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Originally Posted by Reggie And I don't take it as established that Kal (or any shapeshifter) had to obey direct orders from Max or any of the kids. Remember, their duty is to protect the kids; and if that conflicts with what the kids want then the kids have to obey their protectors; not vice versa. And if you are going to constrain the protectors to obey, then why such a cramped interpretation? Wouldn't a more general admonition be better, as well as easier?
Frankly, I think that staying away from the podsters, and not serving them, was the best thing that the shapeshifters could have done for them. It taught them not to be spoiled brats; and might that not have been the problem originally? That King Zan & company were spoiled, and that's what caused the problems? Remember the things Nikolas said about Max... | This is quite the discussion. I want in:
From canon, we can see that the plan to stash the R4 on Earth didn't go down exactly as planned. They crashed. The protectors from the ship were injured, a few died and they lost the pods so I think it's safe to say that things went a little haywire on Earth. So, this leads me to believe that this plan was dashed together by ? (King Zan, the Queen Mother, idk) and they didn't know what was going to happen once the pods hatched. I think they expected (this drawn from the surprise from the other aliens they encountered) the R4 to remember Antar. Therefore, while they might've physically been children, they would've internally been adults. So, the argument that they wouldn't want to spoil the kids seems too far a stretch. I don't think they thought that far.
Also a stretch,
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Originally Posted by Citrus and Vine Kal and Nasedo arrived on Earth in 1958/1959, eleven or twelve years after the 1947 crash. | Why should we believe that Kal and Nasedo aren't the protectors from 1947? I understand perfectly well that both Kal and Nasedo were terrible protectors and did act like enemies (based on your interpretation) at times, but it seems much too convoluted a storyline to say that there were these protectors in 1947 but these two who say they are them really aren't them but we're never going to show you or tell you what happened to the 1947 protectors.
I'd just prefer to take Kal and Nasedo's word for it and believe that they, as xmag suggested, somehow lost interest in their jobs.
If we believe that Kal (and Nasedo by extension) have to follow Max's direct orders and are incapable of causing him serious harm (I think there is a logical loophole with Kal "attacking" Max. Kal may have led Max to believe he was in serious danger when he attacked him, but obviously since Max lived and was only a little banged up he wasn't in mortal danger from Kal. Therefore, Kal has some freedom to attack unless directly ordered not to but cannot seriously harm Max.) then I think we should consider that all the protectors/shapeshifters come with this feature so in 1947 fresh off the boat, as it were, neither man would think that having to obey your leader is strange and would blindly follow their role as protector cut to decades later on this new world with its dangers and temptations (at least Kal was tempted) and your being able to make ALL your own decisions.
You start questioning your loyalty and if you really want to go back to that life. You decide I never want to go back to that life and do everything in your power to make sure that the one person who can make you go back to that life never comes in contact with you. You have him arrested. You send a scary man to warn him away. You attack him.
Also, if the other R4 could've ordered around Nasedo or any of the protectors, Tess would've been in more control of that relationship than she was, but she was portrayed as being the "daughter" to his "father" suggesting that he had more power in the relationship than her.
ETA: In WO, Nicholas implied that not only is there a death penalty on Antar, but Zan liked to stage public executions ala the Roman Empire. __________________ That would be a good thing for them to cut on my tombstone: Wherever she went, including here, it was against her better judgment. -- Dorothy Parker
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