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Old 05-18-2017, 10:49 AM
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That doesn't sound like a synopsis for S4 I heard that Tom Felton is back though

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i'm not certain if mentioning something is entirely going out of your way for someone.....
No, it's not. My point is that Caitlin and Iris don't have an imbalanced relationship. They care very little about each other outside of the occasional scene. You were making it sound like Caitlin has been wronged by everyone because she's helped and supported them a bit more than they did her. I completely disagree with that.

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yes, but admittedly, that was somewhat of self interest. not saying it wasn't genuine but her encouraging her when stopping the spread of decay was in some part based on self preservation. i'd have done the same thing, but it doesn't make it some big act.
Not a big act. Still more than what the hero of the show did in that occasion. I was equating Iris' support of Caitlin to Barry's.

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joe's actions, while not directly or intentional, lead to her dying.
Joe indirectly causing her death does not compare to Caitlin purposely putting Iris in danger.

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yes - and again - if used, that could have made for some interesting drama and intrigue. there could have been a confrontation about that about her jeopardizing iris and about her potentially not trusting them to actually save her, etc... but instead.... nothing. which is kind of my larger point. the character basically amounts to........ nothing.
In this case it's her "sins" that amount to nothing. It's only Iris' life we're talking about I honestly got racist undertones in the writing for that episode. A black kid gets ostracized. A grown white woman is not held accountable for risking the life of another woman who just happens to be black. To me the show was trying to protect Caitlin and give her the sympathetic edit, not saying that the character amounts to nothing.

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i'm sorry but i have to laugh. a character where one "regular" cast member they interact with other than seasonal guest stars who routinely die - generally right in front of her -and or leave is not someone i'd ever consider to be treated pretty well.
She's not treated pretty well by the show, she's treated pretty well by the other characters. Again, when Barry doesn't want to sleep with Iris, she has no-one to support and comfort her unless it's plot-related. See Barry comforting Iris over Eddie one year after his death and only because the show had to move forward with WestAllen. Caitlin always has someone with the Zoom kidnapping maybe being the exception and it's not like that story lasted half a season.

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you mean kinda like when caitlain watched "jay" get killed right in front of her and then i was implied everyone but cisco just up and left?

or when after nearly dying before technically "dying" this season, everyone just kind of up and left except cisco and the recurring character of the season?
Cisco and the recurring character of the season is still someone. No-one hugged Iris after she lost Eddie. Iris had to comfort Joe after he spilled the beans on Francine. She cried alone on a stairwell when Joe and Barry had their "How's Iris?" scenes but couldn't be bothered to talk to her. No. Forcing Barry on Patty was the priority

And Iris is the female lead so the fact that she and Caitlin get treated equally is laughable in itself. The fact is, Iris is treated worse when it comes to grief and support unless Barry wants to get in her bed. Again, it's laughable and insulting.

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i mean... she's still the only character who no we've never seen anyone else met their parents or remaining parent / family. we obviously met francine, cisco's parents/dante, henry, - she went off on her own and all we got was a line from cisco about what her mom said. and then was nearly turned into a science experiment.
Iris is the female lead and her main love interest never met her mom. Let that sink in. Barry and Iris grew up without their mothers, bonded over that and he never met Francine. Season 2 was atrocious.

I agree that the writing fails Caitlin, that she has little character development and importance in the overall story but look at how outright insulting the writing for Iris is when Barry has his eyes elsewhere. Even though the show is horrible to Caitlin, I think the writers are more considerate to her considering that a) she's not the love interest of the protagonist and b) she's a supporting character. Of course, that is a pretty low bar to meet.
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