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| Hey guys!! I'm warming up to a discussion here 
Reggie, though I do understand where you are coming from, I don't think the former or the present R4 were spoiled to that extent.
First of all, let's take the former. I can believe that the Queen Mother -or Zan himself- planned all of this in anticipation for any eventuallity -might be a lot of stretch, but okay, let's say it could- but I don't see a Rebellion forming, maintaining and still fighting 50 years later if their rulers were idiots, or spoiled brats (is it spoilt? sorry, English is my second language...  ). This Rebellion is strong enough for Khivar to want to come heremin search of them, play the Summit to make them look bad, try to kill them, etc., etc., etc.. No, this Rebellion wants Khivar out and Zan back.
Most of the info we got about their previous lives came from enemy sources, which are not exactly the best out there, or that are shaped according to this group's perspective. Larek said Zan wanted to do too much too soon, and that Khivar took it all away, and Larek did seem sad about that. Courtney trusted that Michael was good enough to keep the "brink of a Golden Age" going on, something that Zan was failing to do, at least according to this group.
I know that kings can be idiots, selfcentered, yadda, yadda, yadda, but it does sound, at least sometimes, that Zan and co. were trying to do right. At least right enough for people to build a legend around them and still be waiting after 50 years.
So, back to the big scheme. I do agree with miss3cris that the plan including being raised by Humans is not coherent. First of all, that would imply a very large understanding of Human nature, and that would lead to "what the hell am I thinking sending our only hope there?"  Okay, rant there. What I mean is that, with that in mind, look where Michael ended. Max and Isabel could have ended everywhere, and have crappy lives. What if their families decided to move out of the country? If their parent divorced and took each children their own separate ways? What if Michael and Isabel had, indeed, ended up as siblings, and without any memory, Max and Isabel had thought they had a chance?
Besides, 1947 society has little to do with 1989 society. And that applies to most of the whole world. So, if it was ever a plan, it would have had been done 40 years later. It was too much of a risky bet, with no unclear outcome at all. I think that Nasedo did lose them, and it was never intended for the R4 to be raised as humans, get attach to consider this their home planet and to have no idea how things were on their planet. If they are expected to lead, they have to know who they are leading.
The whole thing with the memories might as well be a flaw. The memories are clearly there -very conviniently popping up for Michael in Interruptus, but okay... - but they are just not doing all those retrieval techniques or whatever. Or maybe they are supposed to remember later in life, when they are matture enough to understand what they are remembering and know what to do with it.
By the way, miss3cris, totally loved your line about the dupes being neglected!  They knew how powerful they were, so they used it to their own adventage, specially on a place that was so full of dangers like New York where they had to fend for themselves. They were brats, but they were not stupid.
So, for me, the whole two sets thing being separated was due to choices taken here, on Earth, between 1947 and 1989, for reasons unknown to us (don't you just love fanfiction??). Kal seriously forgot about going to Antar, and pretty much hoped that the R4 of both sides forgot about it, or at least forgot about him. Nasedo, in the other hand, didn't. Was the NasedoPact true or not, that's a whole other discussion, but I don't think this was all planned out when the Antarians decided to make the Hybrids. Things just happened.
The Shapeshifters thing... Tic-tac is still a very popular idea, and he could have never been Kal because Kal insisted he hadn't shifted for the past 30 years. Clearly, we can go with Tic-tac being a third shapeshifter. We know from Pierce that there were four an that only two survived, but who knows? Maybe there were more the Special Unit did not know about, maybe this third came before, later, whatever. Still, it's a wild card here. There's so little we know about shapeshifters that almost anything can be applied.
I do believe, though, that Nasedo was tic-tac. Maybe it's a little thin, but Maxsedo's line to Liz that he had been so many people she had no idea works for me and believing he was Margollis, the guy in SH, and the one to kill Hank.
Now I feel like I'm starting to rant again...
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