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Old 05-12-2017, 11:17 AM
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Your right, my point is that the few times they did fight they talked about it and made up. I'm just sick of the lies about that in S4 and people overblowing them having a few arguements when every couple on DC (and in real life) has argued before. Some people acted like Pacey was smacking her around, GMAB
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Your right, my point is that the few times they did fight they talked about it and made up. I'm just sick of the lies about that in S4 and people overblowing them having a few arguements when every couple on DC (and in real life) has argued before. Some people acted like Pacey was smacking her around, GMAB
I totally agree, Pacey and Joey didn't have big fights every episode. They were arguments or conflicts that were resolved at their end, sometimes in their very next scene together. And it didn't happen in every episode.

I wouldn't call them lies, though. People have different perceptions and see what they see or want to see. And we all remember things differently based on what we like or don't like. It happens in every fandom. That's why we have discussions and debates.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:24 PM
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That's true about the POVs. Just watch The Affair (which has Josh Jackson in it BTW), it shows how different one person's point of view can be from someone else's. After watching The Affair, it made me realize that we have to be sensitive to the fact that we are all going to perceive things differently and I think that is exactly how it works here as well between Dawson and Pacey fans or PJo/DJo fans.

As long as we recognize that in each other, we won't get so annoyed, hopefully

I really enjoyed watching Pacey and Joey in the opening scene when they are headed off to school as a couple and their banter. I always loved their banter, even when they weren't a couple.

And I loved how Joey didn't care who saw them making out outside the classroom. She muckled right onto Pacey in that scene, it was cute.
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Old 05-13-2017, 11:05 AM
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Good example using The Affair.

Yeah, I loved how Joey didn't have a problem with PDA despite what she said.
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Yeah, she's really into that kiss.



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Old 05-15-2017, 10:02 AM
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I love the opening scene of this episode from the holding of hands and that passionate kiss by the classroom (with Dawson needing to squeeze by).

The original song (Superman by Five for Fighting) makes the last scene with Pacey and Joey so good. Its a shame it was replaced on the DVD and syndication.
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:39 AM
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I hate the DVD replacement music (just like in the 4x1 "This Year's Love" being replaced) I watched it when it was on WB so I prefer the original music. Like when we had the music survivor, people kept voting off the original music and it just hurt my soul. Much better than the replacement music.
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:30 AM
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I hate the DVD replacement music (just like in the 4x1 "This Year's Love" being replaced) I watched it when it was on WB so I prefer the original music. Like when we had the music survivor, people kept voting off the original music and it just hurt my soul. Much better than the replacement music.
That is a shame. I wish I was around when music survivor was going on! So many key scenes throughout the show's history were enhanced by great song selection. I wish the DC music site was still up to compare the original to the replacement song.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:07 AM
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I don't think the school issues is a repeat as it is an ongoing battle for him.
repeat and ongoing are the same thing.

DJ fought a lot too, I am not denying that, but it didnt feel like it was AS often as PJ thus far. But we'll see.

Maybe real life couples fight, but tv couples shouldn't fight every single episode. That's not a rootable couple to me.

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I'm just going to say that I don't count that as a big fight between Pacey and Joey.
I never said "big" fight. And argument counts too imo.

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He sort of was in that episode though Ordering her to leave the party?


Dude, its like there are so many freaking PJ fans on the board and one person comes in that doesnt like them and suddenly I am the most evil person to exist that is making up "lies".... its just so ridiculous. Let someone have a different opinion for Christ sake.
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This episode was pretty boring to me. Jack, Jen and Andie really had nothing to do. Even Dawson.

Pacey's school issues feel like a repeat and oh look, two more pj fights. This is 3 since the start of the season, I'm gonna keep track. And then Pacey brings up Dawson again and its just getting so old. This is why i cant ship PJ. Not cuz of the fighting or the fact I think they just dont work, but because Pacey can't let go of his insecurities.
yes another fight about dawson, not resolving anything is what I view.
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repeat and ongoing are the same thing.

DJ fought a lot too, I am not denying that, but it didnt feel like it was AS often as PJ thus far. But we'll see.

Maybe real life couples fight, but tv couples shouldn't fight every single episode. That's not a rootable couple to me.



I never said "big" fight. And argument counts too imo.



He sort of was in that episode though Ordering her to leave the party?


Dude, its like there are so many freaking PJ fans on the board and one person comes in that doesnt like them and suddenly I am the most evil person to exist that is making up "lies".... its just so ridiculous. Let someone have a different opinion for Christ sake.
Everyone's opinion is welcome here. Please let's not take a discussion about a show personally. I know people still have strong opinions about PJ/DJ, but it's just a discussion with many differing views.


I think just the opposite about couples. TV couples fight more than real couples. There has to be drama and story for TV couples or they become boring and fade into the background. A show about relationships like DC has to have couples fight and have conflict. If a couple stays happy for too long, there's no show. And I don't think PJ fought in every single episode and DJ fans can probably argue the same thing about DJ

Pacey was wrong for not asking Joey to leave. I just don't see the argument as that bad. It wasn't near the level of smacking her around, imo. Joey told him off and did not stand for his behavior, but she was also wrong for keeping some stuff from Pacey. He knew that she wasn't being entirely truthful to him.

And of course, the argument was about Dawson. It was the start of the new season and Dawson was obviously going to be a conflict between PJ. Dawson is the title character and significant to both Pacey and Joey. But the deeper issues with them were Pacey's insecurities about not being good enough and Joey's fears about growing up. Dawson symbolized those issues.
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