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Beautifully said Ale

Oh gosh you have no idea how much this whole 'Nate is such a sucky friend" stuff makes me want to drop-kick somehting! I hate that most people don't seem to care enough about Nate to think about his motivations or personality at all to be able to figure out his actions. They just take a few things they see and filter it through character bias for someone else, and bam that its, its fact, and there couldn't possibly be other factors involved. Nate is a horrible friend who judges Chuck, while Chuck is the saintly bff that never judges Nate and is always there for Nate while Nate doesn't do anything for Chuck at all. First of all, Chuck does judge Nate-with things like the put downs about his intelligence, his depth, the value of his relationships, ect. Chuck can be very loyal, and he obviously likes having Nate around to hang with, but he also treats him like a puppy or something. Someone he can have fun with, and thinks is cute and all, but is able to talk down to or do pretty much whatever he wants with because he won't understand it, and he'll always eventually come back. He's also treated him like a pawn that can be manipulated easily and doesn't even care. CB had that isue earlier this season where chuck told Blair he knows how little respect she has for those she manipulates-I think the same goes for Chuck. They manipulate everyone, and I do think they have some respect for NS, but i don't think either B or C have as much respect for NS as they should as their bffs. Blair didn't blink an eye on selling Serena out when she felt the slightest bit turned on, and then she just expected S to accept it, Chuck can have the same attitude with Nate. Now I'm not saying CB are horrible freinds to NS, but they are very flawed as well, and I'm tired of that being totally ignored and people only focusing on N/S's flaws in the friendships.
I think one problem is people have way to high expectations for CN and how N should act at this point that they'll never get it so it'll never be enough. Nate's personality is very laid back and he tries to show others respect in the way he wants, to be given space and time to figure things out on their own, and than if they come to him he'd be willing to help. Chuck is a meddler, that's part of his personality, so yeah he's going to step in and help Nate (even when Nate doesn't want it) whereas Nate won't do that as much, but that is not necissarily indicative of Chuck being a great friend and Nate not-it speaks to their personalites, how they see things, and how the behave in general not just in their friendship. Honestly, my bff and I see things very very differently and I still have to clue her in to how I need her to help me in certain situations, cause the way she tries to do it does nothing to help me-does that mean I think she's a bad bff cause she see and reacts to things different and there is sometimes discrepancies on what we think each other needs? No, of course not. And for the record, Nate was there for Chuck during Bart's funeral. That episode it was both NB that were there for Chuck (Serena was the one that was glaringly missing becasue of the whole choosing Dan over Chuck crap) but Nate helped bring him to the funeral, and he was there afterwards looking after him with Blair at the gathering. But he once again expressed the idea of giving him space when he kept pushing them away, cause that's genuinely what Nate thought Chuck needed. And that also served the purpose of letting Blair be the one to be there for him, just like its probably going to serve the purpose next episode as indicated by the sneak peek. Nate has every freaking right to be pissy with Chuck right now over what he did to Blair. He cares about Blair a lot, and Chuck put her through a lot of emotional pain that he clearly sees. And he's not saying Chuck is a horrible person, he's saying what he did was horrible-and I think he's so upset about it because it is Chuck, his bestie. His bff just did something really horrible to someone he claims to love more than anything. That's dissapointing. Nate knows Chuck can be better than that, if he didn't think that he wouldn't be as pissed about it. And I don't get the argument that if Nate hates Chuck so much () that he should just move out and cut him off completely. Umm if Nate did react in that more extreme way wouldn't people be crying crappy friend even more? The fact that Nate is still there and interacting with him is showing that he is trying with him, but he's not ready to just be fine and dandy with what Chuck did yet, and he's making that clear. Nate's line to Chuck about having the time of his life, I really don't think Nate was just being oblvious (as everyone likes to think) but I thought that liine was rather sarcastic, implying that there Chuck was whinning about not having Blair anymore when he was sitting around playing with whores and getting high when he should have been out tring to find a way to make it up to Blair. Nate's not one to sit around an angst and cotempate things over and over again the way Chuck is, so he's not going to get Chuck's longer process of internal torture angsting. Nate is a man of action, and he wasn't seeing Chuck take action to rectify the horriblness that he did and says he's sorry for. He wants Chuck to be better, he has expecations for him because he truly believes he can meet them. But he still hung out with him because they are besties-not because Nate is flaky, or doesn't care, or is mooching off of chuck.
...And that turned into a long, rambling rant, heh. Sorry i'm just really really tired of it.

Oh yeah, actions definetly speak louder than words. Especially with a personality type like Nate, that's truly how they express themselves moreso than fumbling around with words. I think its amusing that people would be feeling the need for Nate to be the one to say I love you and express himself, when before everyone was so concerned about Serena being the one to do so I think they did it this way for that reason, they're putting NS on more even footing and are using these episodes to explore Serena's feelings more. I don't think Nate has to say it at all, I think if anyone questioned he really loved her that would just be....well stupid. Its so clear, the writers haven't put any ambiguity there for it to even be in question. Yes he's only ever said it in past tense, but its clear (to the audience and Serena) that he loved her than yes, and he definetly still loves her now. And yeah, having he say ILY too in 315 would have been nice, but this way they are spreading NS out more, they're giving them time and build like we've so desperately wanted. Seperating things like that gives us more time for building to them, and gives more beautiful scenes opposed to just one and than moving on. I'm sure we'll hear him say ILY sometime coming up, I have absolutely no worry about that lol

Awesomesauce! Yay to that being offical now, brain-buddy
It will be interesting to see the first interaction between Nate/William, cause they'll have a slight memory/awareness of each other from before he left, but not much, it'll be interesting to see how its played-if they'll reference this at all or just focus on the meeting and Nate starting to get icky vibes from him or something, I'd like it though if they had a nice moment before that started. lol

Oh I really like Daddy VdW so far too. I'm sure he'll be all kinds of shady, and I do think that gray character part is going to be a heavy push and pull throughout the next episodes, but I don't think he'll be totally evil like other guest starts, but he very well may go out with a really horrible bang cliffhanger at the end of the season and season 4 the reprecussions will have to be dealt with with him and the family.


