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Originally Posted by emily_reich well, as per jack's divorce and viv losing her promotion basically because of it... i'll agree that as much as i like jack, i do have mixed feelings, partly cuz i like viv MORE and partly cuz jack's divorce got us the ep which was, in my humble opinion of course, the most boring of the season (not even because there was no MP case)... i certainly felt bad for viv losing her promotion but at the same time IIRC it's not completely jack's fault, as he asks for a lower position and it's his boss that gives him his old job back instead... so, like i said... mixed feelings... | Quote: |
Originally Posted by NikNak About Vivian's promotion, I didn't really like the way that was handled and I felt bad for Vivian. Although I never wanted Jack to leave and I wanted him to have his old job back (he's one of my favorites, sue me), I think it could have been dealt with differently. If the writers weren't going to have Vivian keep the job, it should have been written that she left that position on her own, somehow, not for it to have been taken from her like that. | I didn't like Vivian in her boss role, while I like her character, she did not convince me as boss, i think she lacks the spark that gives Jack the edge to be a good boss, after all. So I couldn't see a team lead by nobody but Jack, This said, it was fun, in way, seeing Jack working under her direction, it was so difficult for Jack not giving orders, and in Thou Shalt Not Fault, we got to see they butting head (is this the right sentence?) regarding the way to approach the case (I think Martin went home dizzy  )
As for the way it was handled, I like it.. I mean nobody was a fault there, not Jack, not Vivian, and this makes the story more believable for me, because sometime, life just sucks and it's nobody fault.
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Originally Posted by NikNak Well, Jack is my 2nd favorite character, and while I respect other people not liking him so much (we all agree to disagree so very well here on our board!), I really don't see how it seemed like Jack's past wasn't realistic or solidly based just because we didn't see (onscreen) alot of build-up about it over several episodes. I think that's one of the great things about WAT in that the writers subtly gives us hints of problems or issues that a character is facing without dwelling on such issues in every single episode. Personally, I don't need to be hit over the head with something all the time in order to actually get it. | I agree with you on this, Nikki. Even if the lack of hints during Clare de Lune is a major break of continuity (or maybe at the time TPTB had yet to add that part to Jack past). During Season One, we could see Jack was touched by the cases in a deep way even if the writers didn't explain why.
My problems with too much tragic revelations it's that they are the past, while I like to see the characters grow through their job. I like to see them making mistakes or wrong assumptions, and learning from them. This makes them more human.
Jack has done his share of mistakes and error in judgment (I'm not referring to the affair with Samantha that does not endear Jack character to me) I'm thinking more of the big mistake he did in the Spaulding case, or in Thou Shalt not Fault, about the bombing. Plus, Jack has distanced himself from his team, resulting in his agents distancing themselves from him. Now, for the next season it's probable that we'll see Jack trying to learn from his mistakes, and this is good.
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Originally Posted by NikNak Regarding Jack's divorce, while I can understand how Marie couldn't get past the affair with Sam and how Jack is such a workaholic, she should not have made it seemed like she was willing to work on the marriage when she really wasn't. She was a true bitch at the end, simple as that. Her behavior was cruel and unnecessary. | I disagree on this aspect. Marie was bitchy in her behavior, but not more at fault than Jack was. Divorces are nasty things and people do hateful things during them, fact is that love become hate in the span of a minute. I don't want to condone Marie, but defining her a bitch is too much, I think. Both Jack and his wife have responsibilities for the ending of their marriage, and I find amusing, if not strange, that Marie learn of the circumstances of death of Jack mother only when she does. This imply a severe lack of communication.
That’s my two bits, for now 
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