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StellaSlight · 04-11-2004, 04:30 PM

I agree with Bobby (Enigma) and will say that I don't really care now if George W. Bush was fully aware or not of the situation back then. I'm only concerned with his current decisions in international politics. What is done is done.

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Perhaps some people see bigotry (such as anti-Semitism or anti-Americanism) where it doesn't exist, but the reverse can also happen. And there have always been people in the world ready to downplay bigotry and its effects, deny it exists or is as serious as it is, or deny that actual bigotry is actually bigotry.

As for conspiracy theories, not all such theories are the same. Some are innocent, some most definitely are not. For example, conspiracy theories to the effect that the Jews were behind 911 or are trying to take over the world are definitely bigoted. It is impossible to believe anti-Semitic conspiracy theories like those without being anti-Semitic.

But it's not like we haven't all been 'discussing' topics before, right? So it's not like we don't know where the other posters in this board stand in serious topics like anti-semitism and terrorism etc. And yet, we'll still appear as the anti-semitic people because we're not fully supporting Israel and also terrorist-lovers because we don't support Bush in Iraq. This manichaean too-cut-and-dry logic is what is baffling, bigotry or not. Especially when it's not relevant, like in this topic.

Now two comments :

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Posted by mh67511:

And there is no reason to believe that increased security would have prevented the attacks. It's not as if the hijackers had machine guns; they had box cutters.

Well, 'increased security' has prevented another madman from bombing another plane with his shoes.

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Posted by Abducted Bookworm :

FF rules do not force posters to credit this sort of loony conspiracy theory as being either correct, possible or even reasonable.

The claims made in the topic line of this post, like others made on this board, are not simply incorrect. They are absurd. They are intrinsically unreasonable and unacceptable.

Perhaps people have left this board because they are made uncomfortable by the bigotry towards certain groups that is often prevalent on the News and Politics threads. Perhaps moderate Democrats have visited the so-called "Democrats" thread, been disgusted, and left the board instead of joining (as I have) the so-called "Republicans" thread.

Well well well. Isn't that interesting. [img]smilies/nono.gif[/img]

It is one thing to call someone's opinion absurd. But to make assumptions on how people have been 'disgusted' by our thread and our views and left the board because of it, is another thing. And a telling thing about you.

I've seen people get a warning for less than that.

I think it is really easy to dismiss everyone else's opinion with a [i]'this is false. this is absurd. this is irrational.' like you always do and then call people bigots because they said something you don't agree with without much adding in the discussion to prove your point. You're the first one to call people anti-semitic, terrorist-lovers and anti-american based on their disagreement with Bush's politics, and we're the irrational bigots. Right.

Last thing, about loony theories and FF. I've seen some loony theories myself in this board. One of them was this crazy conspiracy theory about how most countries were lied to about the WMD, while Hussein was hiding them with his spaceship.