See this is what makes me leary of her saying that to her Dad opposed to Rufus. I totally get her childhood fantasy of wanting to see her parents together and all, its just that coming immedately off of the J thing, and her still being upset about it in this episode it sounds odd for her to encourage it. Although maybe somehow these two things will play into each other, maybe that's why there's still a focus on the SJ tension, to go along with Daddy wanting to steal Lilly thing. Maybe Serena will all blinded by Daddy tell him to go for it, but than SJ have a few rounds and she re-realizes how much it bothered her that someone tried to step into her relationship, and so she realizes she shouldn't encourage Daddy in that particular way. Likely though once she's realized this its to late to turn things around and Daddy will be full steam ahead on messing with RL lol

We really are And I love it. this has become such a good place for us

I really don't get the Scott spec Its so out there, and has no foundation at all, everything we know goes against anything like that happening Besides even if Scott did turn up and randomly declare he wasn't Rufus's son I really don't think that'd change anything for DS. They did not break-up because of RL or Scott, those were just additional factors to way down their already sinking relationship that they were barely holding together, what broke them up was the fact they just simply didn't care enough to keep that relationship a float. If they really wanted to they could be together while RL were together (which they did try to do, and RL were in support of the attempt so they wouldn't stand in their way) and when they broke up they thought Scott was dead, so they didn't think they had a step-sibling between them, so that wasn't a reason of their break-up. They broke up because the relationship didn't work anymore, and they acknowledged that. I honestly think that they spent most of season 2 yearning for the relationship they had before their break-up in seaon one, and even when they got back together that's what they still wished for, but they eventually realized that they just couldn't go back to that, that relationship was dead.
And yeah, there is no way that RL are ever going to seperate for long. They'll for sure have their drama but RL is equal (if not more so) for endagme as CB are. No matter how much some people don't like them, how much some people try to blame their couple's problems on them, they ain't go anywhere
And yeah, if Vanessa does leave this coming episode than he's going to have to be pretty occupied with that-plus he probably has a small part obviously with the family stuff, like the phone call with Rufus, its probably just getting his foot in the door for the next episodes while his main focus will be Vanessa. Then the last two episodes, with her gone, will have him free to deal with Nate/Daddy VdW/Gorgenia ect. So yeah it does seem like he'll be mainly involved for the last two episodes

Seriously, after last episode I'm feeling more confident about them than ever before. Bring on the haters and arguments-seriously, haters or devil's advicates, I don't care, I feel so ready to take on any argument against NS at this point. I've been listening to haters and skeptics and as time has gone each argument has gotten blown out of the water. They are getting reduced to ridiculous claims and grasping at straws, and we have solid standing from the show canon. You want to hate for bias reasons, fine, like your couple, be jealous or whatever, but call it as it is and don't try to make it seem rationale that for those things because of negative agruments against NS, its just funny at this point.

Wala, I'll do the oppisite of shooting you, I'll hug ya Positivity and optimism are some of my favorite things, always good to have that spreading around

RL cover the whole two worlds coming together aspect, and I don't care how much people like them or, they do it way better than DS ever did. They've made it through all that time and stuff inbetween them, and they do well to connect the characters, so they're definetly not going to seperate them.
And like I said above, DS is not done because of Scott or RL, so even though those are icky tacked on factors that can be used against them, when it comes down to it DS aren't together because they aren't in love anymore. Simple fact. Yes, they were a big part of the show before, but they also ran their course and were run into the ground. I expect there to be some teasing of DS in interviews and maybe even some subtle hints in the show, especially at the end of the season-because its to keep those fans here or bring them back. If fans think they have no hope, they leave, they don't want that so they will string fanbases along to a certain extent, always waxing on about how options are still open-that's the name of the game with these kinds of shows and fandoms.

I hear you on this Ale Honestly, they should just call that the CB SS thread and be done with it. Its how I see it now. That's the only way I can kinda handle being in there, I just assume its supposed to be all focused on CB and only have tad bits of attentino to other things. I totally understand anyone just wanting to be here, I really have made this thread my home lately cause its amazing and cause other places can be so tiring with drama, or frustrating with craziness. This place is always so filled with awesomeness, it always me happy I must me a mashanist, or it feels that way sometimes, cause I still go through that thread-but I've adopted tatcis of survival (so Keri's head won't explode): major skiming, and only focusing on a few select posters posts There are some great people in there, and some awesome convo so that's probably why it can be hard to completely let go of, the problem is that that stuff has become such a rare jem amongst alot of crazy and frustration But that's why I'm glad we've brought over spoilers into the OP and this is my unoffoical SS NS thread It makes life better