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caf123 · 11-21-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lemon tart (View Post)

Thanks for the new thread, caf and the article, gjoni. I'm reposting something I put near the end of the last thread, I'm sure everyone will be thrilled!:

Hey, such a treatise deserves the exposure. lol.

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Well could not the same be said of Luke? Who had given up hunting, fishing and camping as his preferred hobbies and took up shopping for women's clothes?

He didn't give up those interests - and Lorelai encouraged him to pursue them, to have it all.

What's more to the point is how the show has failed to show us Logan's life outside of Rory, and for a long time, it failed to show much of Rory's life apart from Logan. This doesn't mean those lives didn't happen. But for a TV show, it loses impact when viewers don't see, experience, or hear about it.

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However, I don't think Logan does or doesn't know Rory because he has or hasn't been to a festival or Luke's for coffee. Luke doesn't like festivals. What true impact does Kirk have on Rory's life, outside being an object for mocking? The only townie IMO that has had a real day to day impact on Rory's life is possibly Babette. Outside that Sookie & Luke are the only townspeople with a true relationship with her. He met and spent a weekend with Luke.

Actually, Rory grew up in Stars Hollow and her roots include relationships with most of the town. Plus, you're forgetting Lane. And Mrs. Kim. And Mia. Etc.

When a child interacts daily with people for many years, at the very least, they have a formative influence on her.

It's regrettable that the writers haven't bothered to let Logan visit SH except when he turned to Lorelai for help. You don't need to meet your boyfriend/girlfriend's family and friends or understand their past, but it adds a dimension of understanding.

Besides, as someone posted last night, that would be classic Gilmore Girls. Something that's in scant supply these days.

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All those other people he could go to a single festival or Luke's and get the full effect and never have to come back. Yes, these are people that care about Rory, and who looked after her, but most did not have a massive day-to-day impact on her life. That's Lorelai's life. Just like Luke didn't have to do more than spend a day with Richard or evening with Emily or Richard & Emily to see where Lorelai came from. In the end that is their life, the one they chose, not the one Lorelai did. Getting to know that side of Lorelai is the same as Logan getting to know that side of Rory, it's about where she came from, not necessairly where she's going or who she's choosing to be as a person. Those are Lorelai's choices. Or in the case of Emily & Richard, the life she rejected.

As Rory also rejected that life, after trying it a year ago.

Stars Hollow was obviously Lorelai's choice - Rory was a mere babe at the time. But how can you say they looked after her and, in the same breath, claim they "didn't have a massive day-to-day impact on her life"?

Until age 16, Rory's entire day-to-day life was in Stars Hollow. She didn't only sleep there, she lived there, all day. She went to school there.

Responding to the rest of your treatise, oops, post

: You're right that Logan hasn't insisted he can't stand Paris. He's quite tolerant of most people. But that one scene of Paris and Logan together rocked. It's wasted chemistry (not romantic chemistry, just basic acting chemistry). It would be good to see more.

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So Rory's ingenuity in getting all those people back to the paper that had quit, getting them organized and motivated, Logan included, didn't count? The only thing Logan did was make sure all of those people's work, and Rory's efforts, didn't go for naught. Before that he was pitching in just like everyone else, not being a Huntzberger, just a regular staffer.....

I think the problem is that we've had so few scenes where Rory is actually doing something while Logan is in the picture.

I'd agree that he doesn't hold her back. And perhaps - because their relationship still leaves me meh - I'd feel more invested in it if we did see Rory-Logan scenes that weren't merely about their relationship but bothered to show them both getting on with their lives while in that relationship.

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Lorelai's choices have led her to where she's ended up. She's known Luke for a decade. He's been in love with her that entire time. Had she had any desire to really let love into her life she could have been with Luke at a much younger age. That her biological clock is beginning to clang is a product of that choice. Not really even the Luke v Chris one. It's because Lorelai cut herself from building a life with someone she's now in this massive hurry.

THAT is the real choice Lorelai made along the way.

The real choice Lorelai made was to put raising her daughter first, in front of all else. And in that, she succeeded.

This is part of why it's so hard to watch the writers repeatedly throw up any old obstacle to her finding personal happiness while the show is still live.

Wherever L&L's individual "journeys" lead, however small or even large the crumb that DSR drops in 722 - we will never see or understand the fabric of their relationship. We know what it was in the past. If DSR wants to change or teach them lessons, then we'll have new and improved characters - HOW do they relate? WHAT is the nature of that relationship? Beyond the obvious fact that they still love each other, this is now something we'll never know.

Lorelai prioritised Rory, the writers are doing the same - we'll probably get a better glimpse of Rory's future than Lorelai's.

This would be less frustrating if the show hadn't once pretended it would take that next step. Viewers built up interest in a story that will remain forever untold.