancing with Dawson, literally breaking down in front of him.
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It's sickening that she feels she can tell Pacey how she feels about him only after Dawson tells her it's okay. Then he was like Pacey=Paris as if what she felt for Pacey was some fleeting impulse. Such a sickening episode for Dawson.
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Dawson was just not a good person in season 3. I don't know if they were purposely writing him to be the villain but he came across like that to me. How he treated Joey and Pacey was unforgivable.
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TFTNT!

I seriously can't believe Dawson started to plan his summer with Joey after he saw the struggle Joey and Pacey had over the last few weeks to pretend they didn't have feelings for each other. It literally look her TEARS in his face for him to budge.
What I love is that Pacey NEVER made her choose. "I understand. No ultimatums here."
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Exactly. Some people thought that the speech "you're off the hook" was intended for Dawson/Joey, to which I say...when has Dawson ever done a selfless thing in his life? He is physically incapable of letting Joey off the hook. He actually slept with her while seeing someone else because he had to have her at all costs. It is most definately a speech Pacey would make and had they intended the finale to go the Dawson/Joey way, I am sure Dawson's speech to Joey would be completely different...highlighting the fact that he has never done a selfless thing in his life when it comes to Joey.

Seriously when he was "setting her free" in 3x23, he told her it was a colossal mistake and all roads would lead back to him. Ironically it did not lead back to him.
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I don't get how that speech could have been for Dawson either. He has never once in her life set her free to be able to do what she wants. Even when he told her she was free, she could do what she wants, he was still basically calling it a mistake and in turn telling Joey she was making a stupid decision.
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I don't get how that speech could have been for Dawson either. He has never once in her life set her free to be able to do what she wants. Even when he told her she was free, she could do what she wants, he was still basically calling it a mistake and in turn telling Joey she was making a stupid decision.
Basically that's what he did.

I can't see Dawson saying the kitchen speech. It's not in his character. And I have to think that the writers are more creative than just using the same speech they had for Dawson. Plus, we know that Josh put his own touch on it as well.
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I just rewatched "True Love" and I hate when Dawson tells Joey to cut him some slack and not to act like she was stuck with him. Umm buddy she was stuck with you. She figured you would never forgive her and so she stuck with you in fear that she would lose her childhood friend. She wanted to be with Pacey and she was forced to stick with you out of friendship loyalty.

I also hate how he was willing to forgive Joey but he couldn't forgive Pacey. How is what Pacey did worse than what Joey did? They were both meant to be his bestfriends and they inevitably felt an undeniable attraction to each other, then acted on it. Why was it easy for him to forgive Joey but not Pacey? Is it because he could not stand to lose out to someone he considered lower than himself?
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It is that and Dawson forgets that Joey actually has a mind of her own.
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I can't stand that Joey seems to forget that she is her own person, whenever Dawson is around. She seems scared and she seems so trapped.
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Funny but true.

13 Reasons Why Pacey Was So Much Better Than Dawson
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Haha so true! I literally was laughing out loud, especially at the last one.
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