Fan Forum - View Single Post - Gilmore Girls S&S #167 ~ We Love Logan's Buns

blaab · 02-23-2007, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by caf123 (View Post)

Point. The irony is that it led to Lorelai's ruin after Rory left home, when her daughter is on the verge of graduating and going out to conquer the world.

But the ghost of Rory's father returns and destroys the independence, the moral center and the caring heart that propelled Lorelai so far over those 21 years - only to lose it all at the very end.

George, How does it benefit Lorelai to gain an 'empire' of worldly success and lose her soul?

We will always disagree on this ... I do not feel it led to Lorelai's ruin after Rory left home. The problem I have with a statement like that is that the source of what led to this what you call ´ruin´ was already seen in all the previous seasons before Rory went out on her own. We got to see what was so great about this relationship between Rory and Lorelai, but only after Rory ´left´ to live her own life or try to, it became even more obvious what was the negative of a relationship that close and dependant on each other. Makes sense it was not so obvious when they were still in a relationship like that ... living together and being able to depend on each other emotionally.

And about the independence, the moral center and the caring heart ... Lorelai is in many matters the kayak Emily spoke about and she has always remained that way, that never changed. I have never seen her independent when it came to the emotional matters though, because there was always Rory and well then Luke and after that Chris. The moral center, I think what became more and more obvious in the latest eps is why Lorelai did what she did. And again she never saw Chris the way you see him, so I think to say that her moral center changed based on how you feel, something the character Lorelai definitely seems to disagree with, is not something I can agree with. And if anything I have seen Lorelais caring heart, sure the woman has messed up on occasion, but Lorelai not having a caring heart is something I can never agree with. Yes, she might have hurt Luke incredibly with sleeping with Chris that night in Partings. But in her experience she was so hurt also. And I think in ep 14 in became very clear why Lorelai was in that relationship with Christopher and if anything it showed that she did care, does care and will always care about Christopher. And I believe there are so many others in her life that she loves very, very much.

Again, it seems that you claim Lorelai lost her soul based alone on her not feeling similarly about Christopher as you do. But again from Season 1 I have never seen her agree with how you feel about him. So in a way reasoning from what you stated Lorelai never had a soul to loose ... because she never had one. I disagree though ... she may mess up, she may freak and has run on occasion. But there was always soul and heart ... she might not have always known how to deal with certain emotions, but they were so obviously there. And the ironic thing (compared to how you feel) is that I have never seen Lorelai as mature and taking things on as she has in the last few eps. Chris admitting him pushing her into this relationship, but Lorelai taking her own part in this and not blaming it on him by saying she jumped (which I feel she did and I love that she took her own part in this). Her expressing how sorry she is and how much she really wanted this to work. Chris supporting her and letting her know, saying he does know. Both Chris and Lorelai learning a lot from this relationship. Learning some things that I feel will make it a lot easier for them both individually in the rest of their lives. Both taking responsibilty and ending this with closure, respect for the other ... I guess really talking about things can work out in a good way. Lorelai actually allowing to feel how she really feels in ep 14. Sure, it was painfull, but they dealt with it in a way that I really really loved. They faced the hurt and came out of it without blaming the other. That is something for Lorelai ... truely facing and experiencing her emotions. So she can then truely move on ...