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If they don't know who it is, how can they stop people? Its not something that would be openly advertised.
| Oh? Hows about the rallies that are broadcast on the media? Sorry but the IRA and Shin Fein have been openly fund raising for years and it all helps disstabilise a country that's meant to be friends with them. Killing babies and so on...
Anyway, if it is so impossible to stop fundraising for terrorists then Al Quida should have no probs, despite the new laws in place that freeze all their assets and so on, course when it's murdering Americans it's pretty different from UK people.
The govt has intelligence on many suspected terorists and their finances. They could have acted to stop the IRA murdering people but chose not to.
Where the govt supporting Shin Fein? No I don't think so but to call anyone and everyone anti-american after 9/11 after allowing fund raisers for Shin Fein to happen you can see why I might see it as hypocritical.
Not even mentioning how the US govt tend to promise to sort out Israel before they receive some of thos rather large contributions from right wing anti-palestinian types.
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Exactly. They were INSIDE their borders, and the Taliban refused to give them up. They went in to get Al Quedea and as a consequence the Taliban fell.
I didn't agree with Afghinstan at the time, but I can admit that they had valid reasons for going there. I was also overjoyed that the Taliban were overthrown.
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Thing that is being ignored here is culture.
In Afghanistan if a person asks for help then they have a history of getting it from the people they ask.
It's in a way one of the most civilised places on Earth in that even if an American or UK soldier killed someones father they still get to ask for help.
They decided not to give up on their principles, even though there was a fair bit of debate and lets not forget just why the Taliban got in power.
Not that things have turned out that rosey. Women still face the same strict ideaology and Opium production is up.
The media have all but fogotten about Afghanistan, bush forgot to send them even 1 percent of what he promised in reconstruction and Al quida is still operating.
Talk about success?
This certainly isn't one and will no doubt be a time bomb both politically and otherwise in the future.
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While I didn't agree with Iraq, I haven't shed any tears over Saddam being overthrown.
And because someone is secular and dosen't approve of extremists, its OK? Never mind the fact that he was killing people every day?
| I really don't like Sadam I don't think anyone did. He was a murderous nut who is best out of power but I still dissagree with the way it was gone about.
I do think a lot of the military in doing it's job but the politicians who put Sadamn down yet carry on as best friends with the likes of Saudi Arabia are not on my xmas card list.
If we are to to the line with all leaders whop are like Sadamn then there's a few more on the list, Israel for starters.
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You should use the correct words. Some words are not synonims (sp?) and should not be used as such.
| I appologise for that, yes you are right and the connotations brought from my misstake is unjustified.
I still think he is a dictator with extreme Nationalistic views though.
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That's right, the Nazis were ALSO a socialist party.
| Yep, hence the name right.....
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Sorry but they do, in the top teer list the likes of the "Real IRA" are faced with the same restrictions as Al Quida.
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Then aren't the US placing restrictions on the IRA?
| By naming and shaming? No not exactly, this news is hardly widespread and to take no action against terrorists while saying how we need to invade two countries makes some folks really wonder about just how much the current Admin cares about folks outside the US.
World Terrorism? Don't kid yourself, it's US terrorism dressed up to make other nations care.
Nother point though, do you realise the difference between the IRA and the Real IRA? Thgey are quite different in their fanaticism.
If I read your point wrong then sorry but I got the feeling that you felt that IRA = Real IRA. Which it just plain doesn't.
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Excuse my ignorance here, but I thought a lot of the problems in Northern Ireland were gone? At least the terrorist bombings and such. There are still the divisions, but people aren't killing each other on the street are they?
The US might have turned a blind eye, I don't know. Its hard to say. But the US government never helped the IRA. US citizens might have, but not the government. There is a difference.
| Made a point up earlier that covers some of this point but just wanted to make a few additional comments.
If the US govt turned a blind eye to it's citizens financing terrorists even with the most advanced internal security service in the world then they are no different from the Taliban in what they did.
The UK govt tried to lobby the senate and president for a quarter of a centuary to stop it but they never listened till things happened on home soil.
Anyway, right now in Northern ireland there are certainly murders, all the prisoners from the 25 year struggle are out and have taken to dealing drugs or whatever.
Things out there are little different from where they were before, just that there;s no phone call with some group claiming they did the crime.
There's only no bombs going off in London or England now, things are in some ways pretty much worse than before.
So long as it isn;t a bomb in the news then folks just forget about it and with Iraq we got more focus.
Geneva convention is the top of the list for me. If they had followed it they would not be settling in Palestinian land as they are right now.
The number of illegal acts including ones against basic humaity commited by Israel are countless, if breaking the Geneva convention by stealing and keeping territory isn't enough then sure I can post more.
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I agree with that slightly. I don't think they should give Israel as much help as they do. Israel is doing awful things. However, to leave them to the wind would be awful. Cause I could guarantee that Israel would be marched on by a number of Arab countries, and that would be distarous.
| I do see what your saying here and do agree that to stop giving Israel aid would be bad but they are a Nuclear state which makes any invasion futile.
Syria, Egypt and so on have already tried to invade Israel a while back, I can only imagine that feelings amongst the Nations off camera are far worse now.
They need to make more attempts to get the road map to peace working and be far more proportional with their responses.
The current govt are pretty much a nightmare who deal with any problem in far too much a heavy handed approach. They have no solution but are doing a heck of a job at aiding the recruiting for the likes of Hammas.
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When has anyone ever disagred with this? When have I ever disagred with this? I'm just questioning your facts, which by your own admission, are wrong.
| Sorry, it's the way I post.
I do tend to quote people and after ending a response get into something else or another persons point.
NOt aiming it at you though I see why you'd be annoyed with me.
Sorry.
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perhaps though it still applies as Mr Bush is such a fanatical "Nationalist".
| Anyone anming an act as the "patriot act" and making people out to be treasonous if they aren't with them is certainly a fanatical Nationalist. |
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