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They both had ordeals that they went through, the timing is not relevant.
Timing is relevant, because we were discussing a specific period - mid-season 5, when the scene I posted took place.
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Yet you mentioned Kelly’s cocaine problems when they didn’t happen in that season that you are referring.
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I mentioned, and emphasized very clearly, problems they had in that specific period. Problems one had since childhood, like those you listed for Kelly, cannot be an eternal excuse for everything forever. And they were used that way for Kelly.
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You don’t know how psychology works do you? A person with problems experienced since childhood who don’t go to therapy or receive any other kind of help in order to overcome them, are simply dragged throughout adulthood.
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As a matter of fact, I am not, I just see her as less privileged than Kelly, so I tend to often cheer for her against Kelly.
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I think it’s clear who was and was not priviledged on the show. If you lean more towards Valerie because she was less priviledged as you mention, that’s your prerrogative, but also a prejudice against “snobby and priviledged” as you keep mentioning it.
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See, I do not think she was inherently mean and nasty. It is hard to say what is inherent in any person, and what is a product of upbringing etc. I do not use such qualifications (like inherent) at all. i do not think any of the characters were supposed to be inherently mean and nasty.
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That’s subjective.
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Sometimes yes, sometimes not. Certainly not in the beginning.
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The beginning of what? Season 5? That’s called having intuition. Kelly wasn’t wrong about Valerie. And if you think that it was ok for her to lie to Cindy and Jim, smoke a joint at their house, hook up with Dylan and Steve at the same time are not reasons enough not to like her or trust her, well...
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I'd expect her to be less self-righteous based on privilege and less snobby by S5, because she was supposed to be reformed, but she was not really. Her snobbery only changed to include intellectual pretensions.
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All the characters were still going through pshysical and emotional maturity. I don’t know what exactly you were expecting. Why was she supposed to be reformed? According to whom? You? But again, you keep mentioning the words snobby, priviledge. You clearly have an issue with that.
Anyways, you have your opinion, I have mine. However, I don’t think we’ll share a common ground when it comes to these two characters, which is fine, so I’ll just leave it at that.