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miss3cris · 05-16-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Citrus and Vine

I think we both agree that some civilized people consider the death penalty to be an unacceptable punishment for crime. As we have both noted, France and other modern countries forbid the death penalty.

Antar seems to have had a monarchy government, until the Royal Four were murdered.

Antar also had very advanced technology, compared to Earth. Antarians could travel to other planets and to other solar systems. So, I think we are both currently in agreement that any crimes Kal or Nasedo committed on Antar wouldn’t have had to be punished by death. Antarians were able to think of other punishments and controls, in response to crime.

What does being technologically advanced have to do with socially enlightened policies?

While I appreciate your obviously well thought out ideas on the mythology behind the show, I pretty much find your theories to be ludicrious as they are not based on a scrap of evidence from the show. The truth is that we have very little and sometimes conflicting information to go on in constructing ideas about the Sci-Fi aspects of the show so we must rely on common sense, human history (because altho the mythology concerns an alien society, it was written by humans), and those bare scraps from the show.

You're pretty much ignoring the show. You intersperce your argument with facts from the show then make wild jumps to theory without explaining your process of connecting the facts to your theory.

For example, above you state that Antar was a monarchy before the R4 were killed and were a technologically advanced society. These are facts based from the show. Then, you repeat your assertion that Kal and Nacedo were punished for interfering in Zan's life. How do the two assertions connect? They don't.

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Originally Posted by Citrus and Vine

The Skins didn’t work for Kivar. The Skins were exiled to Earth and forced to wear husks they hated. The Skins wanted the Granilith, so they could leave Earth.

Why should we believe that Nicholas was lying about being Kivar's second-in-command on Earth especially when Lonnie remembered him and the other delegates at the summit remembered him and believed him? They're the leaders of the other worlds that Kivar is warring with. They better than anyone ought to know who can and can't speak for him.

Also, at silverhandprint.com, there was a diary from Whitaker's pov that clearly states that the Skins were sent to Earth by Kivar to search for the R4.

In summary, based soley on facts from the show and it's creators, they most certainly did work for Kivar.

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Originally Posted by Citrus and Vine

Kal and Nasedo were evil people. They murdered innocent people for their own gain. They were bad, evil, self-centered people. They didn’t help other people. They harmed and murdered people without provocation. They didn't protect anyone.

Nasedo protected the R4. He raised Tess. He killed for them. He covered up Pierce's murder for them. He dismantled the Special Unit for them. He died fighting Whitaker for them. He wasn't a pleasant man. He didn't like the humans. He didn't like how human Max/Isabel/Michael were and this caused him to show a certain amount of disrespect for Max (and the thing with kidnapping Liz), but he did what he thought was best to keep them safe and preparing for their return to Antar.

Kal and Nasedo were soldiers. They killed easily, but I think this would be a vital quality in men sent to protect the future of a planet. They met (what they saw as) deadly force with deadly force. I'm not saying they were always right to do and kill who they did, but they seemed to see things in a very back and white manner. This just seemed to be their way.

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Originally Posted by Citrus and Vine

Do you think that you personally could ever lose interest in caring about the people you currently care about, even 50 years into the future?

The simple answer to this question is yes. I've been friends with people, cared about them then something happens between us or a series of events happen that leads me to believe that I was mistaken in caring about this person and counting this person as my friend so after a time of reflection if I decide I am right to reconsider my relationship with them I end this relationship and I don't care about this person two years later and in fifty years I probably won't even remember this person. So, yes.

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1. This question presumes that the protectors ever cared about the R4.
2. I never suggested this because I don't think of the protectors as parents, but soldiers and bodyguards. I don't think they care for the R4. I think they might traditionally hold special reverence for them (like Courtney for Rath but toned down). Also, as xmag suggested, I think the shapeshifters as a race are probably the traditional protectors/guards of the royalty on Antar. Because they hold this position, they are required as a policy to be programmed to be absolutely loyal to the word of the King. This is, of course, a false loyalty but one you probably wouldn't question surrounded by those in the same position as you (and if you did, you might want to keep it quiet seeing how the shapeshifters handle problems) but would question after fifty years of not being compelled to this loyalty.

This theory is based on the fact that Kal had to obey Zan, my limited knowledge of the tradition of elite military guard for leaders (i.e. CIA), and Kal's comments about preferring life on Earth to Antar. It says it no where in the show. If you don't want to believe it, fine. But this makes a lot more sense to me than overly complicated theories where we have to disregard almost everything from the show.

This is Ros not X-Files.