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True enough but "possible" is the only necessity for a teenage soap opera, "credible" certainly is not a requisite.



Im sure in hindsight Stupin regretted it, it didnt exactly shed Andie in the greatest light but that doesnt mean it wasn't possible. As for Dawson, I do beg to differ, not that it really matters who throws the first punch sometimes, it's really all about the reaction, if you can bring yourself to squarely punch a guy whom you just heinously insulted about his long time girlfriend that he was just cheated on by who, by the way, is SO DRUNK that he MISSED YOU when he tried to hit you first, then you definitely have it in you to do some of the things he did in late season 3. Plus Pacey did not alwasy throw the first punch, I recall a basketball incident in season 1 where Dawson was the one to get physical first.
Anyway Im not trying to change your mind on the Dawson/Andie facts of season 3. I do concede that they were not written in the greatest light perhaps to bring PAcey and Joey into the forefront but I can also remember a time in season 4 where Pacey was written like a jackass that scremed at his girlfriend in the middle of senior prom and Dawson was "picking up the pieces". SO it doesnt just happen to poor Dawson, it happens all the time when and with whom the writers want it to happen with.



Im positive that I agreed that Castaways was completely contrived, if you scroll up about 2 posts you'll find it. I have no problem whatsoever admitting that a Pacey and Joey situation was silly or contrived or that Pacey did something stupid, I never have, but I do think that a situation like Castaways, which was a sweeps episode, was about drama. Like I said before, certainly Pacey and Joey sitting on a couch watching movies and deciding they had feelings for one another again wouldnt be the greatest drama. But in Coda, thats exactly what they did, just more boring. I do agree that the situation are similar, two couples who hadnt approached romance ina long time rediscovering feelings but what I thought was silly about Coda that cannot be applied to Castaways was that just an episode before Joey was completely broken up over a relationship that had just ended and proceeded to completley forget about it come the next episode and season whereas in Castways, the situation was far more realtistic, Joey was broken up about a relationship and when that guy came back, she left Pacey. That makes sense, Coda did not. And dont tell me it was the magic of Dawson and Joey, it was just silly and a horrible, very regrettable way to make a transition between couples. Keep in mind, Im not saying that the outcome of Coda, JOey and Dawson rediscovering feelings for one another, was silly or contrived, I just thought the way they approached teh episode and the way they transitioned back to DJ was far too abrupt and cheesy.


I dont recall saying I ever found PJs breakup or Pacey sailing away not credible. It certainly was, it was a long time coming that Pacey and Joey were going to break up, perhaps not in the way they did, I think Paceys violent feelings were a bit out of the blue aside from the actual episode of Promicide, but him actually deciding that their futures were too different and leaving was certainly credible. All I was saying was that they couldve incorporated him more into the finale instead of sending him away an episode before in order to make the last episode of the season completley saturated in DJ, like I said the transition into DJ couldve been a lot more natural and subtle.









I dont think I underestimate DJ's bond, I just dont think it was as intense and fabulous as some people say in later seaons. The way I see it Joey and Dawson started with a great bond in season 1 that just continually diminished and diminished over the 6 year run of the show to the point where in the finale they hadnt contacted each other for 5 years. Plus I really feel as if you're making their early failed romance far more complicated that it needs to be,. if saying that their earlier friendship made it so hard for them to figureo ut who they were and carry on a romance makes you feel better about the fact that they couldnt be boyfriend and girlfriend for very long in season 2 then thats fine, I just think it's really not that critical. They simply thought that since they had such a great firnedship maybe romance was in the cards but it just never really was. It's as simple as that to me. because if you point of view is really correct then later on when they grew up and dated other people and lived out of symbiosis they probably wouldve been able to be together but they never were. I suppose there's an excuse for their later failure too though.




I SOOO disagree with this. First, I never actually said DJ werent friends anymore in the end. Of course they were, they always would be. I just said that it was implicitly said in the finale that they hadnt contacted each other in 5 years. Plus just like PJ hadnt really spoken much in season 5, how much did Dawson an dJoey "really" talk in season 6? I recall a Christmas truce and then not so much from then until the very few last episode of the season and THEN they didnt talk for 5 years! So I dont think they werent friends, just not very close ones anymore.
Meanwhile I dont think you're seeing both sides of it. One thing I've always adored about Pacey and Joey is that even after they broke up they were great friends, Pacey and Joey really never had any horrible fall outs. The only time they really didnt talk all that much was before they were good friends/lover sin season 2 and in season 5 when they had moved on but were STILL friends. Meanwhile I cant count on one hand how many huge fallouts Dawson an dJoey have had where they didnt tlk to each other or were angry at each other. SO how you can say that despite the ups and downs they always stayed friends and try to make that a trump card over Pacey and Joey is beyond me. Pacey and Joey were the same, if not far more stable in the friendship/steady relationship department.
Not that Im comparing their bond, I think that Dawson and Joeys early bond in season 1 really lasted I just think that it says something that after almost every big fight or situation that happened with them they pretty much hada three month fall out, sure they always made up, but the point is there were a lot of points over the series where they really were estranged, I dont know of any time where Pacey and Joey were purposely estranged over something aside from between seasons 4 and 5 where they were on good terms though.


Dude, Ijust explained it like...a gajillion times over my last few posts, I cant say it all again. If you really wanna know why I found it unrealistic just scroll up where I explained my POV again.