That's why I don't like the current state of the fandom. The haters who pit Kylo against Luke or Kylo against Vader are completely missing the point that we're not just looking at Kylo Ren, we're looking at Ben Solo who is completely at a loss to how to get back to his real self because he knows how much Snoke has ruined his family's lives. The haters who don't even try to understand that part of him which is truly suffering leaves me facepalming on a regular basis
